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utilitarian · « **Reply #45 on:** January 04, 2009, 05:41:13 PM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 04, 2009, 05:26:09 PM

No, I am not dancing around. I can prove that it produces a DC voltage across a load. A DC voltage across a load equates to power. You are asking me to prove a negative, that it is not caused by other means.

This is too funny that the day has arrived when a *passive* diode array produces up to 0.2mV DC and conventional scientists tells me to prove that it violates conventional physics! LOL

Hello!!!! Do you think it's normal for diodes to produce 0.2mV DC inside an appropriate oil bath while inside 2 layers of metal shields in various rural locations???

PL

I believe that you can produce voltage. I just suspect that you are capturing ambient heat energy, ultimately coming from the Sun, and you are cooling your environment as you do so, though perhaps not measurably, as the Sun is able to restore the heat you drain quicker than you can measure any loss. All this is in conformance to known laws. Until you show otherwise, the 2nd Law stands, whether your device produces power or not.

utilitarian · « **Reply #46 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:41:24 PM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 04, 2009, 05:31:35 PM

Maybe I should just tell the world to go shove it and let you people continue polluting the planets air, destroying species, and the endless junk humanity is so good at. Hide your heads in your dirt holes while you dream up excuses to ignore the obvious.

PL

Plenty of people are working on solar, wind, hydro power solutions. Show how yours is superior. Right now, you cannot, and until you can, no one who matters is going to take notice. The very real possibility of the situation is that what you have is inferior to solar. Your efforts to garner support for your theory are commendable, but is completely understandable if no one takes up the banner. Maybe you should take your own idea further before expecting others to invest time and money into it.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #47 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:41:30 PM »

Quote from: utilitarian on January 04, 2009, 05:41:13 PM

I believe that you can produce voltage. I just suspect that you are capturing ambient heat energy, ultimately coming from the Sun, and you are cooling your environment as you do so, though perhaps not measurably, as the Sun is able to restore the heat you drain quicker than you can measure any loss. All this is in conformance to known laws. Until you show otherwise, the 2nd Law stands, whether your device produces power or not.

According to conventional physics, diodes convert *temperature gradients* into DC, not ambient heat. There must be a gradient. Where is that temperature gradient coming from?

PL

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #48 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:44:38 PM »

Quote from: utilitarian on January 04, 2009, 06:41:24 PM

Plenty of people are working on solar, wind, hydro power solutions. Show how yours is superior. Right now, you cannot, and until you can, no one who matters is going to take notice. The very real possibility of the situation is that what you have is inferior to solar. Your efforts to garner support for your theory are commendable, but is completely understandable if no one takes up the banner. Maybe you should take your own idea further before expecting others to invest time and money into it.

Who are you kidding? Passive diodes heavily shielded in an oil bath in rural areas are not supposed to produce a DC voltage across a load. Solar doesn't work during the night. Solar does not work well at all when there are clouds in the sky. Solar does not work indoors. According to my calculations based on the best available small signal semiconductor physics, a heavy doped n-InSb Palladium Schottky diode with a contact area of 30nm x 30nm would produce over 4100 watts/m^2. Compare that to solar cells with a yearly average in Sunny California of 17 watts/m^2. No comparison. Diode array chips will work anyplace, mobile, stationary in complete darkness.

Utilitarian, I think you're working too hard to debunk this. You have not said anything to disprove it. Fact still remains that my diode array produces a DC voltage across a load and no scientists has shown any math or experiments that explain it away with conventional physics. Your claims that it is heat source (temp gradient) from the Sun is just a claim. In the science community that is called handwaving. I have done the math, and your temp gradient idea is false, it does not explain my diode array. Do you have another explanation?

PL

utilitarian · « **Reply #49 on:** January 04, 2009, 07:33:39 PM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 04, 2009, 06:44:38 PM

Who are you kidding? Passive diodes heavily shielded in an oil bath in rural areas are not supposed to produce a DC voltage across a load. Solar doesn't work during the night. Solar does not work well at all when there are clouds in the sky. Solar does not work indoors. According to my calculations based on the best available small signal semiconductor physics, a heavy doped n-InSb Palladium Schottky diode with a contact area of 30nm x 30nm would produce over 4100 watts/m^2. Compare that to solar cells with a yearly average in Sunny California of 17 watts/m^2. No comparison. Diode array chips will work anyplace, mobile, stationary in complete darkness.

Utilitarian, I think you're working too hard to debunk this. You have not said anything to disprove it. Fact still remains that my diode array produces a DC voltage across a load and no scientists has shown any math or experiments that explain it away with conventional physics. Your claims that it is heat source (temp gradient) from the Sun is just a claim. In the science community that is called handwaving. I have done the math, and your temp gradient idea is false, it does not explain my diode array. Do you have another explanation?

PL

I have a solar calculator that works indoors. Can your device produce enough power to run a calculator? Show us a practical application, and someone might take notice. I cannot understand why you won't do this.

You say you can theoretically produce 4100 watts over a square meter, well, what's stopping you? If you can get access to $100K from friendly investors, why don't you get it and make this happen?

And I think you have it backwards. Of course no scientist has done the math to disprove your theory. No scientist cares. Even on this board, where you would get the most sympathy, I am the only one engaging you in any serious discussion, and I am a skeptic. Show a practical application, and someone might take you seriously.

There have been thousands before you at the stage you are now, thinking they have something but then unable to make anything useful out of it. So it's hard to get excited. Make your device run a simple calculator, then a cell phone, then a computer, then a desklamp, and you will have the whole world talking.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #50 on:** January 04, 2009, 07:42:49 PM »

Quote from: utilitarian on January 04, 2009, 07:33:39 PM

Can your device produce enough power to run a calculator? Show us a practical application, and someone might take notice. I cannot understand why you won't do this.

I shouldn't have to show a scientist a device that generates usable amounts of power in order to prove the concept.

Quote from: utilitarian on January 04, 2009, 07:33:39 PM

You say you can theoretically produce 4100 watts over a square meter, well, what's stopping you? If you can get access to $100K from friendly investors, why don't you get it and make this happen?

Obvious answer. I've answered countless times.

Quote from: utilitarian on January 04, 2009, 07:33:39 PM

There have been thousands before you at the stage you are now, thinking they have something but then unable to make anything useful out of it. So it's hard to get excited. Make your device run a simple calculator, then a cell phone, then a computer, then a desklamp, and you will have the whole world talking.

Name one person who has shown the conventional mathematics and who the experiments to prove that it produces more power than consumed? You can't because nobody has done it yet, until now.

PL

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #51 on:** January 04, 2009, 07:47:00 PM »

You know, before I built the diode array, the skeptics and scientists said it would produce zero volts DC across a load. Before I built the diode array, I made a prediction that when I proved it produces a DC voltage across a load that the skeptics would change their tune to "Make it produce usable amounts of power." So what's the next step? When I complete the semiconductor fabrication equipment, and successfully build a diode array chip, will I just get a bullet in my head?

PL

Liberty · « **Reply #52 on:** January 04, 2009, 07:47:03 PM »

Quote from: utilitarian on January 04, 2009, 06:41:24 PM

Plenty of people are working on solar, wind, hydro power solutions. Show how yours is superior. Right now, you cannot, and until you can, no one who matters is going to take notice. The very real possibility of the situation is that what you have is inferior to solar. Your efforts to garner support for your theory are commendable, but is completely understandable if no one takes up the banner. Maybe you should take your own idea further before expecting others to invest time and money into it.

What Utilitarian is telling you is that companies want a fully working device handed to them on a silver platter. The companies want you to handle all of the risk of development, and if you manage to come up with a miracle device, then they would be interested in throwing a small percentage of the amount of money that they will make off of your device your way.

My advice to you is to work for a company, getting a pay check to fund your device, and develop your device on your own. When you have it working, don't take it to companies. Take it to a manufacturer and offer them a percentage and you can then proceed to put those companies that were lazy, wanting a risk free ride, out of business.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #53 on:** January 04, 2009, 07:54:13 PM »

Quote from: Liberty

What Utilitarian is telling you is that companies want a fully working device handed to them on a silver platter. The companies want you to handle all of the risk of development, and if you manage to come up with a miracle device, then they would be interested in throwing a small percentage of the amount of money that they will make off of your device your way.

My advice to you is to work for a company, getting a pay check to fund your device, and develop your device on your own. When you have it working, don't take it to companies. Take it to a manufacturer and offer them a percentage and you can then proceed to put those companies that were lazy, wanting a risk free ride, out of business.

I appreciate the info and advice Liberty, but how much money would the middle eastern countries lose from such a "free energy" machine? You have heard of hit men, correct? You're aware their are a wide range of hit men, from the cheapos to the high tech mucho expensive. Albeit, there's always an associated risk of being caught, or even leaving a paper trail, but given the last moment, it's probably worth it to save ones trillions of dollars. People have been killed for far much less in the middle east. Although it may appear to be a glorious safe and happy world out there ... who am I kidding, look at the news, LOL. I would give maybe 0.00001% chance of a single person such as myself successfully marketing a "free energy" machine. Maybe an established company such as Sony could pull it off. Heck, maybe even a company such as Steorn could pull it off, but I doubt it.

PL

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #54 on:** January 04, 2009, 08:15:42 PM »

Quote from: Liberty on January 04, 2009, 07:47:03 PM

My advice to you is to work for a company, getting a pay check to fund your device, and develop your device on your own.

I forgot to add that your above advice is good, but it would take over $100000 to buy premade equipment. That may be the path I take, work a few years, save up, and dump a $100 grand, gulp. I have a few thousand dollars still left, which is supposed to be for living, car insurance, etc., but I'll spend maybe $1000 to build a home brew semiconductor fab setup, and see what happens. Buy a cheap welder, make my own diffusion pump, everything except for the rotary pump that Harbor Freight has for $70. I would much rather come up with the exact plans so that anyone could make their own diode array chips.

PL

utilitarian · « **Reply #55 on:** January 05, 2009, 12:27:54 AM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 04, 2009, 07:54:13 PM

I appreciate the info and advice Liberty, but how much money would the middle eastern countries lose from such a "free energy" machine? You have heard of hit men, correct? You're aware their are a wide range of hit men, from the cheapos to the high tech mucho expensive. Albeit, there's always an associated risk of being caught, or even leaving a paper trail, but given the last moment, it's probably worth it to save ones trillions of dollars. People have been killed for far much less in the middle east. Although it may appear to be a glorious safe and happy world out there ... who am I kidding, look at the news, LOL. I would give maybe 0.00001% chance of a single person such as myself successfully marketing a "free energy" machine. Maybe an established company such as Sony could pull it off. Heck, maybe even a company such as Steorn could pull it off, but I doubt it.

PL

That's just paranoia. You have already published the entire theory behind your device. Your website is unharmed. No one cares: not the bad guys, not the good guys. Why? Because there is no evidence of any free energy going on. By "free energy", I mean energy created from nothing.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #56 on:** January 05, 2009, 12:32:12 AM »

Quote from: utilitarian on January 05, 2009, 12:27:54 AM

That's just paranoia.

Says you. Fact: Hit men exist. Fact: Middle eastern countries have trillions to lose with a "free energy" machine. Fact: The middle east has been a hot bed for extreme violence for millenniums. What interest do you have in attempting to deny such facts. What interest do you have to spend so much of your time trying to debunk my research.

Quote from: utilitarian on January 05, 2009, 12:27:54 AM

Your website is unharmed.

Hammering a site is not a smart move. It's usually done by pranksters. Although I have had a big problem with data changing on my sites from the beginning, but that went away when I set up various traps. There's a note in one of my peswiki discussions made by a person saying that my data was missing. I've had countless problems with my data changing on my sites. IMO it's a dumb thing to do. Why would anyone want to be so dumb by taking a chance of being caught? They are basically shouting out their intent. I've been a system admin since 1997 on Unix servers. It wouldn't take me and my web hosting company much time to track down the source hammering the site. My stuff is also on Google servers. Google would be all over anyone trying to hammer their servers.

Quote from: utilitarian on January 05, 2009, 12:27:54 AM

No one cares: not the bad guys, not the good guys. Why? Because there is no evidence of any free energy going on. By "free energy", I mean energy created from nothing.

I never said the energy comes from nothing. The energy comes from ambient thermal energy. Please stop continually throwing in misinformation about my research. You know too well exactly what my claim is, that the energy comes from ambient thermal energy.

utilitarian · « **Reply #57 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:54:26 AM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 05, 2009, 12:32:12 AM

Says you. Fact: Hit men exist. Fact: Middle eastern countries have trillions to lose with a "free energy" machine. Fact: The middle east has been a hot bed for extreme violence for millenniums. What interest do you have in attempting to deny such facts. What interest do you have to spend so much of your time trying to debunk my research.

Hammering a site is not a smart move. It's usually done by pranksters. Although I have had a big problem with data changing on my sites from the beginning, but that went away when I set up various traps. There's a note in one of my peswiki discussions made by a person saying that my data was missing. I've had countless problems with my data changing on my sites. IMO it's a dumb thing to do. Why would anyone want to be so dumb by taking a chance of being caught? They are basically shouting out their intent. I've been a system admin since 1997 on Unix servers. It wouldn't take me and my web hosting company much time to track down the source hammering the site. My stuff is also on Google servers. Google would be all over anyone trying to hammer their servers.

I never said the energy comes from nothing. The energy comes from ambient thermal energy. Please stop continually throwing in misinformation about my research. You know too well exactly what my claim is, that the energy comes from ambient thermal energy.

My point is that you have published all this info on how to make your device, and you are not dead yet, and your site continues to post this trillion dollar information. There is really nothing more we need to know to make your device - you have posted it all. We just need to make it on a larger scale. So why is your site still up and why are you still alive? The damage you are doing is as large now as it will ever be. Why have they not suppressed you?

OK, if the energy is not from nothing, then there is a very finite limit to it. We cannot power things on a massive scale using ambient thermal energy. First of all, there is not that much of it, and second, we need thermal energy to live comfortably and not screw up the environment with wild temperature fluctuations. So I do not see how this thing of yours is of much use. I mean it would be nice if instead of air-conditioning my home, which costs energy, I could instead drain it of heat and produce energy. But I doubt there would be that much energy to gain from the process. And to violate the 2nd law, there would not be a drain from the hotter reservoir anyway, so maybe the device would not even be useful to cool the home.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #58 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:20:55 PM »

Quote from: utilitarian on January 05, 2009, 06:54:26 AM

My point is that you have published all this info on how to make your device, and you are not dead yet, and your site continues to post this trillion dollar information. There is really nothing more we need to know to make your device - you have posted it all. We just need to make it on a larger scale. So why is your site still up and why are you still alive? The damage you are doing is as large now as it will ever be. Why have they not suppressed you?

The answer is obvious, and should go without saying. Do I have a chip that proves it provides useful amounts of power. You already know the answer to that. So why are you trying to hard to debunk these simple facts. No offense intended, but you continually miss the obvious. You would never make a good private investigator, or FBI agent, etc. Grin

We'll never know with 100% certainty the answer until someone invents a "free energy" machine that will provide global free energy. Until then, please do not try to debunk simple facts -->

Again. Fact: Hit men exist. Fact: Middle eastern countries have trillions to lose with global "free energy." Fact: The middle east has been a hot bed for extreme violence for millenniums.

Quote from: utilitarian on January 05, 2009, 06:54:26 AM

OK, if the energy is not from nothing, then there is a very finite limit to it.

Ambient thermal energy comes from our Sun.

Quote from: utilitarian on January 05, 2009, 06:54:26 AM

We cannot power things on a massive scale using ambient thermal energy.

Yes we can. One small cubic meter of common matter on Earth has over 1 billion joules of ambient thermal energy. Water has significantly more. That is moot because such technology does not destroy or create ambient thermal energy, it merely moves it. Furthermore, the Sun sustains ambient thermal energy. A stacked diode array chip the size of a shoe box could power an entire company.

utilitarian, you're trying to hard.

PL

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #59 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:15:49 PM »

[sorry, removed double post]

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