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MarkE

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6390 on: November 04, 2014, 05:28:33 PM »
Dave current in a coil changes as the E*t product.  If you switch one coil into another such as you do through your diodes, then the instantaneous voltage spike can be very high, and destructive.

Reiyuki

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« Reply #6391 on: November 04, 2014, 05:50:03 PM »
  Dave, I still don't think it's about the schematics, but more about the winding.  You've probably posted several working schematics without knowing the operating principle.



  Something to ponder about winding techniques.  In several systems (TK/Kapagen, Floyd Sweet VTA, TPU) there is much focus on cancelling/nullifying magnetic fields in a coil.

Attached are 2 examples of this.

  On the surface, they would appear identical.  Both nullify inductance.  The difference is that in figure A, the electric and magnetic fields cancel, whereas in figure B, only the magnetic component is cancelled.  The result is a standing electric field that is positive on one end and negative on the other.  This field is like the electric field in a unipolar generator.


  It explains why so many devices use a mix of CW and CCW winding techniques, it's the only way to keep the dipoles separate while still cancelling the magnetic field. ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6392 on: November 04, 2014, 07:16:06 PM »
Your coil design reminds me of an antenna I ran across a few years back.

Reiyuki

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« Reply #6393 on: November 04, 2014, 07:33:02 PM »
Neat pic, where's the link from?  An EH antenna design perhaps?

Using 2 opposed coils would result in the same effect, but would not as efficient since less of the magnetic field would cancel.  Then again, you'd need a magnetic component to actually utilize a standing electric wave, so perhaps it serves a dual-purpose.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6394 on: November 04, 2014, 07:41:37 PM »
"ok analyzed this, a battery , cap, three separated coil is enough"

maybe 2 bifi coils...  first bifi for primary for extra power  and second bifi the especial extra....
and connections  ? coil arrangement  ? ...is the secret...see the pictures...it's all in this forum...
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6395 on: November 04, 2014, 09:11:56 PM »
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Reiyuki

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6396 on: November 04, 2014, 10:20:58 PM »
"ok analyzed this, a battery , cap, three separated coil is enough"

maybe 2 bifi coils...  first prim and second extra....

  T's very first posts on this thread were about trying to understand/replicate Floyd Sweet's VTA.  I'd reread these to start.
http://www.hyiq.org/Images/SQM.jpg       and    http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/nothing.pdf

  Perhaps the setup could be simplified; instead of 2ea 2000 turn kicker coils, you'd just use 1 between both bifilar coils.  Then instead of using magnets on the VTA, you'd wind over simple transformer cores and drive at anti-resonance.


  The best answer is the one that explains the most.  Why wind CW and CCW coils?  Why have coils at 90deg to the bifilars?  What purpose does the magnet serve?  etc, etc.     Without having some concepts behind operation, it's like trying to build an internal combustion engine by looking at a picture of a car.   My own theories are fairly complete at this point.  If anyone has questions, I'll explain best I can.

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« Reply #6397 on: November 04, 2014, 11:17:23 PM »
Hey Reiyuki
 I dont remember the link but yes I believe I was looking into the EH antenna at the time, I save most diagrams I run across.
Magnetic cancelling may be the answer we'r looking for I have a few idea's Im working on as time permits.

Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6398 on: November 05, 2014, 12:38:08 AM »
"he said he notice a little increase"

Does anyone know where Tesla said this?

Mags


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Hi body, i don't want to make quarrel to anyone anymore ok? i just want to give some points to brother aking.


That is not the actual word he said, i just read that he notice a slight increase. ;) 




try to read the colorado spring, if i'm not mistaken. :)


or try to consult our best reader QWERT for this ok. :)

a.king21

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6399 on: November 05, 2014, 01:46:18 AM »

 :D
Hi body, i don't want to make quarrel to anyone anymore ok? i just want to give some points to brother aking.


That is not the actual word he said, i just read that he notice a slight increase. ;) 




try to read the colorado spring, if i'm not mistaken. :)


or try to consult our best reader QWERT for this ok. :)


I understand Tito, cos some people are rude. Why not pm me?

a.king21

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6400 on: November 05, 2014, 01:48:54 AM »
As I understand the Colorado Spring notes, the magic is in the third coil.
It is because it is separated by a middle coil to prevent normal induction.

Marsing

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6401 on: November 05, 2014, 03:58:00 AM »
Quick Note:

That chart is a misprint.  If you do the Pp and Ps calculations yourself  (I didn't do the detailed math, but it is obvious enough...)  you will see that the actual values are far closer than what is shown, and the Pp IS greater than the Ps.

Nice find, however.  Good to see that people are actually reading these charts and info.  If you had any idea of how many education texts have such errors, including in the Theory sections, you would be amazed.

I'd wager that this one is a "Typo".  If it weren't, I "Think" the author might have mentioned the "OU" produced...

Hi,
i presume that you have found hundreds errors in education texts books.

thats not so interesting anymore since it was probably typo/misprint ( sorry mag ), but, i still wonder, if Rs is zero then Pp may be infinite, so in your opinion, is the Pp  consume infinite power spontaneously or not ?.

and what about this http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indmut.html#c1 it describe induction, Faraday and lenz law, are you agree in every words written in the "Coupled Inductors" section ?.

the third question is most important for me, it's ok  if you decide to refuse answering my two first question,(if you know) how many "coil" and "capacitor"  or (if exist )"diode" or secret component are in Steven Mark TPU?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6402 on: November 05, 2014, 08:41:04 AM »
analyse slight increase , especially in vacuum tubes
or prepare yourself like monks in Shaolin - bowl of water and shape your hands by hitting it  :o :-[ :-* ::) ??? :P :) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6403 on: November 05, 2014, 01:17:35 PM »
Dave, I have explained to you before that anywhere you connect a transistor switch to an inductor, you need to provide a safe path for the inductor current to continue through when you turn the first switch off.  When you wire up these serpentine circuits you need to keep that in mind.
Sometimes I have to sleep on it but I saw the error of my ways  :D
Now it will work, it will cycle the current and the electrons.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6404 on: November 05, 2014, 01:58:10 PM »
Which raises the question