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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16599987 times)

xenomorphlabs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14355 on: October 07, 2012, 05:48:26 AM »
And adding a lot of capacitors would be no mistake too. :)

The grounding question is this: DC needs a closed circuit to work. This is logical because the electrons in the wire are all moving in a circle due to a potential difference. Now why should AC also need a closed circuit to work? The electrons come from nowhere and they go to nowhere they are only vibrating in the wire.  But what can cause a strong vibration? Resonance, I think.

Kapanadze 28th April 2004 full version free energy device

At 24:33 Kapanadze pulls the plug, hence the inverter which provides the 50Hz frequency is cut off from the device instantaneously. Nevertheless the current flows through the lamps for another second. Question: What kind of current flows in that second through the lamps? AC or DC? I don't think it is DC since it was AC before the cut off. If the current is AC then at what frequency? 50Hz? From where? From the device (transformer) itself that is in a state of resonance for one more second without input?

An RLC circuit will continue to swap energy between L and C even after the source is disconnected until the stored energy is dissipated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLC_circuit -> τ = 2∏ f √(L x C)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC_time_constant -> Ï„ = R x C
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semenihin-77

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« Reply #14356 on: October 07, 2012, 08:44:35 AM »
I am looking for brains, to work on the scheme  :)

delamorto@mail.ru

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFn4nMRZoEg

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14357 on: October 07, 2012, 08:51:28 AM »
@all

@Peterae at overunityresearch dot com asked for some load specs so here is a small youtube showing these as well.

http://youtu.be/1CWWHKs3mzs

I hope some of you realize what this means relative to TK devices. Can it be so simple????

Tomorrow I will be adding a battery and an inverter and see how to loop it back. hehehe

Off to jam with friends "all night long". lolololololol

wattsup

Nice work. I would say that there is a way of theft of electricity, when the load, as in your experiment, one wire is connected to the phase and the other to ground (usually the water system as in a presentation of Kapanadze green box) Maybe this is the right way :D

This is something that anyone can check right now.

Do you want to experiment with this scheme?


jbignes5

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« Reply #14359 on: October 07, 2012, 03:43:20 PM »
Yes, exactly.
A mechanical DC ammeter is an averaging meter, and the average of a sine wave is zero.
At 50Hz the inertia of its needle does not allow it to move.

Go back to school Jbignes5 !!!
I am so sick of your illogic and loose mind.


 No you must forget what your school has taught you. You mean to tell me that an analogue meter is an averaging meter? So if there is a diode in there then whats the average of all positive pulses? Duh.. The one that needs to get back to the basics is you.. 3 posts and you are sick of my illogical observations? ??? Please...


 "DC Amp meter

A  amp meter is a simple amp meter. Direct current is measured through a resistor or shunt placed in line with the circuit. The voltage is measured across the shunt.

  AC Amp Meter

An AC amp meter is used in two ways. One AC amp meter uses a system similar to a DC amp meter. The only difference is that an AC amp meter uses a bridge diode instead of a regular shunt as a resistor to measure current. The bridge diode changes negative into positive current to facilitate calibration and measurement. This is called the direct AC amp meter. The other type of AC amp meter works by emitting an electromagnetic field. A coil around the wire will pick up the field and run it through a resistor or shunt and measure the voltage of the electric current. The voltage drives a needle to help read the measurements of the current. This is called an indirect amp meter. Some AC amp meters are moving iron type amp meters. The magnetic field is attracted by a piece of metal mounted at one end of a needle. This type of moving iron amp meter can work also with DC."

 Plus: if you actually read my post you will find that I said that 300k cycles is probably to fast for the analogue DC meter. But then again you don't pay attention. Reading is a virtue, Understanding is priceless.

 Second Plus: if you can get a real current to flow through a capacitor then you are a marvel to behold.

 I would have to look again at the video and see what that am meter uses as a shunt. If it is a diode which I believe it is then it would rectify half of the signal. The reason they use diodes is to make sure the needle doesn't swing in the other direction damaging the needle. But most meters use resistors so it remains to be seen. Again I have to reiterate that I will be using the correct meter unlike my example video.

 If that is illogical then YOU need to go back to school.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14361 on: October 07, 2012, 05:33:04 PM »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14362 on: October 07, 2012, 07:10:20 PM »
NEW AUDIO ..
KAPANADZE = GIA

THANKS , THANKS  ANONIMUS ......

http://yadi.sk/d/hF5EurFM048Mu

FORUM ...

www.realstrannik.ru/forum/44-freeenergylt/87845-poisk-se.html?limit=18&start=17262#88112


Can someone translate the audio file from russian to english???

jbignes5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14363 on: October 07, 2012, 07:35:23 PM »

 "DC Amp meter


A  amp meter is a simple amp meter. Direct current is measured through a resistor or shunt placed in line with the circuit. The voltage is measured across the shunt.


  AC Amp Meter


An AC amp meter is used in two ways. One AC amp meter uses a system similar to a DC amp meter. The only difference is that an AC amp meter uses a bridge diode instead of a regular shunt as a resistor to measure current. The bridge diode changes negative into positive current to facilitate calibration and measurement. This is called the direct AC amp meter. The other type of AC amp meter works by emitting an electromagnetic field. A coil around the wire will pick up the field and run it through a resistor or shunt and measure the voltage of the electric current. The voltage drives a needle to help read the measurements of the current. This is called an indirect amp meter. Some AC amp meters are moving iron type amp meters. The magnetic field is attracted by a piece of metal mounted at one end of a needle. This type of moving iron amp meter can work also with DC."


 Lets look at this again. The diode bridge does not transform the negative to the positive. It reroutes the positive to only one side of the channels or wires. AC works with two wires. When one is positive then the other is negative. The diode bridge just switches the positive to one wire constantly So In fact the output would be rippled DC. Put a smoothing cap in there and then you have filtered DC.


 So even this teaching paragraph is wrong at best. There is no way the diode could magically change positive into negative current. It just redirects the flows via diodes into a organized DC pulse wave.


 Hey maybe that is what is being used to trigger the transistors. ???

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14364 on: October 07, 2012, 10:43:12 PM »
No you must forget what your school has taught you.
I must not do any such thing. If I did, I would become like you. An abhorrent notion.

You mean to tell me that an analogue meter is an averaging meter?
Yes, every DC meter is an averaging meter, and most AC meter perform some type of averaging too.  The arithmetical mean, geometric mean or the RMS calculation or plain inertia are all averaging / integrating techniques performed by those AC meters.

The average of a sine wave will amount to zero over integer number of its cycles, irregardless how much you try to forget the math that you've been taught in school.

So if there is a diode in there then whats the average of all positive pulses?
A rectified sine wave is not a sine wave anymore, it is abs(sin(t)) - so don't change the subject. That does not work on me.

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« Reply #14365 on: October 07, 2012, 10:46:13 PM »
I am kind-of new to free energy investigation, and have been following with interest, and trying some basic testing of my own. I have noticed on some of the videos that the watt meters commonly used to measure home appliance output wattages were being used. I bought a couple of these to use on some transformer experiments that I was doing. (seemed like a slick and easy way to  measure input and output wattage at a glance). At first I thought that I had more output than input wattage. After further investigation I found discrepancies between  the appliance watt meter and a in-line watt meter.   NOTE:: below attachment.     I'm sure others with more experience have noticed this, but it kind-of surprised me ---- . This doesn't have anything to do with TK investigation directly, but I thought it might save some beginners (Like Me!!)   some time in the long run.   br549

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« Reply #14366 on: October 08, 2012, 12:22:32 AM »
I must not do any such thing. If I did, I would become like you. An abhorrent notion.
Yes, every DC meter is an averaging meter, and most AC meter perform some type of averaging too.  The arithmetical mean, geometric mean or the RMS calculation or plain inertia are all averaging / integrating techniques performed by those AC meters.

The average of a sine wave will amount to zero over integer number of its cycles, irregardless how much you try to forget the math that you've been taught in school.
A rectified sine wave is not a sine wave anymore, it is abs(sin(t)) - so don't change the subject. That does not work on me.


talking about math. Lets look at it this way if the average ac current was net zero then there would be no such current at all. So in your logic for an given point in time the current is always zero. This is the junk that you spout. There is current in AC and it can be half rectified for half the value even with some of these Current meters if they use a diode as a shunt. By the way a magnet is a shunt as well.


 Like I said I took the engineers way out and said it wasn't proper to use the DC meter for AC measurements.


 I will ask this once. If you have nothing to contribute then go somewhere else where you can stroke others ego's. I explained that it might not be possible with all ammeters to measure both currents and even said I would be using the appropriate meter for testing my setup. Again if you have nothing other then attacking me personally then please stop posting here.


 I have better things to do with my time then argue with paper engineers.


 So what are you here for anyways? Obviously it's not to help with figuring this process out.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14367 on: October 08, 2012, 12:55:46 AM »
I have noticed on some of the videos that the watt meters commonly used to measure home appliance output wattages were being used.
Yes, using them is a much better method that stupidly multiplying average volts by average amps

After further investigation I found discrepancies between  the appliance watt meter and a in-line watt meter.   NOTE:: below attachment.     I'm sure others with more experience have noticed this, but it kind-of surprised me ---- .
This is not surprising. Some of these meters are trying to save on production costs by not using full 4-quadrant multipliers or are using multipliers that can work only at low frequencies.

For $20 you can build your own wattmeter that can be accurate and functional up to tens of MHz .
If you want to give it a try, let me know and I will show you how.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #14368 on: October 08, 2012, 03:35:19 AM »
Hi i have some questions about the 2004 device or the 2012 aquarium, mostly about the transformer and coax, are you sure that the coax cable coil has nothing to do with the device ???
Is the coaxial impedance is fixed ( 50 ohms ) what about capacitance and inductance ( fixed also ??? ) so this could be in autoresonance or not ?  what about doing the coaxial in a bifilar coil.

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« Reply #14369 on: October 08, 2012, 03:50:21 AM »
There are nothing usefull just conversation about  special Cuprum wires nothing more! It is not worht to translate! The conversation between TK and one man from Italy, The man ask what kind of matter he shoul buy (eg wires, thansosots) before Tk will arrive..... Finally TK said that usual cuprum multystand wires quite OK and 10 meters is enough....
russian file is here
http://yadi.sk/d/hF5EurFM048Mu