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the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #210 on: September 27, 2009, 05:08:30 AM »
See in the attachament un true motionless electric generator. The inventions is from 1975 and there a lot of documents to be posted about this, but they are bigger than 300 or 1100 Kb...
@Lucian Stefan
You're quite correct in what you claim for the invention in the PDF.
The inventor(s) were French, and what others had analyzed was that iron was being transmuted to a different isotope with surplus electrons being harvested.
I would have to search for the Internet reference, which was old.

Re-edit, try this:

http://www.rexresearch/meyernmr/meyer.htm
(This will give you more information than the post above.  It worked the first time I tried it, but the second time, Comcast gave my an error that 'rexresearch' had an unknown page.  The correct address was still on the browser address bar and it worked.)

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gyulasun

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #211 on: September 27, 2009, 10:32:44 AM »

Re-edit, try this:

http://www.rexresearch/meyernmr/meyer.htm
(This will give you more information than the post above.  It worked the first time I tried it, but the second time, Comcast gave my an error that 'rexresearch' had an unknown page.  The correct address was still on the browser address bar and it worked.)

--Lee

Hi Lee,

From your above link, the .com suffix is missing from the rexresearch's end.

Here is it again, correctly: http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm

rgds, Gyula

powercat

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #212 on: September 27, 2009, 11:13:47 AM »
Hi Gyula & Lee
Are you guys saying that this document contains the secret of how Ali's device works ?

Unfortunately Google translator was unable to translate the document.
 
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gyulasun

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #213 on: September 27, 2009, 11:40:14 AM »
Hi Gyula & Lee
Are you guys saying that this document contains the secret of how Ali's device works ?

Unfortunately Google translator was unable to translate the document.
 
cat

hi cat,

From my part, no I am not saying that. I don't know yet how Ali's device works.

I think Lucian Stefan just wanted to show what HE thinks to be THE  motionless electric generator, that is all. I chimed in only to correct the mistake in the url link Lee showed.
Here is a link on learning some more on the Meyer (French inventor) device:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4333.0

rgds, Gyula

EDIT: Google cannot translate text which is included in a picture embedded in a html or similar web page, this is the reason.
However if you look at the Meyer patent at the European Patent Office, then there is a free machine translation service there.  See this link leading to the Description part of the FR2680613 patent text:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=FR&NR=2680613A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=19930226&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP  and if you click on the yellow icon  'Translate this text' , then you will receive the computer translation English text from the French one in a newly opening page.  Similarly, other French patents involved here can also be translated this way.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #214 on: September 27, 2009, 11:43:28 AM »
Hi,

I know the content of rex research file, because... I posted it there.
You can find there also an old article of "Science et Vie" no.700/Jan. 1976 (when Michel Meyer was 22 Yo.). In the experiments described there he used copper as extraction material with the apparently efficiency of 30-40 and the real efficiency less than 10^-6.
There are also another documents and studies about the same principle.

In the attachament, the cover of Science et Vie no. 700/January 1976, the interesting article at pag.42-45, at "Physique" box.

powercat

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #215 on: September 27, 2009, 12:03:42 PM »
@@ Lucian Stefan
can you please be more accurate and specific with the information you post

can you only post information related to this thread and ideally in English.
If you read through this thread you would have noticed the inventor Ali  has said that he uses no coils in his invention.
 Please only post relevant information to this thread

cat

Lucian Stefan

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #216 on: September 27, 2009, 12:11:26 PM »
Hi, Cat

the coils are not moving parts ; a device with coils is also "motionless"...

I hope.

powercat

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #217 on: September 27, 2009, 12:28:48 PM »
Hi Lucian Stefan
Ali said his invention has no coils, moving or not moving ,he said no coils

 I am only trying to keep this thread on topic.
Anyway it is looking like your information is going down well on another thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8073.msg202494;topicseen#msg202494

 so please if you can figure out how Ali's device works let us know your thoughts  ;)

cat

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #218 on: September 27, 2009, 12:48:14 PM »
hi cat,

From my part, no I am not saying that. I don't know yet how Ali's device works.

I think Lucian Stefan just wanted to show what HE thinks to be THE  motionless electric generator, that is all. I chimed in only to correct the mistake in the url link Lee showed.
Here is a link on learning some more on the Meyer (French inventor) device:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4333.0

rgds, Gyula

EDIT: Google cannot translate text which is included in a picture embedded in a html or similar web page, this is the reason.
However if you look at the Meyer patent at the European Patent Office, then there is a free machine translation service there.  See this link leading to the Description part of the FR2680613 patent text:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=FR&NR=2680613A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=19930226&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP  and if you click on the yellow icon  'Translate this text' , then you will receive the computer translation English text from the French one in a newly opening page.  Similarly, other French patents involved here can also be translated this way.

Thank's Gyula
Having read the translation  my understanding of it still leaves a lot to be desired :P

It has been a while since we heard from Ali, I hope all is good with him 

cat

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #219 on: September 27, 2009, 02:44:30 PM »
I have seen the video of Ali- in the first post made by Cat.

Now I have to see the scheme "so I can pronounce a verdict".
His device has two supply cables- one (white cable) which supply the panel with lamps, and one which goes under the table in the left side. The device has three capacitors and electric resistance. Ali pretend that the device generates a supplement of energy...
Well, the energy is not an abstract thing- there are several forms of energy. First of all- we have to determine THE SOURCE and THE FORM OF ENERGY. The so-called "O.U. devices" are in most cases collectors of free energy,- from vacuum, from atmosphere (the free electric charges), from soil and atmosphere, from the electric charges which drives in the molecular structure of the extraction material, etc, etc. I don't see what could be the supplementary SOURCE in case of Ali.
I see a capacitors device conected through two cables, which apparently make a supplement of power in the circuit. I don't like how the scene was filmed, the camera operator of shooting avoiding to show all the scene from appropriate distance, not only the table surface at the same angle. The circuits with capacitors could make impulses of voltage, but for supplementary power IT NEED TO BE a supplementary source, doesn't matter what kind of source- the vacuum, the cosmic radiation, the solar wind, the free electric charges from air and soil, the "maverick" electrons inside the molecules, etc. Moreover, Ali doesn't describe clear the circuit he used- so, we cannot know if this device has or not coils; if it has electric resistences or fuses, to be sure it has windings (coils).
I post the informations about Michel Meyer because his device is not a fake, it is explained scientifically and could give at output 30-40 more power than it consumes. The Meyer converter uses the property of atoms to be oscillating systems, the electrons (orbitals) being the oscillating parts of atom. Through resonance phenomenon, the atoms eliberates electrons- so it appears a supplementary flow of electrons and hence additional power. The principle was been tested by another independent persons in another countries, including Romania.

I did only some remarks on the film shown by Ali - I'm waiting the scheme to see the work principle and to determine THE SOURCE of additional energy.

markdansie

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #220 on: September 27, 2009, 03:04:46 PM »
@Lucian
Just to clear up some confusion you said:
"The type of Moraru Engine which I have "replicated" , produces 117 times more energy than it consumes, and my model is not the most improved made by Moraru... "
Then in a latter post you said you diD not measure your device with instruments?

Just for your information , Ali has generously allowed his device to be tested by a qualified physicist and electrical engineer who are assisting him with advice and accurate measurements. This is a testament to Ali's belief and honesty. I am wondering given your statements above if you would be willing to have your device tested? I might add that Ali has been offered support by many good people and so far no one has attempted to suppress the technology.

Once again markdansie@bigpond.com

Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #221 on: September 27, 2009, 03:25:57 PM »
There is no confusion. Somebody asked me if the Moraru magnetic motor has been tested by an independent person, I'd answered "no", but "I have nou doubt BECAUSE EVEN WITHOUT ANY CONTROL APPARATUS IS CLEAR that the Moraru engine generates more than it consumes". That's what I've said...
Nicolae Moraru was been inventor and scientist, professional research-engineer. About Ali, I not wish to delete your hopes or your private beliefs. Assuming that there is an invention, if Mr. Ali wish to publish his invention, he is free to do it. Ask him his wonder device and you'll have the O.U., isn't it ? Simple.
Moraru Magnetic Engine is not to be published; Nicolae Moraru didn't published, I keep his desire. The only public patent is the RO 109405 and I have already post it.

markdansie

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #222 on: September 27, 2009, 03:54:34 PM »
@Lucian,
Hi, firstly my appollogies for not expressing myself well.
I was referring to your replication. Are you willing to have that tested ?

Your Quotes:
"For me, it is simple to use their documents and my small demonstration device.
"The type of Moraru "Engine which I have "replicated"

In the case of Ali, time will tell, but at least he is working with others on establishing correct measuring procedures.
Kind Regards
Mark

teslaalset

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #223 on: September 27, 2009, 03:55:24 PM »
Although Ali mentioned he is not using any coils, transformers or magnets, if you look to electrolytical capacitors they are not ideal capacitors.
They have a resonance frequency at several 10KHz where they act as very low resistors. e.g. a few tens of an ohm.
An example of a replacement diagram for these capacitors is attached.
The leakage resistor is normally a few 10K ohm, which is bypassed in case resonance.
The coil value is normally a few tens of nanoHenries

Since it looks like Ali uses 3 big electrolytical capacitors, there will be three different frequencies that correspond to these three capacitors, due to tolerances. Maybe he uses this some how.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2009, 04:35:29 PM by teslaalset »

tagor

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #224 on: September 27, 2009, 06:33:57 PM »
Hi,

I know the content of rex research file, because... I posted it there.
You can find there also an old article of "Science et Vie" no.700/Jan. 1976 (when Michel Meyer was 22 Yo.). In the experiments described there he used copper as extraction material with the apparently efficiency of 30-40 and the real efficiency less than 10^-6.
There are also another documents and studies about the same principle.

In the attachament, the cover of Science et Vie no. 700/January 1976, the interesting article at pag.42-45, at "Physique" box.

you can read this article here ( in french )

http://franckvallee.free.fr/localhost/plain/content/download/137/535/file/Science%20&%20vie.PDF

i spoke a lot on this in this thread , in french

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4744.msg99000#msg99000

but in this thread , in english

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1310.msg93301#msg93301


a lot of replicators , but ...
nothing ... no OU ...