Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze (Read 16556555 times)

wings · « **Reply #5640 on:** February 11, 2011, 04:56:17 PM »

Quote from: scratchrobot on February 11, 2011, 04:31:21 PM

Could it be that the device is an electron muliplier? When a charged or neutral particle, an ion or an electron, strikes a surface it can cause electrons associated with the outer layers of atoms to be released. The HV is used to accelerate the electrons.

An 'electron multiplier' (continuous dynode electron multiplier) is a vacuum-tube structure that multiplies incident charges. In a process called secondary emission, a single electron can, when bombarded on metal (or PbO coated surface) induce emission of roughly 1 to 3 electrons. If an electric potential is applied between this metal plate and yet another, the emitted electrons will accelerate to the next metal plate and induce secondary emission of still more electrons. This can be repeated a number of times, resulting in a large shower of electrons all collected by a metal anode, all having been triggered by just one. Therefore, another name for electron multipliers is 'avalanching ion detector'. 12 stages of acceleration will usually give a gain in current of 10 million.

I agree it is a possible effect .... multipactor effect not inside on the tube but on the surface of wire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipactor_effect

scratchrobot · « **Reply #5641 on:** February 11, 2011, 05:57:45 PM »

Quote from: wings on February 11, 2011, 04:56:17 PM

I agree it is a possible effect .... multipactor effect not inside on the tube but on the surface of wire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipactor_effect

Thanks for the link, very interesting. I did not know it's also a phenomenon in radio frequency (RF)
I strongly believe that this must be the effect we are after, I don't know if it only happens in a vacuum?
I read somewhere that electrons are much lighter than air molecules so the air would stop them.

stivep · « **Reply #5642 on:** February 11, 2011, 06:32:02 PM »

I was able to establish some of ............( no wording) .It might be possible that I'm going to have very "close encounter" with Tariel personally.

All of informations that I have so far I will not publish as I do not want to damage any relations I have.
for me he is the most important person on the service of the earth.

As for today I have a lot of info in regards to well being of Tariel. I'm not certain of any denial or acceptance of my offer to release it for free. I will do my best. So help me Good. We are The People..
Wesley

PS:

Please promote my video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu4Rkb8vIio
Please post it at any Georgian site you can.Please do so disregarding the fact - of if that discussion group being subject oriented or not or the subiect discussed is of topic or not.

Put the link to any chat, any discussion group,any possible place.Tariel is not known in reminding 3 million of population of Georgia.
They have no idea about existence of Tariel.
Governemt is not interested in it as they are the owners of "heating system."

I have experienced a lot of denials from the "closest country" (next to) Georgia. But there are the people i that "closest country" individually supporting my action

after publishing my video I have got numerous hits to my site from all of the major oil countries not excluding any single one. That happened almost instantly at the same "time period".

Thank You "The People"

forest · « **Reply #5643 on:** February 11, 2011, 08:23:10 PM »

Quote from: Magluvin on February 11, 2011, 04:24:10 AM

So say this is SM secret, and he could get the standing wave to be stationary, then you could just tap the output coil where that node resides and get dc from that point of place on the coil? And his control circuit could be just a circuit that has taps to the left and right
of the output tap to sense where the standing wave may be drifting and make the necessary adjustments automatically. Just from what I know of it. ;]

Mags

Yes.TPU and Kapanadze may be very close related.Somehow it is possible to get sweeping impulse bouncing between boundaries with group speed different (slower) then speed of conjugate waves (those which forms standing wave by interference). That is what I call stationary wave and I believe that is what Tesla thought about. His notes are full of word : "vibration" while when talking about AC he always used the term " high frequency currents"

forest · « **Reply #5644 on:** February 11, 2011, 08:32:47 PM »

Quote from: stivep on February 10, 2011, 01:20:30 AM

How do you relate your comments in regards to that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKBDc8Wh8M&feature=related
Can you comment on that? I will appreciate both of you gentleman to respond.That means FOREST AS WELL.
Wesely

Looks like a stationary wave but it's hard to predict from video.Standing wave have group velocity ZERO (and zero energy transfer) while stationary wave is a wave bouncing around or between stationary frame.
From my uneducated point of view: imagine a point on wave this point for standing wave has no vector in direction of waves propagation (those waves which forms standing wave) ,this poin does not move in that direction; in other words: standing wave is not a wave, all points oscillate up and down ONLY (90 degree to the direction of propagation of conjugate waves).
Forgive me if I'm using incorrect words.

dllabarre · « **Reply #5645 on:** February 11, 2011, 09:07:57 PM »

Quote from: iceweller on February 11, 2011, 01:42:25 PM

Though I sincerely doubt the veradicity of the drawing, I have zipped the 2 relevant ones in one file FYI (one is the reconstruction of the hand drawing). I am still waiting for an answer to the real source of this paper but it appears to be fake.

Thank you for posting this.
DonL

forest · « **Reply #5646 on:** February 11, 2011, 09:08:26 PM »

Quote from: gyulasun on February 11, 2011, 04:46:46 PM

Hi forest,

If you don't mind I would read your thoughts on the above in bold.

thanks, Gyula

Well,I was too fast.I'm not yet prepared to understand and explain all concept,I see only pieces.
I have to understand why there are nodes (and not just one node) in standing waves (or why there are harmonics which is the same). Did you found any adequate explanation ? Because I didn't.
Why the perfect standing wave do not stop on producing only one node

?

Maybe Tesla just measured just standing waves, but personally I don't think so. See ,I don't say I'm right, I'm just trying to collect pros and cons.
In case of standing wave energy transfer would be by impedance matching of receiver and would be hard to get at any location on this planet when using long waves.Also in perfect standing wave there is no net energy transfer so such wave has to be disturbed or broken to release energy IMHO.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the amount of energy taken from such a "power line "by receiver would be different in different locations and the same apparatus would work here but not on node or near node and would require continuous adjustments.Something like RDS function in radio ?
Stationary wave or sweeping impulse would work independently on location and bouncing back to the transmitter almost untouched when there is no working receiver . Also when standing waves would be made between Tesla magnifying transmitter and antipodes then how would you explain Tesla notes on a superluminal wave around the globe ?

Herger · « **Reply #5647 on:** February 11, 2011, 10:03:02 PM »

Tesla detected standing waves relative the earth and atmosphere. This supported his ideas for sending power around the world. I recall a diagram of his that showed a standing wave drawn over a magnifying transmitter. This makes sense if there is a reflection at the ground and aerial terminals.

Kapanadze is pulsing a single coil and not sending power around the world.

LtBolo · « **Reply #5648 on:** February 12, 2011, 04:09:26 AM »

Quote from: Herger on February 11, 2011, 10:03:02 PM

Kapanadze is pulsing a single coil...

Hergerumpy, you have been a strong proponent of short sharp pulses into a relatively high resistance coil. The theory I have pushed a couple of times is dependent on absorption of energy during electron's acceleration (presumably from a quantum source), and emission of the same during rapid deceleration (presumably as a photon of some sort). Short pulses of very fast transient would do exactly that, and would not require any form of resonance. I see no problem with that, save one, and it isn't a problem as much as a design difficulty. If my thinking is right, the amount of energy absorbed is going to be a function of the energy level achieved by the electron, and to get it very high level in a single pulse will require a rather stout whack. Not a problem, just a design consideration.

If the goal is simply separating the absorption from emission in time and space...think both ends of a heat pump in the same room, rather than at different places...it seems to me that anything that will provide the requisite accel/decel and do so in such a way as to put the two events at some distance from one another, should be sufficient. Additionally, if one can do so with high Q standing waves, then one might be able to accomplish the goal with resonance at lower input power, rather than impulses.

The key of course is how fast does charge really move in a standing wave...if at all? Does it move faster in certain configurations? What is the effect of a high Q built from very low resistance, low inductance, and high capacitance...a high-current resonance...instead of the more conventional high resistance, high inductance, and low capacitance resonance that produces high voltage? I'm not entirely sure of the difference in electron drift between the two, although I have found it interesting that Lawrence Rayburn's TREC emphasized the high current variety. Significant? Perhaps.

Virtually all of the more credible devices could be explained either in terms of rapid coil banging or resonance that accelerated electrons to sufficient speed to jump energy levels...the key simply being that you have to cross that threshold (whatever that is) and then provide a mechanism to capture the emission once the electron dumps the energy.

I'm not really suggesting anything, just curious on your thoughts, and those of anybody else that would like to jump in the discussion. In the end, the excess energy must come from somewhere, and that somewhere is likely the same place that everything else in nature gets its energy from. The question is how in practice do we force at a macro level what naturally and automatically happens at the subatomic level?

Herger · « **Reply #5649 on:** February 12, 2011, 05:21:11 AM »

Quote from: LtBolo on February 12, 2011, 04:09:26 AM

Hergerumpy, you have been a strong proponent of short sharp pulses into a relatively high resistance coil. The theory I have pushed a couple of times is dependent on absorption of energy during electron's acceleration (presumably from a quantum source), and emission of the same during rapid deceleration (presumably as a photon of some sort). Short pulses of very fast transient would do exactly that, and would not require any form of resonance. I see no problem with that, save one, and it isn't a problem as much as a design difficulty. If my thinking is right, the amount of energy absorbed is going to be a function of the energy level achieved by the electron, and to get it very high level in a single pulse will require a rather stout whack. Not a problem, just a design consideration.

If the goal is simply separating the absorption from emission in time and space...think both ends of a heat pump in the same room, rather than at different places...it seems to me that anything that will provide the requisite accel/decel and do so in such a way as to put the two events at some distance from one another, should be sufficient. Additionally, if one can do so with high Q standing waves, then one might be able to accomplish the goal with resonance at lower input power, rather than impulses.

The key of course is how fast does charge really move in a standing wave...if at all? Does it move faster in certain configurations? What is the effect of a high Q built from very low resistance, low inductance, and high capacitance...a high-current resonance...instead of the more conventional high resistance, high inductance, and low capacitance resonance that produces high voltage? I'm not entirely sure of the difference in electron drift between the two, although I have found it interesting that Lawrence Rayburn's TREC emphasized the high current variety. Significant? Perhaps.

Virtually all of the more credible devices could be explained either in terms of rapid coil banging or resonance that accelerated electrons to sufficient speed to jump energy levels...the key simply being that you have to cross that threshold (whatever that is) and then provide a mechanism to capture the emission once the electron dumps the energy.

I'm not really suggesting anything, just curious on your thoughts, and those of anybody else that would like to jump in the discussion. In the end, the excess energy must come from somewhere, and that somewhere is likely the same place that everything else in nature gets its energy from. The question is how in practice do we force at a macro level what naturally and automatically happens at the subatomic level?

Let me save you years of searching, the energy comes right out of space. You could say that it is multipaction of space. You force the macro by making it real, making it manifest itself, and pulsing your coil happens to do that.

Standing waves, resonance, and acceleration/deceleration are all just other interesting things. If you want the truth, then forget all of the crap that everyone else preaches and boasts about. Pulse a coil of wire and look for an effect that appears as a radial current around the coil. You will only find the answers on your bench. They are not in literature. Tesla never explained what occurs in fine detail, only the effects of it. Grey, Sweet, Moray, Mark, Hendershot, Kapanadze: none of them explain the mechanism. Dollard did try, and he does show the effects.

Coil, bench, or stop wasting time.

pix · « **Reply #5650 on:** February 12, 2011, 08:23:23 AM »

@Herger
Concerning your thinking about accelerating/decelerating electrons.A heat pump analogy is interesting. In heat pump areas where refrigerant expands and condenses are separated-heat energy is "pumped" and large air volume of low temperature is converted to smaller volume but high temperature air with the help of electrical energy used in compressor plus accesories( fan,control circuit).In the conversion process we GAIN energy, typically COP is 2-5 depending from system. By use of refrigerant media properties we utilise a very basic physical law of entrophy- when refrigerant changes its phase state from more organised (liquid) to less organised(gas) on the expansion orifice- it sucks energy from the surroundings.When refrigerant is changing state from less organised(gas) to more organised(liquid)- by help of compressor it gives off this previously sucked energy to the heated room.So by use 1 unit of electrical energy we catch a few units of thermal energy from surrounding- it is OVERUNITY. Similar could be for electrons-there is difference when electron is slow and when electron is ballistic.The difference is mass.When electron is bound in conductor lattice it has "stationary" mass, when we accelerate electron- it has smaller mass.So there is obviously energy exchange with surrounding- similiar like refrigerant.Electrons exchange energy with the space when accelerating/decelerating, refrigerant when state phase change expanding/condensing .
Tesla refered to Linde air liquification process.He was referring to the clever setup that Linde utilised, a heat exchangers where a small part of already liquified gas was used to cool incoming gas more in cascading way.Expansion of small portion of gas was cooling larger amount of gas-again phase change gain was utilised.
I was always wondering it similiar phenomena occurs with electrons when they change speed, do exsist a energy exchange with the surrounding space during that speed change?If yes,maybe we should separate areas of aceleration and deceleration in some way?
Regards,
pix

TEKTRON · « **Reply #5651 on:** February 12, 2011, 11:14:54 AM »

Near a weak has passed. I have worms and Trojans in my sys. I have not received EM
notification for days from OU. So I think i can get this out now, WTF is Item (9) in the TK Patent?
I do believe this is where we need to look.

exnihiloest · « **Reply #5652 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:14:32 PM »

Quote from: scratchrobot on February 11, 2011, 05:57:45 PM

Thanks for the link, very interesting. I did not know it's also a phenomenon in radio frequency (RF)
I strongly believe that this must be the effect we are after, I don't know if it only happens in a vacuum?
...

Multipactor effect works only in vacuum. Sparks in air and ionisation would destroyed the effect. Where would there be a vacuum in Kapanadze's device?

quarktoo · « **Reply #5653 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:20:00 PM »

Quote from: TEKTRON on February 12, 2011, 11:14:54 AM

Near a weak has passed. I have worms and Trojans in my sys. I have not received EM
notification for days from OU. So I think i can get this out now, WTF is Item (9) in the TK Patent?
I do believe this is where we need to look.

Me too! That is how you know some good info. was released in this thread. If you haven't figured it out by now, most if not all of these FE web sites are all about intel gathering. You are not doing anything important if you are not on the no fly list, having your computer hacked by a-holes or on a list over at the pentagon.

Just share info but do not prove anything with photos. Drives the spooks crazy!

Shout out to Grumpy / Herger.

Note how Herger always acts like he knows something but never fills in the blanks? He is baiting you into spilling what you know and where you are in your learning process. The Grumpy demeanor is a psychological technique designed to create transfer of authority. It only works retards and children. Shout out to Mag!

You can always start your own FE website and ban those that are suspect. You will find that is 90% of them. Best to work with friends and relatives offline and if you plan to file a patent on something, you better have a NDA from every supplier and anyone you talk to. Best to just go open source and share with friends.

For me, I just don't like being spied on so I come here to learn, share and troll spooks. It's my hobby.

quarktoo · « **Reply #5654 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:20:59 PM »

Quote from: exnihiloest on February 12, 2011, 12:14:32 PM

Multipactor effect works only in vacuum. Sparks in air and ionisation would destroyed the effect. Where would there be a vacuum in Kapanadze's device?

There wouldn't. It's an accelerator coil. The whole multipacitor thing was the usual smoke and mirrors from the spooks.

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