Author Topic: New invention of motion less generation of electric power (Read 350951 times)

wattsup · « **Reply #150 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:49:40 AM »

@gotoluc

Regarding the diagram you put up, shouldn't the output bulbs be in series given his higher voltage?

gotoluc · « **Reply #151 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:26:33 AM »

Quote from: wattsup on September 10, 2009, 12:49:40 AM

@gotoluc

Regarding the diagram you put up, shouldn't the output bulbs be in series given his higher voltage?

Yes, I thought of that wattsup but wanted to keep it simple for now. However, this could be one way he could deal with the higher voltage output but we don't know what voltage rating his switching Capacitors can handle, so better stick with what works for him.

Luc

robbie47 · « **Reply #152 on:** September 10, 2009, 10:48:58 AM »

Just a thought: has Ali's technique something in common with the testla switch method?
Instead of the batteries, 3 capacitors and a power source are applied?

Some corresponding text from PesWiki:

'Classic' Tesla Switch

The Tesla Switch creates a pulsed current flow between four 12v, Lead-acid batteries in an array (in the anticipated system, three such arrays operate together, or 12 batteries in all). Through some mechanism of radiant energy entrainment, net energy is captured within the battery system in this process. The rate of entrainment charging adjusts itself to the external load being drawn from the batteries; the greater the discharge to load, the faster external energy is captured from the active vacuum. The switching rate also determines the rate of charge, and must be kept in a range (20cps to 800cps, TBD) which, in relation to the [then] load, does not damage the batteries from excessive charge

_{N.B. I am not saying the Tesla switch is proven technology}

Another interesting site on tesla switches by John Bedini: http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html
Maybe I am wrong but I see some similarity with Ali's siphon explanation as well with one of Bedini's pictures from that site

spoondini · « **Reply #153 on:** September 10, 2009, 03:13:02 PM »

The concept of the electricity 'siphon' has been twirling in my head for about 3 years now. It's what brought me to this board in the first place.

Amazing to see that someone has potentially materialized the concept, exactly when I found the overunity board. Serendipity.

Hat's off to you Ali!

lltfdaniel1 · « **Reply #154 on:** September 10, 2009, 03:44:59 PM »

Quote from: robbie47 on September 10, 2009, 10:48:58 AM

Just a thought: has Ali's technique something in common with the testla switch method?
Instead of the batteries, 3 capacitors and a power source are applied?

Some corresponding text from PesWiki:

'Classic' Tesla Switch

The Tesla Switch creates a pulsed current flow between four 12v, Lead-acid batteries in an array (in the anticipated system, three such arrays operate together, or 12 batteries in all). Through some mechanism of radiant energy entrainment, net energy is captured within the battery system in this process. The rate of entrainment charging adjusts itself to the external load being drawn from the batteries; the greater the discharge to load, the faster external energy is captured from the active vacuum. The switching rate also determines the rate of charge, and must be kept in a range (20cps to 800cps, TBD) which, in relation to the [then] load, does not damage the batteries from excessive charge

_{N.B. I am not saying the Tesla switch is proven technology}

Another interesting site on tesla switches by John Bedini: http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html
Maybe I am wrong but I see some similarity with Ali's siphon explanation as well with one of Bedini's pictures from that site

Well all overunity systems share this method..it causes a water hammer cavity effect in the circuit and draws energy from the vaccum.

There have been people who shorted the circuit at the same time who got higher volts then that was used to power it.

tinu · « **Reply #155 on:** September 10, 2009, 08:26:15 PM »

Quote from: spoondini on September 10, 2009, 03:13:02 PM

The concept of the electricity 'siphon' has been twirling in my head for about 3 years now. It's what brought me to this board in the first place.

Amazing to see that someone has potentially materialized the concept, exactly when I found the overunity board. Serendipity.

Hat's off to you Ali!

How about the concept of RC time constant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC_time_constant) for a charging capacitor using a single diode, where R is the resistance of a diode in direct conduction (extremely small â€“fraction of Ohm) and C is probably several thousands micro-Farads?
How about the response of a mechanical device (power-meter) to the saw-tooth kind-of waveform when charging the said capacitor with momentarily current of maybe hundreds of amperes (current that decay very fast in comparison with the 50Hz which is the â€˜reference of the meterâ€™ by its design) and followed by a very large pause (during which the capacitor is slowly discharged onto a load with Rload of hundreds of Ohms - much larger that that of the diode, thus the time-constant is much larger; the power-meter sees no current during this time because the way setup works)?
How about the response of an ammeter designed for sinusoidal currents when facing the same kind of signal? (For practical purposes the signal may be treated as one with extremely low duty cycle if it helps picturing it; a guesstimate figure for the duty cycle may be around 0.5-1%)

Regarding the replies following the second movie, I vote for a bulb in series with the â€œgenieâ€. Or even better, a (non-electronic) ballast used in fluorescent lamps that is already built as a nice coil designed for limiting current in 50Hz and that comes in various available sizes.
Definitely the voltage is what is said to be. But current is very far from it.
Probably even a 50A rapid fuse may reveal surprises.

Best regards,
Tinu

hartiberlin · « **Reply #156 on:** September 11, 2009, 01:08:45 AM »

Hi Ali,
I have seen your new video and it is great !

Would you like to apply for the overunity price and thus open source
your invention ?

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #157 on:** September 11, 2009, 01:25:01 AM »

P.S: I guess the device is a voltage doubler with feedback circuit simular as Robbi has posted above
at :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7987.0;attach=37705

The questions remains, how exactly the 50 Hz sine output waveform is formed...

As it seems to use only 3 big caps I wonder how the switching is done, so it is getting
a feedback and a selfrunning 50 Hz oscillator this way ?

Well, if I should fake a video, the second video still leaves the possibility for a fake,
as one could fake the 12 Volts AC to DC converter this way to just have a 220 Volts cable inside
there and no 12 Volts power supply. ( well I guess we still suffer from the Mylow "bug")

So scopeshots would be needed to see all the details and as EMdevices correctly said,
the dimmer circuit could jam the ac current measurements.

Regards, Stefan.

winsonali · « **Reply #158 on:** September 11, 2009, 02:04:19 AM »

stefan ,
the video is very original and uncut , and there is nothing fake in it nor i want any money from any one as i mentioned previously i am burning my own fuel to reach the destination
nothing is fake i am bit silent right now coz concentrating on DC input and here is the first proper use of the genie , i will apply for the over unity price once i complete the device now i am more interested in completion of the device rather then talking....
note: pictures are modified for illustration purpose only not for any commercial purpose

hartiberlin · « **Reply #159 on:** September 11, 2009, 02:39:09 AM »

Hi Ali,
I wonder, why the output voltage is just 338 Volts as this
voltage is exactly the sqrt(2) value of 240 Volts AC from the UK,
(peak value the 50 Hz sine wave)
so it could also be the DC voltage from a bridge rectifier.
But ALI you say it is 50 Hz AC at the output ..
Hmm..
A Voltage multiplier would give only about 100 Volts from the 50 Hz dimmer
input you show, but how would this feedback then loop up and amplify up exactly to 338 Volts AC ?

This is puzzling me and as 338 Volts is exactly the peak value of the 240 Volts UK gridline
voltage, and I have seen a few diodes at the input circuit, I wonder,
if it is not just 338 Volts DC from the 3 caps ?

I would be pretty convinced if you would show us your
circuit powered by a 9 Volts transistor battery for 10 Minutes
running all these 3 output lamps, instead of the 12 Volts AC/DC adaptor...

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #160 on:** September 11, 2009, 02:53:09 AM »

If this circuit would be a fake it would work this way:

1. The 12 Volts AC/DC adaptor would be just a 240 Volts AC cable,
no transformer inside, so the power for the lamps could
be drawn through this cable.
This (hidden) input would go to a bridge rectifier which would
charge up 3 big caps to the peak value 338 Volts.

2. The claimed input cable from the dimmer circuit is
just a control voltage cable to switch a relay switch to put the
DC voltage power from the 3 caps onto the output cable.

3. What is also not shown is the dependence of the dimmer input voltage
to the output voltage. Normally, one would show, how the output voltage would
change, if the dimmer voltage is changed a bit, but this is not shown.
Only the fixed output voltage of 338 Volts is shown...

Hmmm....

So again,
after having Mylow faked his motor I would really wish
we could see this circuit NOT powered by a (not measured) 12 Volts AC/DC converter
but from a small 9 Volts transistor battery that could not run the 3 x 60 Watts lamps for so long...

winsonali · « **Reply #161 on:** September 11, 2009, 06:30:38 AM »

stefan look at the similarities

1 in first video the voltages from line coming were 220 when i reduce it to min value of dimmer i get it down to 30 volts that become 208~210 volts why the the sq doesn't work there? in first video

2 in 2nd video the voltages from line coming are 250 when i reduce it to min value of dimmer i get it down to 49 volts that becomes 338~341 volts

i have clearly mentioned that i need 30 volts in my circuit, if you multiply this by 7 you will get the same result 7 * 30 = 210(watch first video and look at multimeter its 208~214) and 7 * 49 = 343. the factorial in my circuit remain between 7 to 8.

so if some thing i am playing then why these similarities i have developed some thing with proper knowledge and designing capabilities

there are no relays in the circuit,no transformers as you put 12 volts, circuit starts working and zero crossing polarity checker section of the circuit start its operation this stage must be operative before input sampling voltages from dimmer.

coz circuit is not yet in its final stage we are using external 12 volts this is simple converter i was using with my wifi router from Netgear.

well i will not blame you for your comments and considering videos as fake, you are a human
every body has right to think in his own way
its just the matter of time with my own resources i will complete the device in proper product.

wish you best of luck

Ali

tinu · « **Reply #162 on:** September 11, 2009, 09:50:49 AM »

@ winsonali,

Hi again,

At a closer look I see the dimmer in the second movie is different from the one used in the first movie. (Well, I see the whole setup is different but apparently its parts are the same: power-meter, frequency-meter etc.)
Is it possible that during testing the genie, dimmers keep getting fried so in the second movie you felt a new&different /maybe more powerful/ dimmer shall be used?
If yes, is it possible that they fail due to excessive currents, as it results from my previous post?

Can you let us know what is the rated power of the dimmer(s) you use?
If the genie takes 150W or so and delivers in excess of 450W, can you use a dimmer rated at max 400W or less?

A DC version would be interesting but again, weâ€™d ran into â€œa la Bendiniâ€ (please do not correct

) issues regarding current spikes. So I suggest again introducing into the actual setup any kind of device-limiting-current series connected with â€œthe genieâ€, be it a mere bulb or ballast and/or the use of a low-power rated dimmer. It would take little efforts on your side to clear the issues about the real currents the genies draws from the mains, issues that Iâ€™ve raised last evening.

Best regards,
Tinu

hartiberlin · « **Reply #163 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:30:05 AM »

Hi Ali,
Thanks for the additional infos.
Why is your grid line voltage 250 Vots AC ? Did the UK recently raise the voltage to this level ?
Many thanks.

forest · « **Reply #164 on:** September 11, 2009, 03:02:49 PM »

Let me guess.. Charging capacitor one side to positive potential is like creating a syphon when there is a source of electrons on the other side sucked by induction.Bouncing electrons between caps poll electrons from power grid sometimes but sometimes they can flow from ground, not necessary from power grid connection... I read about something like that called D'Arsonval current.
Does it have any sense ?

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