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Ok...I dont get it....why would anyone GIVE an overunity invention away? A person holding the patent to such a thing would be able to get BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars. Thats money for every idea you would ever have in your life......with the best equipment....with experts to back you up....or whatever else your dream might be.
Holding the patent doesnt mean people wont be able to use it. You can still make it widely available and sell rights to lots of different companies to use it and start pushing products. Energy would be amazingly cheaper and the world would be better....you dont need to give it away for that to happen.
So, again, why would anyone give this away? Thats the main reason I keep my ideas to myself, patents and legal rights are tricky, the last thing i want is someone rushing to the offices before me and getting all the rights.
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wake up do you really think your going to get a patent on a fe device
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wake up do you really think your going to get a patent on a fe device
What is a "fe device" ?....
Why shouldnt you be able to get a patent on an energy device? All the ones so far that have tried simply dont work (despite all the paranoid hype that "big oil" is stopping them).
There are a lot of people out there who say they have it figured out...but when it comes time to put up the proof, they say its not quite done yet or some other BS. Build it...submit it...and if it works, your rich.
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read this! http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.0
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What is a "fe device" ?....
Uh, Fe is Iron... So an Iron Device is like a blacksmith hammer or an anvil...
So on my generator I will make the plans open source and make them available for free on the internet. If you want to build one of my generators for yourself then you can expend the labor and materials cost and have a free (well, relatively free), free energy generator. But, for the people that lack the skills or are just lazy and don't want to build one then they can buy my generator from me. I'm a manufacturer and build these things anyway, so I'll build one for you, if you want. I am also not a greed oriented person. My manufacturing shop uses fair labor rates and reasonable profit margins so that you, the consumer, get a fair deal, and I make a little money...
Here's another idea... Make an industrial model, and a hobbyist model. The industrial model is proprietary and sells for big $$$ and the hobbyist model sells for just over cost and has open source plans.
OK, Mo Later...
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So on my generator I will make the plans open source and make them available for free on the internet.
Hi z.monkey;
Is this a example or are you saying you have a working FE ( free energy that is )devise? Good news if true I'll take one, do you have a payment option or lay a way?
Vonwolf
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Hey VonWolf,
I have a number of devices that are in the works...
Bicycle Wheel Alternator
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4135.0
Infinity Coil
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5144.0
Soft Particle Reactor
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4255.0
All of these are in some frustrating state of incompleteness...
The most promising one I am calling the Electron Forge. I haven't build a thread for it yet. It is based on principles elucidated in the Alchemical Manual for the New Millennium...
Alchemical Manual.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6408.0
I have the driver circuit already built, all I have to is wind a new coil for the Electron Forge and I start a thread for it. As per my previous post I'll make plans and assembly instructions available via this website, or if you want to buy one, we can do that also... I'm all wiggly about this one...
OK, Mo Later...
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Uh, Fe is Iron... So an Iron Device is like a blacksmith hammer or an anvil...
So on my generator I will make the plans open source and make them available for free on the internet. If you want to build one of my generators for yourself then you can expend the labor and materials cost and have a free (well, relatively free), free energy generator. But, for the people that lack the skills or are just lazy and don't want to build one then they can buy my generator from me. I'm a manufacturer and build these things anyway, so I'll build one for you, if you want. I am also not a greed oriented person. My manufacturing shop uses fair labor rates and reasonable profit margins so that you, the consumer, get a fair deal, and I make a little money...
Here's another idea... Make an industrial model, and a hobbyist model. The industrial model is proprietary and sells for big $$$ and the hobbyist model sells for just over cost and has open source plans.
OK, Mo Later...
That is so so so so small scale... if someone designs a proccess for overunity, it should be much more meaningful than a handful of units from a little shop.
Business is not about greed...its about being able to actually get things to market and work. Selling and building and all the other costs involved (even with a "free energy" machine) is still a BIG amount. Just because the technology to get the energy is there, doesnt mean its free. Energy companies will still need to build a real business around the technology, they will need to build plants and sell the energy (far cheaper than we buy it now, but still it will be sold....because you have costs).
Businesses also work to make a profit...so they can grow (and dont just stay some guy in his house). Thats just the way the world works. Why shouldnt the inventor be getting any of that from their hard work in coming up with the concepts?
It seems most people think you just need to put the technology out there and suddenly the world is saved. For this type of thing to work, its not going to ride on the backs of random hippies building small models from spare parts for their houses...it needs to be done on a large scale and marketed / accepted by the public.
Basically, expecting to just put it out on the internet and thinking your company will rake in the money from an unprotected technology is just stupid. Because competitors will duplicate it... do it cheaper, do it better, do it faster... and they will get all the money / fame / whatever else...
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That business model is so old world paradigm...
The future will hold a much more sustainable system where people are given what they need and as payment they help where they can. A cooperative system rather than a corporate system.
Just take a look at all the busted telecom companies. Is that your idea of sustainability?
I really only do this to pick up space chix....
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I really only do this to pick up space chix....
Muhahaaaaa
Thats it!
Random-guy - your Profit-world is about to desintegrate because of greed - your mother gave you milk what did you give back? you grew, thats the way.
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Random profit guy
Good luck [you'll need it]
Don't underestimate the power of need
Chet
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Actually I agree with OP
You will not save the world by posting the plan of an energy device on the net for everyone to copy. There bound to be crooks taking advantage of it, ie duplicating it and selling it for their own benefits.
Sell the device at low cost and use the money to build an even better world. Atleast you know all the profits is being recycled for a good cause.
Giving away invention is like leaving billions of dollar on the street so anyone can grab any amount they wish, of course greedy people will grab as much as they want.
Maybe not a good example, but Ill go for it anyway, imagine bill gate is giving away his products for free? The benefits is minimal, why not sell the products and use the billions created to help the poor.
Isnt that more productive?
You need to control, I would have though this is common sense.
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Hey VonWolf,
I have a number of devices that are in the works...
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OK, Mo Later...
Good deal z.monkey;
I sure hope it all works out, we could use some good news.
Pete
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Actually I agree with OP
You will not save the world by posting the plan of an energy device on the net for everyone to copy. There bound to be crooks taking advantage of it, ie duplicating it and selling it for their own benefits.
Sell the device at low cost and use the money to build an even better world. Atleast you know all the profits is being recycled for a good cause.
Giving away invention is like leaving billions of dollar on the street so anyone can grab any amount they wish, of course greedy people will grab as much as they want.
Maybe not a good example, but Ill go for it anyway, imagine bill gate is giving away his products for free? The benefits is minimal, why not sell the products and use the billions created to help the poor.
Isnt that more productive?
You need to control, I would have though this is common sense.
what you would do is generate greed and elites (again) - im astonished that that isnt common sense - money and the stupid invention of interest led us here - if money is interest free you can come again with your examples and theories
What is this discussion about anyway? There are folks on this planet that feed on love and doing good, besides their 8hour work day - so what
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Don't underestimate the power of need
Don't underestimate the power of greed....
You know why people dedicate their lives working LONG hours building empires and thousands and thousands of jobs across the world? Why they cut into their private and family lives? Traveling around the world constantly to push forward the next deal? Why they dedicate so much work to advance their field so that they could push ahead of the competitors? Why they strive to continue to make things cheaper so they can lower their prices and attract more customers? .... these people arent doing it for fuzzy feelings and hugs. Greed is one of the main drives for them to work and work and work and move the world forward.
Yea, sometimes they "cheat" and do things negative (like ignoring dangers of materials or whatever else)...but thats from a lack of morals, not from greed.
Why do you work? Day after day? Going to your job even when you feel bad? Why arent you accepting just enough money to get by on? Why do you want to earn enough for a car, a house, a tv, vacations, retirement...why do you want so much so you can raise a family? Why dont you live alone and just stay in shelters all your life?....maybe there is a little greed in there?
People like bill gates have so much because they were greedy. They were so greedy that they played the game and hired thousands of people across the world. They were so greedy that they continued to push new and better products into the market they knew everyone would want. And with their extra money that they created out of nothing? All that extra value that would not exist if it werent for them? They keep a lot of it...but a lot of it they give away to help people....all that value and money that would have never existed without their "greed".
Its called the real world. We arent living in whatever future you were talking about. In this time, you need money to make things happen. You need money to build the huge "free energy" factories. You need money to ship products. You need money to research and refine designs.
Coming up with an overunity concept is just the very start.... someone is going to need to take that idea and turn it into something meaningful (products, intigrating the technology into day to day life). That person and all the others who do the same will become rich as they move the world forward....if you put it out in the open for anyone to take, your just a fool (because they are getting rich off your hard work and genious).
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what you would do is generate greed and elites (again) - im astonished that that isnt common sense - money and the stupid invention of interest led us here - if money is interest free you can come again with your examples and theories
What is this discussion about anyway? There are folks on this planet that feed on love and doing good, besides their 8hour work day - so what
Jeez
Operating a charity is greed? read my post again ::)
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ok - right
excuse me
my point is that the existing system is a piece of shit, but we dont get it because we are blinded by media, money helps the folks that want control - but the thing is there cant be control - we live in a chaotic system that is handcuffed by money - would the system be 'free' as it is in openSource there would be ways of selforganisation some people here wouldnt even think of. Linux is a good example
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Jeez
Operating a charity is greed? read my post again ::)
Haha, yes ...yes they VERY much are. You think the big charities are just for giggles and hugs?! They are HUGE business.
The charities dont make profits themselves (though, they do pay all their employees...and retain money for growth.... but they arent paying that to stockholders or things like that).
Instead, these charities are needing to BUY their supplies from somewhere. They need to go to the farmers and the steel workers and all the other big businesses with HUGE deals (millions and millions and millions). They need contractors and everything else you can think of.
Its kind of like saying war isnt for greed too. All those weapons and things need to come from somewhere.....there are a lot of BIG businesses with BIG interests in war and charities and all the other "non greed" things you can think of.
Heh, without greed....we would have none of the charities we do. Even the church is wrapped around greed and big business to further their own goals (you know advertising campains arent given away because it makes people feel good right?)
Self interest...greed.... welcome to the power driving the world forward :)
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Chris
there is no common sense In baseball
This business model has never been tested
All the others have
Chet
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Giving away invention is like leaving billions of dollar on the street so anyone can grab any amount they wish, of course greedy people will grab as much as they want.
No I disagree, electricity is another form of fire.
Can you make fire for free, or nearly free?
Everyone deserves the natural right to use their natural resources.
What if some sneaky shyster found a way to patent fire?
Then we would have the Fire Company. Laws would be passed to ensure no one stole fire. There would be a fire tax. The as a last desperate measure to control fire the government would have to implement the Fire Enforcement Agency. This of course would generate the Fire Underground and the Fire Black Market. Then Wars would ensue from the Fire Enforcement Agency trying to take out the Fire Underground. Then the price of Fire goes through the roof because everyone is trying to "manage" fire, and on, and on, and on... Until bankruptcy send us all to the unemployment office...
I have the inalienable, uncontrollable right to make fire and cook meat...
I should have the same inalienable, uncontrollable right to boil water with homemade electric fire...
In essence we all generate free electricity already. Its winter, the air is dry. Every time you touch a faucet, or a door knob you get shocked. That is "free" electricity, enjoy your unlimited supply...
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At the end of the day if you come up with a device to help save the world, be very careful how you release it.
It will take alot of thinking, it will certainly not just a matter of releasing it to the public and the world is saved, it doesnt work like that.
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Haha, yes ...yes they VERY much are. You think the big charities are just for giggles and hugs?! They are HUGE business.
The charities dont make profits themselves (though, they do pay all their employees...and retain money for growth.... but they arent paying that to stockholders or things like that).
Instead, these charities are needing to BUY their supplies from somewhere. They need to go to the farmers and the steel workers and all the other big businesses with HUGE deals (millions and millions and millions). They need contractors and everything else you can think of.
Its kind of like saying war isnt for greed too. All those weapons and things need to come from somewhere.....there are a lot of BIG businesses with BIG interests in war and charities and all the other "non greed" things you can think of.
Heh, without greed....we would have none of the charities we do. Even the church is wrapped around greed and big business to further their own goals (you know advertising campains arent given away because it makes people feel good right?)
Self interest...greed.... welcome to the power driving the world forward :)
Right...
You cant think of anything with money involve is greed, there is a big difference between giving something away and keeping everything in your pocket.
Its pretty pointless setting up a charity if it cannot sustain its operation. It will need money to run, and even more money to expand to be able help more people. Giving 100% away collected its a sure way to close your charity.
Anyway enjoy the chat guys, Im outta here 8)
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It will take alot of thinking, it will certainly not just a matter of releasing it to the public and the world is saved, it doesnt work like that.
It's going to take millions of man hours, but You, I, and the rest of the garage engineers out there have a massive head start on the rest of the world. What if you could put a Free Energy Generator in a box the size of a 12 Volt 7 Amp Hour Sealed Lead Acid Battery (SLAB) which put out 50 Amps? Built it so that it is no more difficult to connect than a regular battery. Even make the connector polarized so that it only connects in one way.
You would have the garage engineers and manufacturers building these things and taking care of a limited number of people around them, family, friends... Then you have these little circles on energy supply instead of the "Global" energy company which has a world monopoly...
Ultimately I think it will work this way by necessity rather than choice...
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It's going to take millions of man hours, but You, I, and the rest of the garage engineers out there have a massive head start on the rest of the world. What if you could put a Free Energy Generator in a box the size of a 12 Volt 7 Amp Hour Sealed Lead Acid Battery (SLAB) which put out 50 Amps? Built it so that it is no more difficult to connect than a regular battery. Even make the connector polarized so that it only connects in one way.
You would have the garage engineers and manufacturers building these things and taking care of a limited number of people around them, family, friends... Then you have these little circles on energy supply instead of the "Global" energy company which has a world monopoly...
Ultimately I think it will work this way by necessity rather than choice...
learn and teach
send knowledge forward
we need to wake up , free energy may only be a catalyst
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Ok...I dont get it....why would anyone GIVE an overunity invention away? A person holding the patent to such a thing would be able to get BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars. Thats money for every idea you would ever have in your life......with the best equipment....with experts to back you up....or whatever else your dream might be.
Holding the patent doesnt mean people wont be able to use it. You can still make it widely available and sell rights to lots of different companies to use it and start pushing products. Energy would be amazingly cheaper and the world would be better....you dont need to give it away for that to happen.
So, again, why would anyone give this away? Thats the main reason I keep my ideas to myself, patents and legal rights are tricky, the last thing i want is someone rushing to the offices before me and getting all the rights.
It's all in the fun of screwing-over the Oil industry, and then saying "I did that" ;D
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You are neglecting the reality.
What reality you ask. It is simple. Those that are in the OU endeavor know that there are many ways to skin the proverbial OU cat, just like there are two sides of a road you can drive on. There are also many degrees of expertise levels in the devices that people are working on.
If you had a compact OU device that had 3 small coils, a transistor, a few small caps and a few resistors, and if this could be made by anyone with a soldering iron, that is one level. If the device requires 150 specially machined and calibrated parts that are not available off the self, that is another level and there are many levels in between.
But here is the reality in this OU endeavor.
Whatever you come up with, you then have a choice. You can try and keep your mouth shut while you go through all the patent process and expense. Or you can go public and just give it too the world. YES JUST GIVE IT TO THE WORLD. Either way, within 90 days it will be rendered obsolete because someone else will have lit their brain light and come up with an even better idea using some of your patented slants but different enough to say "No way buddy, this ones mine". lol
So you can blow the market horn all you want, the reality is even if you come up with a working device, expect to be rendered obsolete very quickly. This is the nature of the technological beast that is advancing not in small multiples but at an extreme exponential rate.
Hey, you can dream all you want about making it rich with OU but you are only kidding yourself. Patent, big deal, 17 years of protection. What's the use when you are rendered obsolete. How long did the 8-track cassette last? How many patents are just paper and never see the market? How many OU inventors are sitting at home wondering why the f*&k they signed with JoeBlow Corporation and now they are stuck for life.
Invent it. Give it too the world. While you do this, make it, sell it, sell your expertise to companies that want to make, what can be simpler then that.
What is the advantage of being the richest person in the cemetery. What is the advantage in sitting on the morning toilet bowl with a 400$ supper or a 10$ supper waiting to get out. (That's gross I know but we all do it every day.) Then what is the point of fighting with the impending "God Syndrome" and dealing with your entourage that will suffer from Gold Fever. You think these are just stories. This is the reality and we are only men, surrounded by other men, all with their own interests.
Who can say I, myself, with my own reliance on my own mind and my own ideas has come up with this OU device. What about all the backs you have walked on to get to where you are. Did all those that helped you learn what you know ask for their cut. NO. We all walk on the backs of the great that have come before us. No one can say they have a "absolutely new" idea. All such ideas will forcibly have and/or pull from all of what has been done before us.
Then there is the OU time warp, where we think we are living in an advanced society but in OU reality, we are just about to enter the age of the Model-T. The beginning of OU will be a time of great change and OU advancement that will exponentially be great. So where are you supposed to get your kicks when you know you just signed with a big investor and this now means you can now longer hold your own ideas as your own. Where and how will you maintain your control over your own life when everything you have will ride on this one idea and should someone come up with something "more convenient" you now become history. There is only one way you can be great and still command your destiny. Abandon, do not expect acclamations or riches. You will be free to enjoy both the thankful world and also the financial rewards, but you will also enjoy your continued freedom to be your own man. Just ask SM. He knows very well what I am talking about.
So please, spare me the lectures on market forces. What about my life, my freedom, my want to just help others live a better life. Bah, what's the use. Each his own.
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You are neglecting the reality.
What reality you ask. It is simple. Those that are in the OU endeavor know that there are many ways to skin the proverbial OU cat, just like there are two sides of a road you can drive on. There are also many degrees of expertise levels in the devices that people are working on.
If you had a compact OU device that had 3 small coils, a transistor, a few small caps and a few resistors, and if this could be made my anyone with a soldering iron, that is one level. If the device requires 150 specially machined and calibrated parts that are not available off the self, that is another level and there are many levels in between.
But here is the reality in this OU endeavor.
Whatever you come up with, you then have a choice. You can try and keep your mouth shut while you go through all the patent process and expense. Or you can go public and just give it too the world. YES JUST GIVE IT TO THE WORLD. Either way, within 90 days it will be rendered obsolete because someone else will have lit their brain light and come up with an even better idea using some of your patented slants but different enough to say "No way buddy, this ones mine". lol
So you can blow the market horn all you want, the reality is even if you come up with a working device, expect to be rendered obsolete very quickly. This is the nature of the technological beast that is advancing not in small multiples but at an extreme exponential rate.
Hey, you can dream all you want about making it rich with OU but you are only kidding yourself. Patent, big deal, 17 years of protection. What's the use when you are rendered obsolete. How long did the 8-track cassette last? How many patents are just paper and never see the market? How many OU inventors are sitting at home wondering why the f*&k they signed with JoeBlow Corporation and now they are stuck for life.
Invent it. Give it too the world. While you do this, make it, sell it, sell your expertise to companies that want to make, what can be simpler then that.
What is the advantage of being the richest person in the cemetery. What is the advantage in sitting on the morning toilet bowl with a 400$ supper or a 10$ supper waiting to get out. (That's gross I know but we all do it every day.) Then what is the point of fighting with the impending "God Syndrome" and dealing with your entourage that will suffer from Gold Fever. You think these are just stories. This is the reality and we are only men, surrounded by other men, all with their own interests.
Who can say I, myself, with my own reliance on my own mind and my own ideas have come up with this OU device. What about all the backs you have walked on to get to where you are. Did all those that helped you learn what you know ask for their cut. NO. We all walk on the backs of the great that have come before us. No one can say they have a "absolutely new" idea. All such ideas will forcibly have and/or pull from all of what has been done before us.
Then there is the OU time warp, where we think we are living in an advanced society but in OU reality, we are just about to enter the age of the Model-T. The beginning of OU will be a time of great change and OU advancement that will exponentially be great. So where are you supposed to get your kicks when you know you just signed with a big investor and this now means you can now longer hold your own ideas as your own. Where and how will you maintain you control over your own life when everything you have will ride on this one idea and should someone come up with something "more convenient" you now become history. There is only one way you can be great and still command your destiny. Abandon, do not expect acclamations or riches. You will be free to enjoy both the thankful world and also the financial rewards, but you will also enjoy your continued freedom to be your own man. Just ask SM. He knows very well what I am talking about.
So please, spare me the lectures of market forces. What about my life, my freedom, my want to just help others live a better life. Bah, what's the use. Each his own.
So basically....
"Give up on trying to profit from things you invent because someone else will improve it"
....thats not really how it works.
You also dont just sign with one company and thats it.... you CAN do that...or you can do MANY other things (such as selling the rights to many different companies).
Trying to manufacture and sell little units yourself is just so trivial its not even worth it. Why spend your time inventing something new? Why not just make some TV's or something that look different and are custom made? You would probably make more doing that anyway heh.
How do you think people who patent ideas get rich? Why doesnt everyone just rip them off by changing a few things? Why didnt the guy who made the post-it note get ripped off? Why didnt the person who developed the batteryless wacom pen tablet get ripped off? ,,,,, Patents are a little harder to break than you think....
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@wattsup
Yeah!
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nice seeing you stand up monkey and wattsup!
mine works also ....
hey with little effort it is selfsustaining :P 8)
from a aaa battery it will power my 50lbs pulse motor wich i have gear boxes i will run off the axel to power bigger generators or maybe put it in a CAR!!!! ;D
YOU ALL DECIDE
@ z want a job? ;) lol a big one :)
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No, you are putting words in my mouth.
You are talking about inventing a new Rubic's Cube, or a new Toaster, or a new medical device or whatever useful thing will have a regular market potential. You are trying to equate such normal business activities with the advent of OU.
What we are working on is bigger then any one worldwide corporation can handle. Bigger then any one simple minded inventor could even start to realize the importance and the total implications go so way above any one persons head that if you try and control it, your head will simply bust from the pressure.
You're talking about rudimentary product development and marketing. Wrong league. I know very well what that side is. I have done it all my life. Big deal. It will not work with OU devices because the market forces are just tooooooooo great.
You can't sign with ABC company, because this will knock out their competitor DEF, GHI and JKL company who also have world importance in the market. Then there are all the other problems. You cannot sign with a Jewish company otherwise you cannot get into the Arab countries.
So you sign with Ford and they decide to keep all the other car companies out of the loop. You sign with GE and Westinghouse just got shafted along with 60% of the world's market. You sign with anyone and all you are doing is limiting yourself, because they WILL INSIST ON CONTROLLING YOU. For what. For a few bucks. Nahhhhhhhh. No thanks. I'm my own boss and I know that if I give this to the world, ALL THE WORLD, then ALL will use it just as I intended. Even the small village chief in Africa will have his first light bulb in his Center Square.
So again, No thanks. But nice try.
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If i came up with a free energy device i would not bother patent it because the device would just collect dust anyways.
Anyways i would go onto someones wireless network far away from where i live, upload whatever to a free website host so they can not track you there well yea sure it will be simple looking webpage but getting the message across is what i would care about, then i would put step by step instructions with pictures and likely youtube videos as well as telling where it would not work and where it would work.
This is to help novice builders learn from your actions on youtube and we all know action is louder than words as well as raiseing confidence, i would reveal every aspect of it as much as i can to blow doubt out, best of all is if it is inexpensive and simple enough to build.
Then whoever builds it and if i was 100% sure then i would not be alarmed as in wasting his time.
I would not give a crap if someone would copy it and patent it them selfs, all i care about is people building it for them selfs or maybe someone close to them and sure how the hell who mib know who built it?
And yea i would be happy selling electric :).
Sorry if i derailed this.
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You can't sign with ABC company, because this will knock out their competitor DEF, GHI and JKL company who also have world importance in the market. Then there are all the other problems. You cannot sign with a Jewish company otherwise you cannot get into the Arab countries.
So you sign with Ford and they decide to keep all the other car companies out of the loop. You sign with GE and Westinghouse just got shafted along with 60% of the world's market. You sign with anyone and all you are doing is limiting yourself, because they WILL INSIST ON CONTROLLING YOU. For what. For a few bucks. Nahhhhhhhh. No thanks. I'm my own boss and I know that if I give this to the world, ALL THE WORLD, then ALL will use it just as I intended. Even the small village chief in Africa will have his first light bulb in his Center Square.
You dont need to give exclusivity when you allow someone to use your patent....
Sign with company A, B, C, D, E, F...and whoever else. They all give you money and all develop technologies around your base patent. Some might make a small battery for home use? Some might make large scale energy companies for powering cities? Some might make personal generators for houses and businesses? Some might make camping units? .....however they wish to apply it. Theres a lot of room for "energy" in terms of company options....
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lltfdaniel1, I agree with you 100%. A patent is a waste of time. Any smart company will change a small portion of your patent and start selling units. You will spend the rest of your life and all of your money fighting it in court. I would also send it out to everyone for free. If industries want to pick it up and start selling it, so be it. Some people may be able to make their own unit and some may need to buy it. If it is a very good system hopefully many companies will pick it up and sell them. This would make the unit cost drop from the competition between the companies.
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Shit another long post. lol
I'm really riled up on this subject.
Wrong again.
Here you go talking about a toaster again. You are not dealing with toaster manufacturers selling them know-how on a new heart shaped or other shaped toasting pattern. (Hey...... not a bad idea. lol)
You remind me of those living in a LalaLand of miraculous marketing savvy thinking you have the answer to OU in the marketplace. Marketing and the corporate credo has given itself the right to lie, cheat and even kill each other and us. It sells us all our vices and it generates greed among the holders. Nothing like that will help an OUer. lol
Signing with A will take time, then signing with B while A is now already on the ball will simply put your life at extreme risk (BAD MOVE) because A will want to have it ALL for themselves. Actually C and D will already be making plans to abduct you and G really does not want you to succeed and are planning to eliminate A and B along the way just to tighten up loose ends. All this because as soon as you start trying to license, the cat will be out of the bag and one by one the dogs will start hounding you.
Basic Business Mentality - whatever it takes to make the shareholders happy. You will have so many greedy corporates salivating at the though of controlling this for their own gain. But you can't blame them because their Mommy and Daddy where like that also. It's NORMAL.
During all this time, all the people you told of this "thing-you-have" are in the know and become a source of constant paranoia. Did I say too much? Can I trust this guy? What happens if they pull the plug? Am I really protected? SM again showed that this is a common occurrence of paranoia and distrust. Not a good way to live.
Now if you spend 1 week looking at all the angles you will soon realize that open source is the only way.
The simple fact is that the ONLY REAL OU or FE device that Human Kind will ever know will be the one that is GIVEN as Open Source. Any singular corporate endeavor will fail because you will then be thrown into the lions den of standard business practice and their trained academic puppets and legal vultures. If you don't make a business of it, they can't get you business wise. That's one hell of a problem solved.
Example: Joe the plumber. No, wrong guy. Joe the Coiler. He has it. He wants the big cash. He shows it to A, but A says he is wiling to put in some big bucks but what are you going to put into it. So Joe mortgages his home to put some greenbacks in while the money guy really pours in the cash. Once the device is up and running greedy A will find loop holes in the agreements that he will use to make the company fail while still holding on to the technology because after all the major money they poured into it, they consider it is theirs. This will be held up in courts for years and years and meanwhile, you will not be able to do squat with the device.
OK, so mortgage your home and do it yourself. Impossible. You will never succeed. The work involved in simply expanding the knowledge will prohibit you from wasting your time drilling holes, unless if you are giving a seminar on how to make some of the parts at a large metal shop with 50 potential corporate users invited from all over the world. You could be doing this for weeks, with 50 new users every day. All Open Source, but you won't have time to fiddle around drilling holes and you do take generous donations. lol
So don't try this as a singular business. Make it into an Open Source Foundation and use xx% of what comes in to help those in need. You guys don't get it.
Imagine this. Going the business route means stay in one water molecule, while you're swimming in a pitcher of water. Eventually you will become a bacteria or colloid, sticking together growing this way and that and finally forming a weird shaped stringy organism that could be locally neutralized at any moment. That's the business.
Now Imagine going Open Source. You're in the pitcher of water but you are everywhere as if you put in a drop of iodine. Iodine is good cause the bad guys don't last. lol
So you have this stringy thing that is clobbered from all sides pushing and pulling on your every heart and soul, every time you make a business move you are risking everything, or, you have this harmonious generalized momentum and no one can stop you because you are everywhere and everyone else will not want you to be harmed.
Those in power that will want this technology to flourish will quickly learn to hold the betrayers of our fellow man at bay and the inventor will be protected.
Inventors Protection and Neutrality - Stay humble and don't be a Smart ASS.
As the inventor, you will insist to all interested companies, etc., that you will not partake or tolerate that any company discuss with you any fields of activity other then the device itself. No talking about secrets or other parallel corporate endeavors, etc. Since you will be speaking to everyone, you will never need to know anything deeper then level 1. Actually you should only be talking to techies and corporate technology specialists. If you know nothing of everyone, you can speak with everyone. You are there to expand the knowledge and teach others to expand the knowledge. You are a disinterested and neutral entity with only one intent. One day you talk to one side, the next day you may be talking to another side. You have no preference in nationality or party. Only an exceptional OUer will survive such scrutiny. A favored trait and something to practice in your spare time - Impartiality. The universal magnet. No corporate Bimbo would survive this.
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.
Affirmation that everyone should say once a day.
"Thank you Universe for our Free Energy that you have given us, in a just and perfect manner."
Very simple again.
The corporate charters have over pushed their bounds. A major shareholder blames you because you did not stop so and so technology from ruining that corporation, because such a lack to act goes against their charter. The importance of this right to survive is so great that they have given themselves the illusionist rights to sequester and inhibit advancement.
IT IS AN UNWRITTEN RULE OF ANY CORPORATE CHARTER TO ENSURE ALL NECESSARY MEANS TO STAY AFLOAT. BIG FUCK'IN DEAL. SO YOU'RE IN BUSINESS. WHAT ELSE IS NEW. NOW GET READY TO FOLD. SORRY IT HAPPENS. BUT WE WILL HAVE A MILLION MORE AND BETTER JOBS IN OTHER FIELDS, MORE ADVANCED AND LESS POLLUTING USING FE.
The excuses for Military Means will be pointless. Global Terrorism is bullshit. It's really called localized crime aggrandized to serve the power holders. You won't even need the military anymore because people will have a hard time finding things to fight about. Everyone will have a better life. Cleaner, less of a concoction spewed by our very friendly mass media (oh yeh, oh yeh) and more aligned with common knowledge and common law. Don't be a prick and I won't bash your face in attitude.
You think you as an inventor can hold one multinational at bay, imagine all multinationals. Corporations that have given themselves rights via their grand standings at Lincoln's feet while fattening the bellies of our Valiant Leaders. (Bush not included in the valiant category but that's just me - lol.)
You underestimate what you are trying to control if you think a little smart ass EEin, CWin, CMin Pulse Head will control all of this. Bull man. Just go Open Source. Send preliminary copies for review to some trusted friends. Register Mail a copy to yourself. Send one to your Grandma. Tell her I said Hi. Then post it open source. Screw the rest. This I will do when I have it. (But I don't have a Grandma anymore so I'll send a copy to my Mom instead.) What we need is a known method of dispatch, a Guide on How to Disclose Open Source Devices and Knowledge (and live to talk about it - lol). Unlimited Edition. lol
It is very simple. The more we can expose, the less will be hidden and the more we will be Freeeeeeeeee.
LAST point on this subject from wattsup.
How much money is enough for an OUer to be able to live a decent existence for himself and his family. 1 million, 10 million, whatever. It's all peanuts compared to all the good your invention will do for mankind. No money will ever be enough. So you have a choice. You can make your 10 million via the risky and treacherous business avenues like you are a football half back running with the ball trying to avoid being tackled or you can make the same 10 million going Open Source without the headaches and dangers. It's the same 10 million. No difference money wise. But one will risk sending you into the doldrums of hell while the other will ensure you are revered by all mankind as an exceptional humanitarian. So you decide. For me the answer is simple. Open Source.
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Hahaha, wow your one of "those" ? ....all big business is evil and the government is trying to kidnap you for alien experiments?
Yea, you want to have a plan on how to introduce it...who to go to...what deals to make... but its not all cloak and daggers as you think. Do you have ANY experience in this? Or is all your knowledge from movies?....
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All I say is "Screw patents, and screw the money", I only in it for the science, and just for the fun of it. Even if I never succede in making a F.E machine, at least I would have had fun in trying. ;D
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All I say is "Screw patents, and screw the money", I only in it for the science, and just for the fun of it. Even if I never succede in making a F.E machine, at least I would have had fun in trying. ;D
Building a FE Device is just an excuse to use my power tools and soldering iron...
We shall build and they will come, uh.. watch us.. use power tools...
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Hahaha, wow your one of "those" ? ....all big business is evil and the government is trying to kidnap you for alien experiments?
Yea, you want to have a plan on how to introduce it...who to go to...what deals to make... but its not all cloak and daggers as you think. Do you have ANY experience in this? Or is all your knowledge from movies?....
im not being rude wattsup but i must agree to a point here
i dont have enough experience at this altho i never did with fe devices 3 years ago eather ;)
lol i will learn as will we all
indeed there is far more to this puzzel than thought at first glance ..
for the record all my basic work is OPENSOURCE...
WHOS FAULT IS IT IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT .... 8)
peace out ....
anyone know what a multipass is ?.
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@random
Why come on this website? This is a website for open sourcing ideas, and having a bit of fun at the same time. You wanna make money, go and invest in gold. You wanna save mankind, meet some nice folks, and have a bit of a laugh with some power tools, you come on OU.com.
Why on Earth would anyone come here just to say - ''if i build a device i aint telling any of you guys what it is, or how it works''. Its like saying to someone ''I've got a secret, but im not telling''. Its just childish in my humble opinion. ::)
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All very good points. I have wondered if such a topic would result in constructive or a destructive direction. As the size of the subject $ value is beyond comprehension with world wide impact that will touch each every person for the next 100 yrs. I don't for see the making $ aspect being such a problem. It will trickle down to the benefit of everyone except those who want complete control to limit the use for large profit or to prevent squashing the money handlers already in place who are putting the world into a debt that will out live our great great grand children. You can't use the argument it will fobar the current economy because that is already a complete cluster f--k nor is it sustainable.
FE will never be excepted as long as there is a way to profit and control other means to provide energy to consumers that can be made to "appear" a limited commodity. Even finding a way to mass produce a FE device will prove to be harsh lesson. Most manufacturers will not want to get involved,at least the larger ones who will be very quick to assess the impact it will have on there own standing in the business community. They have need to rely on banks to operate who in turn have money lent out to existing corporations whom you wish to undermine. How long will it take these mental giants to figure out your vision will end their future monetary gains in the energy related businesses like oil and nuke coal used world wide. You can argue all you want about all the new jobs it will create and how they will be towards a better future. But that will not be the be how it is presented to the plant supervisor or the plant employees by the company owner who's business will vanish. It wont be the spin the banks put on it who will lose all future revenues they presently have leveraged against the energy commodities to their stock holders. The MIB wont have to lift a single finger or spend a penny on your demise. You'll have the biggest fattest bulls eye painted on your forehead that anyone has ever seen. You'll be killed by a normal everyday Joe who's family fortune was lost to your vision or a guy who's unemployment has ran out and now can't feed his family. It wont matter to him your good intentions are for a better future. You just wiped his future out how is that better for him. What of all the gov jobs that are payed for through taxes? One in five jobs in the US is gov related. How many of them will be cut to the loss of tax revenues and the secondary jobs for the people who help support those people with goods and services. None of you appear insane enough to jump on a grenade just for shits and giggles, not so far.
If you dont have a real plan how to implement such a change over you dont have any chance at all. Nor will any large corporation.
When Telsa introduced ac power it was primarily for lighting and the companies he had to fight were little shit box lamp oil and natual gas companies.He almost failed because the banks had put so much money into the dc power system and the shit box gas and lamp oil companies in the then developed countries. Lamp oil was shipped via the ocean shipping industry which was financed by banks.Dc power equipment manufacturing financed by banks.
Aside form whether or not anyone has big enough balls or is completely insane enough to die just for fun of seeing what it feels like.
Why follow a failed path? Keep it small keep it underground. Like satilite TV hacking ,not everyone is doing it but it's wide spread enough to keep it alive. Make a modest return and give the world time to catch up. If enough people do it spread out all over the world you can't kill it you cant completely stop it and eventually businesses will adjust to it and find revenues in others places.
If you want to save the world teach the world to live a simpler standard of living requiring less of the world resources.Make being a pig a bad thing.Then there will be enough for everyone. Just another opinion.
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Crewman, get a hold of your self...
It's not like this is going to happen in a twinkling of an eye...
These things happen gradually, its not going to be a horrific experience...
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@Random
You are making a habit of it. Wrong again?????????
And again you are putting words in my mouth. I never said "all big business is evil and the government is trying to kidnap you for alien experiments?" Nothing in what I said above would even infer such a conclusion.
As for my C.V. it is mine and it is long enough with all the business experiences to know what I am talking about, especially working with inventors and seeing these things first hand.
I'll say it again. Put your toaster away and get with the program. OU devices are not your regular product and their marketing cannot be done in the traditional distribution channels or licensing methods which have killed so many corporations for regular products, imagine an OU device marketed by an inventor that will eventually render one part of the economy irrelevant and build new industries for the next many many years. This is not your run of the mill widget which you seem to confuse. You are not exposed to the same countering, competitive and national interest powers when marketing your widget as compared to an OU device. These are powerfull economic entities that have stooped lower then low for far smaller reasons. So please, spare me the personal insults and keep with the program.
I always try to find what a new Member can do for the Forum if they are not directly involved in the actual R&D end of it. So......... if you have any experience in marketing maybe you can help here by working to develop a means of worldwide disclosure dispatch that I was referring to by identifying all the appropriate e-mail addresses of OU Forums, Business Forums, Corporations, Governments, Politicians, Utilities, Agencies including the CIA, in brief, the biggest mailing list possible to dispatch a disclosure to all parties, all over the world, all at the same time. That is the only way it can be done. Just posting it on overunity.com will not do. It has to go everywhere, all major universities, militaries, associations, you name it, they need to have a copy. No one can feel left out of the loop, not even an EE professor in a Zambian University, so no one will feel vindictive that you are playing favoritism. That list is no small task. Maybe you and some others lurking around here can do it in your spare time while we continue to wind our coils. You can continue this thread in that line of thinking. That would be a positive endeavor for OU.
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nice wattsup !!
but im still wateing to have our little chat!
monkey no answer eather .... hummmm
so be it ....
i know what i have made i know how it works and im discovering as i go WHY IT WORKS... so
the whole world wants something .....but what does the world need ...??
free engery ????? so the fat people get fatter and the lazy get lazyer .... and the rich get richer ... NAW!!
they need unedstanding ...... :)
and perfected devices THAT ARE 100% SAFE IN EVERY SENCE ...
for this reason I HAVE FORMED A TEAM! of many minds perhaps THE BEST IN THIS FEILD....... IN THE WORLD ;)
my garbage is here basic stuff........ to hopefully allow others to gain some understanding .....
now i do realize my words are kinda backward but .... i had to reverse engineer the tpu to gain any understanding in this feild ...
so basicly i will walk back ward to my goal ;)
what a way to learn..... learn the advanced stuff first then the simple is REALLY SIMPLE .... :P
ist....
calling OVERUNITY INVENTORS .... :)
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mine works also ....
So do you have a schematic for your device?
1 AAA battery powering a 50 pound (torque?) motor?
hey with little effort it is selfsustaining :P 8)
Isn't that adding energy to the system?
Frankly I have too much on my plate now...
But, curiously, what is the job...
OK, Mo Later...
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let a single charge of cap 1 be first considered 8)
you can not imagine my plate.....
let alone the rest of it ;)
any ways this aint the place to talk of this......
my pulse motor is at the cnc mills... it will have MUCH TORQUE.... and i only need the battery for the first charge the first time EVER...
from there it is alwyas ready to go i have 2 gear boxes to run the mechinical torque off of ... 8)
nevermind all the rest of it ..... i took motion out of this style unit LONG AGO aswell :)
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I read this from time to time to get focused
http://freeculture.org/manifesto/ (http://freeculture.org/manifesto/)
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Nice thread topic. I was just thinking about this.
It seems there are a lot of people who don't feel sufficiently satisfied that it's impossible. I was just thinking that the key to getting it right is in some good software. I have software skills but don't know about motors. Also, the software itself would be a big project and need contributors.
I also would like to get rich but it seems there's a lot of people who are working on the same thing so maybe this is too much for one man to lift. In the sense of getting it done, software is the answer I think. And I don't want to work on such a program by myself to get rich, I'll die poor!
Anyway, I should post a new thread about software, otoh I feel like a knuckle head on the subject because I don't know motors. I'll try to read through the posts though.
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Ok...I dont get it....why would anyone GIVE an overunity invention away? A person holding the patent to such a thing would be able to get BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars. Thats money for every idea you would ever have in your life......with the best equipment....with experts to back you up....or whatever else your dream might be.
Holding the patent doesnt mean people wont be able to use it. You can still make it widely available and sell rights to lots of different companies to use it and start pushing products. Energy would be amazingly cheaper and the world would be better....you dont need to give it away for that to happen.
So, again, why would anyone give this away? Thats the main reason I keep my ideas to myself, patents and legal rights are tricky, the last thing i want is someone rushing to the offices before me and getting all the rights.
What you don't understand is that 10000s of this stuff has been suppressed by the goverment.
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Tesla patents > 1894
Colorado Notes
RESONANCE
Pendulum
Synchronized impulses
Accumulation of power
The method of extraction a tiny bit
in fact base knowledge is already public domain
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#Section_4
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Wow, wow wow. I have never seen one person spam so much with absolutely nothing to say. You always allude to something incredible without ever showing a finished product. For years you have had the worlds greatest widget, but never once has such a device ever been shown by you. Im sure you will retort with several examples of devices you have shown, which have absolutely no basis in reality, which have been "measured" in some strange way with inadiquate equipment, and accompanied by some ill thought out explanation and your assurance that it is the shit.
If you stop opening your mouth with every little half thought out blurb that came to mind, Im sure you would find that people would actually listen once in a while. Notice that 90 percent of your posts (maybe more) go without answer because they are more like a continuous train of thought from your mind rather than a message with intent or purpose.
People who are respected, open their mouths when they have something profound to say.
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and apperently you just open yours ... :D
i know damm well what i persue ...
lol
and it is clear you do not!
i can always give you another spinn in my wheel if you like .... ;)
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I know this thread is almost 1 year old but do any of you know of someone who is a member of this forum that has actually made some device that worked as claimed and put ALL THE DETAILS AND SCHEMETICS AND PICTURES on the forum so others could build it if they are capable? I have sure wondered this.
;)
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I know this thread is almost 1 year old but do any of you know of someone who is a member of this forum that has actually made some device that worked as claimed and put ALL THE DETAILS AND SCHEMETICS AND PICTURES on the forum so others could build it if they are capable? I have sure wondered this.
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i believe i have done that!....it seems like every day there are more people building my devices and getting the SAME results.....i hope that harvey and jetijs will get their devices working!....i will do whatever i can to help....PS...your device is ready to mail....i sure do hope bruce is OK....i will email him...david
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Hi folks, wow, great friggin thread, especially the comments from wattsup. Not sure how I missed this thread. For my 2 nuggets, to put it even more simplistically, excess energy devices do exist and the main reason it's not in the hands of all humanity is the intermediary third party tool called money, no matter if this so called money is backed by something of value or not. All the other variables are just the effects from this main system of control called 'money'. Eventually all will see this simple truth.
Hi David, I'm curious to know what this device is of yours, thanks.
peace love light
Tyson
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I know this thread is almost 1 year old but do any of you know of someone who is a member of this forum that has actually made some device that worked as claimed and put ALL THE DETAILS AND SCHEMETICS AND PICTURES on the forum so others could build it if they are capable? I have sure wondered this.
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people are lazy.
they tend to store it on their harddisk and forget about it.
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Hi folks, wow, great friggin thread, especially the comments from wattsup. Not sure how I missed this thread. For my 2 nuggets, to put it even more simplistically, excess energy devices do exist and the main reason it's not in the hands of all humanity is the intermediary third party tool called money, no matter if this so called money is backed by something of value or not. All the other variables are just the effects from this main system of control called 'money'. Eventually all will see this simple truth.
Hi David, I'm curious to know what this device is of yours, thanks.
peace love light
Tyson
......you can google lambright energy device, and find other forums and videos or see; a new kind of visible ridiant energy? on this forum...as far asTBKs question, i did not post every thing on the forum but there are more and more successful replications ...david