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Author Topic: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite  (Read 69625 times)

Offline zpfe

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RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« on: September 22, 2008, 09:57:24 PM »
This is a continuation of the thread at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2586.0;topicseen

Dear Stephan,

You sound and write like a sincere guy. So, I’m going to be honest with you as well. I don’t run a sugar factory and hence I will not sugar coat it for you. The gloves are off!
I am no longer interested in documenting my fail attempts to verify other people’s claims. They should’ve provided scientific proof to their claims to begin with! It would be like me providing evidence that I am innocent! It doesn’t work that way. At least not as far as science is concerned.
 
This John Bedini is a scam artist. Tom Bearden is an old man who thinks the Chinese are out to get him with particle weapons!
Do a search “John Bedini scam” on Google and read through what others have to say about him.
All these people including Peter Lindeman and the rest of the so called “Free energy” researchers do this because there is money in it. They can make money giving useless mumbo-jumbo theories in free energy symposiums and lectures, video tape the lecture and sell the DVD on top of the fees they collect for giving the lectures. After all, they have 30+ years of experience and that counts for something, right?
While the rest of us report to work everyday and earn our paycheck the hard way (the honest way).
The signs are all there. This Radiant Energy is supposedly not registered in any conventional test equipment by their own admittance! But Bedini makes a showcase with his “h-Waves” showings on the scope in the “energy from the vacuum series” part #2 and a lot more inconsistencies I won’t go into at this time pending the outcome of the law suite.

I’ve thought a lot in the past few days about this subject based on my original post on your site and the private emails I've gotten.
The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that these people are sharks feeding on the hopes and dreams of the gullible and/or the uneducated.

It breaks my heart to see and hear the enthusiasm in the voices of these young hopeful men when watching their videos on youtube. I know they mean well but will not succeed and they will end up with broken hearts and dashed dreams. Although I never posted on youtube, I can relate to them. I want you young men to know that I care for you. Don’t be discouraged and put off by these con artists. They don’t represent the scientific minds. Study and go to school if possible to be able to see through crackpots like Bedini and alike by demanding scientific proof and recognizing the difference between truth and pseudo scientific explanations.

If this was any other field, I would bite my tongue and leave it alone as I have watching other scam unfold, and let nature sort it out. But since it has to do with free energy and at this critical stage of humanity, with so many young lives at stake, I can not, and will not standby and see our young and fruitful minds be wasted and raped from the true pleasure of discovery.
You see, these con-men are doing more harm than visible on the surface.
When a young man becomes infatuated by a cult leader like Bedini and other scammers, he dives in and wants to please himself and his pears with his accomplishments. He will post patriotic article, videos, etc to prove his worthiness to the clan and the cult leaders.
When this is all based on a hoax and a scam, sooner or later, he will have to face the bitter fact that his trials are not getting him anywhere. If he is lucky, he will realize this before his short life expires.
Even then, the bad taste in his mouth will prevent him from pursuing real and genuine free energy research. He might become a bitter old man or a bum as years go by!
I could go on explaining what detrimental effects these sorts of scams would have on the human psyche but I won’t and leave that for the court room. I think you and your readers are intelligent enough people to read between the lines.

This will not stand with me. I have decided to take these scammers head on and face the consequences. I’ve contacted a few attorneys in California to see if they would be willing to take on a class action law suit against Bedini, Bearden and Lindemann and I await their responses. It’s a start.
I am preparing documents to file with the US attorney general and a few national consumer watchdogs to see if there would be any way to stop these people before it gets out of hand.
Stephen, as I said before, I think you are doing a great service to this branch of science with your site. However, if you decide to censor me, I will have no choice but to consider you as “scammer sympathiser” and add you to the list of the “free-thinking” enemies. From your replies, I am sure this not to be the case. Worst case, I will post in other forums.

I am not some mentally ill looking for revenge. I bought all their DVD’s and books gathering evidence against them after their claims failed scrutiny and after I put in the work as directed and saw no results.
I purchased the renaissance charger RC-2A12 and reversed engineered it despite the fact that it was drowned in black potting epoxy to keep the prying eyes out. Thank God for my sand blaster!

There is NOTHING novel about this charger that you couldn’t buy on the Internet today that has not been available for over 30 years.

Stephan, here is what I need.
I need people who have experimented with devices of John Bedini, Tom Bearden and Peter Lindemann and have failed, to come forward and post their experiences. I may be able to get them compensation for their failed efforts even if they did not build units to the exact specifications.
@all: Please contact me using this public forum (to keep an open public record) if interested.
However, if you are one of these people’s cult members and want to protect your ideal leader, take this message to him.
“I am on to you”.
@cultmembers: Do what you must to discredit me and flame me all you want and I’ll do what I must to see your leaders convicted of fraud and hopefully behind bars where they belong.

Justice will be served one way or another…


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Offline chadj2

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2008, 10:39:55 PM »
I built a Bedini motor and the motor did exactly as he said it would do. I got mechanical rotation while simuiltaneously charging another set of batteries on the inductive spike that ordinarily is wasted. I also tested the Tesla switch and that worked as stated on his website as well. I dont think lindemann really put out any plans except his educated guess on how the Ed Gray tube worked. I will admit I havent tried that one. I know bearden did not put out any plans he seems like more of a theory type of guy. I am curious what results other people had with experimentation with these ideas.

Chad

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 12:32:08 AM »
I didn't believe any of this stuff until I decided that the only way to disprove it was to build one. I built a bedini motor and it worked very well.

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2008, 12:34:19 AM »
Ditto. The Bedini opened my eyes to the possibility of free energy. I chocked all this stuff up to conspiracy theories before I tried building his motor.

Chad

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2008, 01:27:05 AM »
Howdy Zpfe,

Hahahhhahahaaaahahaaa, class action suit against inventors, hahhahhahhaaahahahhaaaaaa.......
Son, you are barking up the wrong money tree.  Inventors are not wealthy.  If you want to make some money suing people you need to go after multinational corporations that have BILLIONS of dollars.  By the tone of you rant you are frustrated that your creative talents are not up to your imagination.  Many many people here have had at least a little success with the Bedini motor or other scenarios.  Zero point energy is going to power the future, that is obvious.  If you want to be part of it you should hone your constructive skills and spend your time studying electrical theory and not trying to sue people.  I am quite surprised that you haven't been banned here.  All of us fail when we first attempt something that has never been done.  You should not let your mediocre first attempt taint your attitude toward free energy in general.  Hahhhahhaaahahaha sue the inventors, hahhahhahhahhaaaahahhahaaa...........

Blessed Be...

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2008, 01:28:01 AM »
Howdy Zpfe,

Justice?  Hahhhahhahhahahhahhahhahaaaaahahahhaaaaaaaahahhahaaaaaaaaaa..........

So where is your schematic?  Do you have a picture of your circuit?  Any test data?

Blessed Be...

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Re: RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2008, 01:47:52 AM »
Ditto. The Bedini opened my eyes to the possibility of free energy. I chocked all this stuff up to conspiracy theories before I tried building his motor.

Chad

The energy gathered from the collapsing magnetic field of the coil is not "free energy", it is merely the energy stored by the magnetic field of the coil.

When you charge up a capacitor, it is storing energy as charge. and when you discharge it, you are only getting back what was stored. The same applies to an inductor. When you initially connect an inductor, the energy used to create the magnetic field is stored in that field. When you disconnect the inductor, the collapse of the magnetic field releases the stored energy.

Yes, you can charge a battery or run some other piece of circuitry with this stored energy, but you will never charge a battery at a greater (or even equal) amount of current than what the supply battery is providing.

The total mechanical torque of the motor plus the electrical energy of the output from the collapsing field, (and any additional separate pick up coils), when added together, is still less than the total electrical energy consumed by the motor.

This becomes very evident over the long term, when using two batteries of identical capacity. Use one for the circuit supply and one for charging. First discharge the battery that you are going to charge,  then use the other to charge it. Then reverse the batteries and do the same again. Repeat over and over. Eventually both batteries will go flat.

Bedini, Bearden and Lindemann try to tell the uneducated, that the energy from the collapsing field is "free" energy, when in fact it is only stored energy, which was put into the system in the first place by the supply battery.

I have, over the years, made over a hundred variations of the Bedini and Adam's motors, and whilst it was/is possible to make very efficient motors which recycle the energy stored in the driving coil, none exhibit any genuine O/U.

Cheers from Hoptoad

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2008, 01:57:10 AM »
I agree with you that it is the power stored in the inductor. But this stored energy is ordinarily wasted by clamping the motor coil to itself. I didnt know that that energy was of any use. I thought that it couldnt charge batteries since it was just a high voltage spike with very little current. Standard theory says that batteries only charge from actual electron flow and that voltage plays a very small part. In the case of the bedini motor the voltage seems to play the majority part and amperage a small part in the charging of the secondary batteries. I am not really going to quibble with bedini or those types as to whether it is "free energy" or not, but they initially opened up my eyes to bigger and beter things. I have since move quite a bit beyond those intro motors.

Chad

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 02:01:44 AM »
@zpfe

If you want to head a class action suit on something useful, please consider a class action suit against the US Government for stealing or confiscating free energy devices, information, etc., etc., including designs of Mr. Tesla himself, all under the guise of "national security" crapola.

You should sue the MIB and company for being responsible for the total stagnation of the free energy effort.

Guys like Bearden would be lucky to pay for one months rent a year with all they sell. Geez, give me break already.

What about suing those fat CEO's who are robbing the public blind with their grandiose salaries, all the while running the economy into the ground.

Guys like Bearden have a million times the intellect of those fat bastards, with barely the means to get by yet they persevere in spreading their knowledge any way they can afford to.

So yeh, I can understand you are trying to look out for these great brains on this forum who are only looking to help mankind in their own ways, but I really think you are running after the wrong turkey.

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2008, 02:07:32 AM »
I buildt a SSG some time ago, first it didn't seem to work because I felt too much temptation to correct the unconventional side of it. But after a while of bugging the guys at the monopole 3 yahoo group I got it working. And allready, it does some very interesting things.
The first thing was that it could charge batteries which a specially designed pulse battery charger couldn't even spot, and much less restore.
Second and allmost more interesting is that it work opposite to a normal motor/generator, or any kind of mechanical machine.
When you load the electrical output the motor speeds up, when you load it mechanically its amperage draw drops, and increases as the motor gains speed. Its pretty wierd and could probably be used in large scales to do heavy work for low power.

Now something funny which I just seemed to think of, it kinda reminds me of the Milkowic technology.
Because its just the same with his devise. In the pendulum/hinge situation, which in my mind is two completely seperated systems, the efficiency or power in the pendulum is highest when the load or resistiance (which is load) on the hinge is at the most, and  at the lowest efficiency when no power is drawn out of the hinge, thereby making the hinge move back and fourth from the weight-change of the pendulum.

Okey, I just wanted to mention this because I see that they have this effect in common, reversing the normal parallell between power and resistance, which normaly is universial in every system which deals with energy.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2008, 02:09:44 AM »
I agree with you that it is the power stored in the inductor. But this stored energy is ordinarily wasted by clamping the motor coil to itself. I didnt know that that energy was of any use. I thought that it couldnt charge batteries since it was just a high voltage spike with very little current. Standard theory says that batteries only charge from actual electron flow and that voltage plays a very small part. In the case of the bedini motor the voltage seems to play the majority part and amperage a small part in the charging of the secondary batteries. I am not really going to quibble with bedini or those types as to whether it is "free energy" or not, but they initially opened up my eyes to bigger and beter things. I have since move quite a bit beyond those intro motors.

Chad

The high voltage spike from the collapsing magnetic field still results in a small amount of current into a load. It is current not voltage that charges up the battery. Batteries are charge accumulators not voltage accumulators. A voltage (pressure) is still necessary however, to make the current flow.

In conventional circuits that use pulse width modulation to control the speed of a motor (such as electric trams, trains etc), the energy from the collapsing field is re-used. It is not re-used to charge up another circuit or battery, instead it is recirculated through the driving motor to add torque to the motor during the off period of the pulse. It is not wasted !

Cheers from Hoptoad

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2008, 02:30:28 AM »
Like I said Hoptoad I am not gonna argue as to whether it is free energy or not. You are free to believe that there is no such thing as free energy in your world I wont try to take that away from you. We will probably always disagree on the topic of free energy. The bottom line is that I am happy that Bedini, Beardon and Lindemann helped me to see things I would not have ordinarily looked at without their so called "scams".

Chad

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2008, 02:54:51 AM »
Like I said Hoptoad I am not gonna argue as to whether it is free energy or not. You are free to believe that there is no such thing as free energy in your world I wont try to take that away from you. We will probably always disagree on the topic of free energy. The bottom line is that I am happy that Bedini, Beardon and Lindemann helped me to see things I would not have ordinarily looked at without their so called "scams".

Chad
We are surrounded by free energy in the form of wind, sunshine, tidal, hydro-gravitic potential and geothermal energy. There may be all sorts of other "free" energy sources available to us, including ZPE, and with the correct technology we may be able to utilize them, but I don't rely on simple beliefs to validate their existence.

I prefer scientific investigation and hard evidence gathered together with empirical measurement. If you have learnt something from Bedini and Bearden et al, and you're happy with what you've learned, then good for you. I certainly don't want to take that away from you or any one else.

Cheers

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2008, 03:14:27 AM »
Ive argued with people like yourself before and it is fruitless. We can never come to a consensus. It is always claimed as measurement error or surface charge or some other thing. Never willing to "waste their time" actually doing the experiment. We most likely have completely different worldviews. I have a great distrust of governments and I have a great distrust of coorporations working in the best interest of all humanity. I also dont have such great faith in all of the theoretical science that we have placed on such a high pedestal. I have learned so much more through actual experimentation and reading very old electrical books from the late 1800s and early 1900s when scientists did actual experiments and published strange results. Also, keeping in mind the tremendous resistance to new ideas of the scientific establishment. So quick to write every claim off as a hoax. So the bottom line is that in my worldview I see these new ideas as having tremendous hurdles to get over and most likely their ideas will be killed one way or another even if they are valid. That is what got me to experimenting in the first place. So anyways we obviously see the world in completely different ways so the probability that we are going to agree is very low.

Chad

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2008, 03:33:50 AM »
Never willing to "waste their time" actually doing the experiment.
Chad
When I was young and impressionable, I believed in a lot of things, even when the hard evidence was lacking. Twenty years of actual hands on experimenting, investing thousands of hours of time, persistent labour and a significant amount of my own money has changed all that.

If you like learning about anomolous curiosities, perhaps you may wish to "do an experiment", like the one on page 10 of my website which was posted some time ago in response to calls for help from some of the other forum members who were experimenting with Adam's motors at the time.

http://www.totallyamped.net/adams

Cheers


 

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