Author Topic: Giving it away?! (Read 26493 times)

Chris31 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:19:03 AM »

Quote from: reada on January 17, 2009, 12:15:45 AM

what you would do is generate greed and elites (again) - im astonished that that isnt common sense - money and the stupid invention of interest led us here - if money is interest free you can come again with your examples and theories

What is this discussion about anyway? There are folks on this planet that feed on love and doing good, besides their 8hour work day - so what

Jeez

Operating a charity is greed? read my post again

reada · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:27:52 AM »

ok - right
excuse me
my point is that the existing system is a piece of shit, but we dont get it because we are blinded by media, money helps the folks that want control - but the thing is there cant be control - we live in a chaotic system that is handcuffed by money - would the system be 'free' as it is in openSource there would be ways of selforganisation some people here wouldnt even think of. Linux is a good example

Randomsomeone · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:29:06 AM »

Quote from: Chris31 on January 17, 2009, 12:19:03 AM

Jeez

Operating a charity is greed? read my post again

Haha, yes ...yes they VERY much are. You think the big charities are just for giggles and hugs?! They are HUGE business.

The charities dont make profits themselves (though, they do pay all their employees...and retain money for growth.... but they arent paying that to stockholders or things like that).

Instead, these charities are needing to BUY their supplies from somewhere. They need to go to the farmers and the steel workers and all the other big businesses with HUGE deals (millions and millions and millions). They need contractors and everything else you can think of.

Its kind of like saying war isnt for greed too. All those weapons and things need to come from somewhere.....there are a lot of BIG businesses with BIG interests in war and charities and all the other "non greed" things you can think of.

Heh, without greed....we would have none of the charities we do. Even the church is wrapped around greed and big business to further their own goals (you know advertising campains arent given away because it makes people feel good right?)

Self interest...greed.... welcome to the power driving the world forward

ramset · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:30:13 AM »

Chris
there is no common sense In baseball
This business model has never been tested
All the others have
Chet

z.monkey · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:33:41 AM »

Quote from: Chris31 on January 17, 2009, 12:00:58 AM

Giving away invention is like leaving billions of dollar on the street so anyone can grab any amount they wish, of course greedy people will grab as much as they want.

No I disagree, electricity is another form of fire.

Can you make fire for free, or nearly free?

Everyone deserves the natural right to use their natural resources.

What if some sneaky shyster found a way to patent fire?

Then we would have the Fire Company. Laws would be passed to ensure no one stole fire. There would be a fire tax. The as a last desperate measure to control fire the government would have to implement the Fire Enforcement Agency. This of course would generate the Fire Underground and the Fire Black Market. Then Wars would ensue from the Fire Enforcement Agency trying to take out the Fire Underground. Then the price of Fire goes through the roof because everyone is trying to "manage" fire, and on, and on, and on... Until bankruptcy send us all to the unemployment office...

I have the inalienable, uncontrollable right to make fire and cook meat...

I should have the same inalienable, uncontrollable right to boil water with homemade electric fire...

In essence we all generate free electricity already. Its winter, the air is dry. Every time you touch a faucet, or a door knob you get shocked. That is "free" electricity, enjoy your unlimited supply...

Chris31 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:39:42 AM »

At the end of the day if you come up with a device to help save the world, be very careful how you release it.

It will take alot of thinking, it will certainly not just a matter of releasing it to the public and the world is saved, it doesnt work like that.

Chris31 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:53:00 AM »

Quote from: Randomsomeone on January 17, 2009, 12:29:06 AM

Haha, yes ...yes they VERY much are. You think the big charities are just for giggles and hugs?! They are HUGE business.

The charities dont make profits themselves (though, they do pay all their employees...and retain money for growth.... but they arent paying that to stockholders or things like that).

Instead, these charities are needing to BUY their supplies from somewhere. They need to go to the farmers and the steel workers and all the other big businesses with HUGE deals (millions and millions and millions). They need contractors and everything else you can think of.

Its kind of like saying war isnt for greed too. All those weapons and things need to come from somewhere.....there are a lot of BIG businesses with BIG interests in war and charities and all the other "non greed" things you can think of.

Heh, without greed....we would have none of the charities we do. Even the church is wrapped around greed and big business to further their own goals (you know advertising campains arent given away because it makes people feel good right?)

Self interest...greed.... welcome to the power driving the world forward

Right...

You cant think of anything with money involve is greed, there is a big difference between giving something away and keeping everything in your pocket.

Its pretty pointless setting up a charity if it cannot sustain its operation. It will need money to run, and even more money to expand to be able help more people. Giving 100% away collected its a sure way to close your charity.

Anyway enjoy the chat guys, Im outta here

z.monkey · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:00:23 AM »

Quote from: Chris31 on January 17, 2009, 12:39:42 AM

It will take alot of thinking, it will certainly not just a matter of releasing it to the public and the world is saved, it doesnt work like that.

It's going to take millions of man hours, but You, I, and the rest of the garage engineers out there have a massive head start on the rest of the world. What if you could put a Free Energy Generator in a box the size of a 12 Volt 7 Amp Hour Sealed Lead Acid Battery (SLAB) which put out 50 Amps? Built it so that it is no more difficult to connect than a regular battery. Even make the connector polarized so that it only connects in one way.

You would have the garage engineers and manufacturers building these things and taking care of a limited number of people around them, family, friends... Then you have these little circles on energy supply instead of the "Global" energy company which has a world monopoly...

Ultimately I think it will work this way by necessity rather than choice...

forest · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:22:28 AM »

Quote from: z.monkey on January 17, 2009, 01:00:23 AM

It's going to take millions of man hours, but You, I, and the rest of the garage engineers out there have a massive head start on the rest of the world. What if you could put a Free Energy Generator in a box the size of a 12 Volt 7 Amp Hour Sealed Lead Acid Battery (SLAB) which put out 50 Amps? Built it so that it is no more difficult to connect than a regular battery. Even make the connector polarized so that it only connects in one way.

You would have the garage engineers and manufacturers building these things and taking care of a limited number of people around them, family, friends... Then you have these little circles on energy supply instead of the "Global" energy company which has a world monopoly...

Ultimately I think it will work this way by necessity rather than choice...

learn and teach
send knowledge forward
we need to wake up , free energy may only be a catalyst

Bulbz · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2009, 01:34:19 AM »

Quote from: Randomsomeone on January 16, 2009, 08:15:21 PM

Ok...I dont get it....why would anyone GIVE an overunity invention away? A person holding the patent to such a thing would be able to get BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars. Thats money for every idea you would ever have in your life......with the best equipment....with experts to back you up....or whatever else your dream might be.

Holding the patent doesnt mean people wont be able to use it. You can still make it widely available and sell rights to lots of different companies to use it and start pushing products. Energy would be amazingly cheaper and the world would be better....you dont need to give it away for that to happen.

So, again, why would anyone give this away? Thats the main reason I keep my ideas to myself, patents and legal rights are tricky, the last thing i want is someone rushing to the offices before me and getting all the rights.

It's all in the fun of screwing-over the Oil industry, and then saying "I did that"

wattsup · « **Reply #25 on:** January 17, 2009, 02:15:59 AM »

You are neglecting the reality.

What reality you ask. It is simple. Those that are in the OU endeavor know that there are many ways to skin the proverbial OU cat, just like there are two sides of a road you can drive on. There are also many degrees of expertise levels in the devices that people are working on.

If you had a compact OU device that had 3 small coils, a transistor, a few small caps and a few resistors, and if this could be made by anyone with a soldering iron, that is one level. If the device requires 150 specially machined and calibrated parts that are not available off the self, that is another level and there are many levels in between.

But here is the reality in this OU endeavor.

Whatever you come up with, you then have a choice. You can try and keep your mouth shut while you go through all the patent process and expense. Or you can go public and just give it too the world. YES JUST GIVE IT TO THE WORLD. Either way, within 90 days it will be rendered obsolete because someone else will have lit their brain light and come up with an even better idea using some of your patented slants but different enough to say "No way buddy, this ones mine". lol

So you can blow the market horn all you want, the reality is even if you come up with a working device, expect to be rendered obsolete very quickly. This is the nature of the technological beast that is advancing not in small multiples but at an extreme exponential rate.

Hey, you can dream all you want about making it rich with OU but you are only kidding yourself. Patent, big deal, 17 years of protection. What's the use when you are rendered obsolete. How long did the 8-track cassette last? How many patents are just paper and never see the market? How many OU inventors are sitting at home wondering why the f*&k they signed with JoeBlow Corporation and now they are stuck for life.

Invent it. Give it too the world. While you do this, make it, sell it, sell your expertise to companies that want to make, what can be simpler then that.

What is the advantage of being the richest person in the cemetery. What is the advantage in sitting on the morning toilet bowl with a 400$ supper or a 10$ supper waiting to get out. (That's gross I know but we all do it every day.) Then what is the point of fighting with the impending "God Syndrome" and dealing with your entourage that will suffer from Gold Fever. You think these are just stories. This is the reality and we are only men, surrounded by other men, all with their own interests.

Who can say I, myself, with my own reliance on my own mind and my own ideas has come up with this OU device. What about all the backs you have walked on to get to where you are. Did all those that helped you learn what you know ask for their cut. NO. We all walk on the backs of the great that have come before us. No one can say they have a "absolutely new" idea. All such ideas will forcibly have and/or pull from all of what has been done before us.

Then there is the OU time warp, where we think we are living in an advanced society but in OU reality, we are just about to enter the age of the Model-T. The beginning of OU will be a time of great change and OU advancement that will exponentially be great. So where are you supposed to get your kicks when you know you just signed with a big investor and this now means you can now longer hold your own ideas as your own. Where and how will you maintain your control over your own life when everything you have will ride on this one idea and should someone come up with something "more convenient" you now become history. There is only one way you can be great and still command your destiny. Abandon, do not expect acclamations or riches. You will be free to enjoy both the thankful world and also the financial rewards, but you will also enjoy your continued freedom to be your own man. Just ask SM. He knows very well what I am talking about.

So please, spare me the lectures on market forces. What about my life, my freedom, my want to just help others live a better life. Bah, what's the use. Each his own.

Randomsomeone · « **Reply #26 on:** January 17, 2009, 02:27:09 AM »

Quote from: wattsup on January 17, 2009, 02:15:59 AM

You are neglecting the reality.

What reality you ask. It is simple. Those that are in the OU endeavor know that there are many ways to skin the proverbial OU cat, just like there are two sides of a road you can drive on. There are also many degrees of expertise levels in the devices that people are working on.

If you had a compact OU device that had 3 small coils, a transistor, a few small caps and a few resistors, and if this could be made my anyone with a soldering iron, that is one level. If the device requires 150 specially machined and calibrated parts that are not available off the self, that is another level and there are many levels in between.

But here is the reality in this OU endeavor.

Whatever you come up with, you then have a choice. You can try and keep your mouth shut while you go through all the patent process and expense. Or you can go public and just give it too the world. YES JUST GIVE IT TO THE WORLD. Either way, within 90 days it will be rendered obsolete because someone else will have lit their brain light and come up with an even better idea using some of your patented slants but different enough to say "No way buddy, this ones mine". lol

So you can blow the market horn all you want, the reality is even if you come up with a working device, expect to be rendered obsolete very quickly. This is the nature of the technological beast that is advancing not in small multiples but at an extreme exponential rate.

Hey, you can dream all you want about making it rich with OU but you are only kidding yourself. Patent, big deal, 17 years of protection. What's the use when you are rendered obsolete. How long did the 8-track cassette last? How many patents are just paper and never see the market? How many OU inventors are sitting at home wondering why the f*&k they signed with JoeBlow Corporation and now they are stuck for life.

Invent it. Give it too the world. While you do this, make it, sell it, sell your expertise to companies that want to make, what can be simpler then that.

What is the advantage of being the richest person in the cemetery. What is the advantage in sitting on the morning toilet bowl with a 400$ supper or a 10$ supper waiting to get out. (That's gross I know but we all do it every day.) Then what is the point of fighting with the impending "God Syndrome" and dealing with your entourage that will suffer from Gold Fever. You think these are just stories. This is the reality and we are only men, surrounded by other men, all with their own interests.

Who can say I, myself, with my own reliance on my own mind and my own ideas have come up with this OU device. What about all the backs you have walked on to get to where you are. Did all those that helped you learn what you know ask for their cut. NO. We all walk on the backs of the great that have come before us. No one can say they have a "absolutely new" idea. All such ideas will forcibly have and/or pull from all of what has been done before us.

Then there is the OU time warp, where we think we are living in an advanced society but in OU reality, we are just about to enter the age of the Model-T. The beginning of OU will be a time of great change and OU advancement that will exponentially be great. So where are you supposed to get your kicks when you know you just signed with a big investor and this now means you can now longer hold your own ideas as your own. Where and how will you maintain you control over your own life when everything you have will ride on this one idea and should someone come up with something "more convenient" you now become history. There is only one way you can be great and still command your destiny. Abandon, do not expect acclamations or riches. You will be free to enjoy both the thankful world and also the financial rewards, but you will also enjoy your continued freedom to be your own man. Just ask SM. He knows very well what I am talking about.

So please, spare me the lectures of market forces. What about my life, my freedom, my want to just help others live a better life. Bah, what's the use. Each his own.

So basically....

"Give up on trying to profit from things you invent because someone else will improve it"

....thats not really how it works.

You also dont just sign with one company and thats it.... you CAN do that...or you can do MANY other things (such as selling the rights to many different companies).

Trying to manufacture and sell little units yourself is just so trivial its not even worth it. Why spend your time inventing something new? Why not just make some TV's or something that look different and are custom made? You would probably make more doing that anyway heh.

How do you think people who patent ideas get rich? Why doesnt everyone just rip them off by changing a few things? Why didnt the guy who made the post-it note get ripped off? Why didnt the person who developed the batteryless wacom pen tablet get ripped off? ,,,,, Patents are a little harder to break than you think....

z.monkey · « **Reply #27 on:** January 17, 2009, 02:27:15 AM »

@wattsup
Yeah!

innovation_station · « **Reply #28 on:** January 17, 2009, 02:38:40 AM »

nice seeing you stand up monkey and wattsup!

mine works also ....

hey with little effort it is selfsustaining

from a aaa battery it will power my 50lbs pulse motor wich i have gear boxes i will run off the axel to power bigger generators or maybe put it in a CAR!!!!

YOU ALL DECIDE

@ z want a job?

lol a big one

wattsup · « **Reply #29 on:** January 17, 2009, 02:57:14 AM »

No, you are putting words in my mouth.

You are talking about inventing a new Rubic's Cube, or a new Toaster, or a new medical device or whatever useful thing will have a regular market potential. You are trying to equate such normal business activities with the advent of OU.

What we are working on is bigger then any one worldwide corporation can handle. Bigger then any one simple minded inventor could even start to realize the importance and the total implications go so way above any one persons head that if you try and control it, your head will simply bust from the pressure.

You're talking about rudimentary product development and marketing. Wrong league. I know very well what that side is. I have done it all my life. Big deal. It will not work with OU devices because the market forces are just tooooooooo great.

You can't sign with ABC company, because this will knock out their competitor DEF, GHI and JKL company who also have world importance in the market. Then there are all the other problems. You cannot sign with a Jewish company otherwise you cannot get into the Arab countries.

So you sign with Ford and they decide to keep all the other car companies out of the loop. You sign with GE and Westinghouse just got shafted along with 60% of the world's market. You sign with anyone and all you are doing is limiting yourself, because they WILL INSIST ON CONTROLLING YOU. For what. For a few bucks. Nahhhhhhhh. No thanks. I'm my own boss and I know that if I give this to the world, ALL THE WORLD, then ALL will use it just as I intended. Even the small village chief in Africa will have his first light bulb in his Center Square.

So again, No thanks. But nice try.

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