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hartiberlin

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #270 on: October 15, 2009, 02:22:28 AM »
Ali wrote to me:

   
Stefan,
I am settled in my new lab better equiped and have developed some advance version of genie once I will complete this part I will apply for over unity price
Ali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #271 on: October 15, 2009, 03:16:02 AM »
Sounds great lets hope thats the way its gonna go.
Thanks for heads up Stefan.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #272 on: October 15, 2009, 12:00:56 PM »
That'll be the day....in a hopefully good way!  ;)

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #273 on: October 15, 2009, 01:22:34 PM »
Thats WONDERFUL Stefan.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for all of the Hard Work you have done on Overunity to bring the best inventions and inventors forward.




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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #274 on: October 15, 2009, 01:51:13 PM »
That would mean Ali would go open source?
Well Ali is at least testing our patience....

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #275 on: October 15, 2009, 03:30:00 PM »
I'm wondering. Maybe there is a possibility to charge electrolytic capacitor without consuming current. Just do it much faster then relaxation time as explains Bearden ? What do you think ?

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #276 on: October 15, 2009, 04:08:38 PM »
There is no chance in the entire universe that capacitors can be charged without consuming current.

I'm wondering. Maybe there is a possibility to charge electrolytic capacitor without consuming current. Just do it much faster then relaxation time as explains Bearden ? What do you think ?

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #277 on: October 15, 2009, 05:58:44 PM »
Current is not consumed. It is only slushed about.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #278 on: October 15, 2009, 10:02:34 PM »
em devices:
i do understand that SMPS (switching mode power supplies DC converters) in computers, badly effect power factor thats why  the european union put a ban on chinese power supplies until and unless they are properly certified for PF close to 0.9 min. when a PF changes meter reading go faster because realpower = V * I /pf for example if voltages are 220 ad current is 1 amp the power is 220 watt when pf is 1 now if pf is 0.5
lets see what happens  real power = 220 *1 /0.5 = 440 watts so if pf is changed you will pay more not less and pf more then one is not possible

if PF is low power companies become in trouble coz then they have to transfer more current to meet the real power then apparent power so they put penalties if power factor is below 0.8

i am an ex proffessor from  an engineering university and have very clear vision of electronics and mechnical systems
220 volt coil in meter is parallel connected called activator magnet it can only make path for magnetic field so if there is no load it won't coz movement on disk even voltages are applied
current coil is called multiplier so disk only move when current flows so in this way it acts as power = V* I


what is siphon
if you want to get some fuel out of motor bike tank you put a pipe in it and suck it from other end then the fuel will start flowing to a lower destination but it will fly up in pipe for transition time this is called siphon i have develop this method in electronics and handling current in this way.
amazingly i got success my concepts are different from all other people working in this area

i have some other inventions as well but will show them after the successful trials of this one.
Ali 
realpower = V * I/pf. I must say that this is not true. Correct formulas are following
apparent power = V * I
realpower = V * I * pf, where pf = cos(fi), fi is phase angle between current and voltage.
reactive power = V * I * sin(fi)

V and I are rms values of current and voltage.

I must agree with EMdevices that you get charged only for real power. This is how it function in slovak & czech republic and I think also in another countries. According to law PF must be in range <0.95;1>. This is particularly important for big electricity consumers. If their powerfactor is less then 0.95, they can be charged up to 50 million czech korunas which is almost 2 million euros! I think that similar law is established in Slovak republic because we lived many years in common state.
That throws bad light on winsonali and his "expert" knowledges.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #279 on: October 15, 2009, 11:19:00 PM »
Jan, can you explain the brighter lamp bulbs with power factor?

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #280 on: October 16, 2009, 02:15:02 AM »
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"I must agree with EMdevices that you get charged only for real power. This is how it function in slovak & czech republic and I think also in another countries. According to law PF must be in range <0.95;1>. This is particularly important for big electricity consumers. If their powerfactor is less then 0.95, they can be charged up to 50 million czech korunas which is almost 2 million euros! I think that similar law is established in Slovak republic because we lived many years in common state.
That throws bad light on winsonali and his "expert" knowledges."

No, it throws bad light on your knowledge, you may want to research power factor. In power plant operations reactive loads are not a real issue as electronics handle any corrections and the reactive load is spread over a large area of consumption--the power grid. Medium and light consumers (you) however can have drastic reactive load swings locally, every time an inductive load comes on line the power factor changes drastically. An average installation may have a steady PF near 0.8-0.95 however if any motor,transformer etc... comes on line the PF goes to 0.4-0.6, I know this as fact as I spend many hours near industrial electronic power monitoring equipment. Ali is also perfectly correct in stating cheap DC/DC converts have a horrific PF and I have seen measured efficiencies near 50%. There is also the "dirty power" issue due to poorly designed (cheap) input power sections on electronics and the large scale move from transformers to DC/DC buck/boost converters. This dirty power is basically harmful high frequency RF(radio frequency) which can turn most of your house wiring into a low power short range RF transmitter, again I measured my house for RF and I know this as fact.
Maybe you newbies should check your facts first,lol.
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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #281 on: October 16, 2009, 10:13:53 AM »
I insist on my previous assertion, that Ali used incorrect formula. Check some textbook about electric power, wattmeters and so on.

realpower = V * I/pf this is what Ali has written. If this was true, then purely reactive element, for example high quality capacitor, should have realpower approaching infinity:

realpower = V * I/cos(90) = infinity!!!

This is obviously not true, because capacitor as purely reactive element has zero realpower:

realpower = V * I * cos(90) = 0

This is correct formula.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #282 on: October 16, 2009, 10:24:14 AM »
No, it throws bad light on your knowledge, you may want to research power factor. In power plant operations reactive loads are not a real issue as electronics handle any corrections and the reactive load is spread over a large area of consumption--the power grid. Medium and light consumers (you) however can have drastic reactive load swings locally, every time an inductive load comes on line the power factor changes drastically. An average installation may have a steady PF near 0.8-0.95 however if any motor,transformer etc... comes on line the PF goes to 0.4-0.6, I know this as fact as I spend many hours near industrial electronic power monitoring equipment. Ali is also perfectly correct in stating cheap DC/DC converts have a horrific PF and I have seen measured efficiencies near 50%. There is also the "dirty power" issue due to poorly designed (cheap) input power sections on electronics and the large scale move from transformers to DC/DC buck/boost converters. This dirty power is basically harmful high frequency RF(radio frequency) which can turn most of your house wiring into a low power short range RF transmitter, again I measured my house for RF and I know this as fact.
Maybe you newbies should check your facts first,lol.
Regards
AC

I agree with you that PF is not always near 1 in typical household, but its impossible by compensating PF get your electricity meter slow down. If this would possible then shops would be full of “magic” boxes that can reduce your billing by several tens percent. I dont know about something like this happening.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #283 on: October 16, 2009, 02:59:46 PM »
Yes I agree he used a wrong formula, nothing to argue about there. It's kind of strange that he made such a basic mistake.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #284 on: October 16, 2009, 05:37:21 PM »
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I agree with you that PF is not always near 1 in typical household, but its impossible by compensating PF get your electricity meter slow down. If this would possible then shops would be full of “magic” boxes that can reduce your billing by several tens percent. I dont know about something like this happening.
Most often the difference between the possible and impossible amounts to nothing more than knowledge and understanding. Inductance acts like the mass on a pendulum displaying the property of momentum. Do a little experiment for me and yourself. Attach a mass(inductance) in between two springs(capacitance) or elastic bands then attach one end of this apparatus to a wall or doorknob. Now, hold the other end of the spring and start pulling and releasing the spring so that your pull/release is in time with the motion of the mass, this is resonance---note the frequency of your pull/release. Now double the weight of the mass and try it again, you will find the frequency has changed. In order to keep the frequency at it's original value of the smaller mass you will have to pull harder and faster on the larger mass---extra work. The power grid in North America is locked at 60Hz so you cannot change the frequency, when inductive loads are attached that are not resonant at 60Hz extra work(current) is required just like in our little experiment. Instead of doing extra work you can change the stiffness of your springs(capacitance) to compensate for a changing mass(inductance), the resonant frequency of the load can then be matched to that of the source (resonance), this is PF of 1. The reason few people utilize PF correction equipment is because it involves high power/high speed electronics usually, this is very expensive. The fact of the matter is most people are ignorant to the facts or they just don't give a damn, ask your self why almost nobody here understands what PF is or how it works? I have one simple rule----- If I don't understand something--anything, I research and experiment until I do. Very simple concept.
Regards
AC