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Author Topic: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors  (Read 26572 times)

Offline utilitarian

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2008, 10:45:34 PM »
Hey, if you two geniuses do not like our current laws of physics, feel free to write your own.  Then all you have to do is convince objects in the universe to obey, you and you will have your free energy.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2008, 12:44:06 AM »
@utilitarian

 Sorry but my IQ is only 139. That makes me a couple of points off of geniuses. LOL

As for changing the world of physics, I don't think it will be necessary. For once something is done, the deed will change the understanding and much more advancements will occur do to it.  We might even have it classed as a force converter to energy. This would be fine with me. The worst thing that can happen in life is the same thing that has happened with religions. People get so caught up in what is toughed, they sometimes can no see what is. In religion it has cause much sorrow in the past, but we have gotten better, or have we?

PS I have a graduates degree in theology. and I am talking about most religions. Even science is a religion but they try for much more facts.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2008, 05:43:48 AM »
@utilitarian

 Sorry but my IQ is only 139. That makes me a couple of points off of geniuses. LOL

As for changing the world of physics, I don't think it will be necessary. For once something is done, the deed will change the understanding and much more advancements will occur do to it.  We might even have it classed as a force converter to energy. This would be fine with me. The worst thing that can happen in life is the same thing that has happened with religions. People get so caught up in what is toughed, they sometimes can no see what is. In religion it has cause much sorrow in the past, but we have gotten better, or have we?

PS I have a graduates degree in theology. and I am talking about most religions. Even science is a religion but they try for much more facts.

Science is not a religion and is nothing like religion.  The key ingredient to any religion is faith.  Science requires no faith; on the contrary - the entire scientific method violently resists faith as much as possible.

As far as making advancements, well, advancements are good, but you are not going to advance anything by trying to find mistakes in elementary stuff that has been proved millions of times.  As an analogy, it is like a beginning mathematician trying to find flaws in 1+1=2, while his peers are working with differential equations.  If you want to make advancements, you need to work at the edge, where new theory is being developed.  But that takes a lifetime of study, I am afraid.

But back to your original question, you wanted to know the cons and pros of permanent magnet motors.  Well, there are no pros of using a permanent magnet in a motor.  What would be the point?  With an electromagnet, you can use electricity to turn a magnet on and off and create mechanical motion this way.  You cannot turn a permanent magnet off, so how is it useful in a motor?  Maybe as some sort of braking mechanism that needs to me shifted into place at the right time - I suppose someone can think of a semi-useful purpose - but in a typical motor, really have a hard time imagining why you would need one.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2008, 05:43:48 AM »
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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2008, 08:09:03 AM »
Science is not a religion and is nothing like religion.  The key ingredient to any religion is faith.  Science requires no faith; on the contrary - the entire scientific method violently resists faith as much as possible.
 

your postion is not like a very strong religion faith ?

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2008, 11:13:22 AM »
Science is not a religion and is nothing like religion.  The key ingredient to any religion is faith.  Science requires no faith; on the contrary - the entire scientific method violently resists faith as much as possible.



LOL, LOL

You don't understand religion. To put it simply it is simply what you believe in. You don't have to worship a god to be a religion. They have their books they thump and science has their books they thump. They both put down, and argue with those that don't believe the way they do. Science has been proven wrong so many time in history it is not even funny. Like man can not fly, ect ect ect. Does it make science wrong all together? Only a fool would say yes for science is a great thing but nay say is a bit over used in science. And when proven wrong it is a uphill battle just like fighting a god based religion .  So please don't take this wrong, but it is just human nature.

PS the effects can be turned on and off in a device by mechanical separation in a magnet wheel. Effects in and effects out, ect ect ect. 

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2008, 03:34:27 PM »
your postion is not like a very strong religion faith ?

No, every element of what I believe can be proven.  If new evidence came about contradicting my view, and this evidence was validated, I would change my view immediately.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2008, 05:43:37 PM »
quote author=utilitarian link=topic=5418.msg123428#msg123428 date=1219671267]
No, every element of what I believe can be proven.  If new evidence came about contradicting my view, and this evidence was validated, I would change my view immediately.
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(every element of what I believe)!!! Thump Thump

But until then you will continue to nay nay nay, until proven wrong. Just like I said, Human nature.

They only problem, and I do mean the only problem is, the nay say is also saying don't even try. That is when I have a problem with those people who don't want me to see it for myself. But what your are saying in (I would change my view immediately) is telling me that your views don't go past your books until a new book or edition is done. I am sure that is not exactly what is, but it is the way you are presenting your argument.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2008, 11:10:21 PM »
Lets go hypothetical. A 1ton magnet that has a constant strong draw. What do we know of today that can lift it and move it around without getting stuck on it?

why you guys are thinking about large magnets in big sizes? in case there will exist an OU-magnertmotor, producing 10kW of electric power, then this unit would not be such a large machine.

for larger energy it's practicable to connect an array of generators together. it's also better if you have to do any repairs on one of those unit's, without affecting the others in the array.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2008, 03:17:23 PM »
I think mike-ao hit the nail on the head.  Once we have a magnet motor that is capable of producing a usable amount of electricity, it should be fairly simple to upscale the power without using more powerful magnets.

You could increase the size of the wheel or drum to hold more stators and more arrays.  This would increase the power without having to use magnets so powerful they become difficult to work with.  Lets say you get a disc going and it produces 10K.  To get that disc to produce more power you would need to make the disc larger so it can hold more magnets to the disc and have room to add more stators around it.

Also, if someone gets a permanent magnet motor running, without having to add electricity to an electromagnet, and the powers that be fail to suppress it, I do not believe it will qualify as over unity.  Here is why; if we get one going then it will prove magnets can do useful work and hence are a source of power.  What should happen is that someone figures out a conversion of magnetism to electrical or mechanical power and applies that conversion to the magnet motor to figure out how much power is being used to power the motor.  I believe what we will find is that the output power is not as great as the power coming from the magnets.  But this is just my opinion, which counts for exactly nothing on this as I'm not qualified to argue my point.  lol.

Now for the big health question.  At what point would the magnets in the magnet motor create a magnetic field that is dangerous to humans when in close proximity?  If the government claims a magnet motor is a health risk and declares them illegal, will they have a valid point?  And, could we shield the whole magnet motor so as to keep the magnetic field from endangering humans and pets?  Perhaps by putting it in a metal box that shields the magnetic fields and keeps people and pets safe from the effects of the magnetic field even when standing close to the motor?

And one more point.  If we get a magnet motor to work and it doesn't get suppressed and citizens around the world can easily replicate the motor in their garages or mud huts, how long would it take before the demand for magnets outstripped production?  And how long until industry could ramp up production to meet demand? 

Fun question.  Thanks for posting this thread.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2008, 02:03:20 AM »
Uses for a permanent magnet motor?

Powering homes with electricity either by directly feeding the home with a 12 Kilowatt generator or recharging a battery bank with an alternator.

Portable electric generation for camping or in RV's.  (Said RV should also be able to travel using the electricity provided by the magnet motor, sans the gasoline or diesel.)

A power source to either recharge batteries in an electric car or perhaps to even directly feed the electric motor.

Hydrogen production at home for the purpose of running current ICE motors in our cars.
HHO production on the fly in a gasoline engine, perhaps enough to power the vehicle sans the gas.

Powering a desalination plant to turn salt water into safe drinking water for populations with scarce sources of drinking water.  (Looks like the elites intend to make drinking water the next big ticket item by touting the fact that we're running out of it.  Think of the price hikes on gasoline and translate that to drinking water.)

Power source to irrigate crops in countries with scarce food resources.  Also a source to power farm equipment for harvesting.  Also a source of power to transport those crops from the fields to people who need to eat.

Power source for villages in 3rd world countries that do not have access to power.  This would help with drought, starvation, and the standard of living in general.  (Water and food can be brought to the villages cheaply.  And what the heck, some air conditioning might be nice for the hot climates.)


Quite simply, a working magnet motor that is easily replicated by the average citizen would change everything you know about societies and power sources within 10-15 years.  Nothing will look like it does now when someone comes up with a working magnet motor that produces electricity in usable quantities made from off-the-shelf parts that is easily replicated by the average citizen.  Power to the people!  Literally. ;)


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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2008, 01:59:46 AM »
No, every element of what I believe can be proven.  If new evidence came about contradicting my view, and this evidence was validated, I would change my view immediately.

Ok, let's test this. You probably believe in how physics defines kinetic energy. Everybody knows (believes) that Ekin=1/2mv².
Now here is a guy who proves otherwise: http://nov55.com/ener.html
Momentum (m*v) is all there is to energy. Can you refute the proofs on that website. I'd be interested to see your refutation because I can't and none of my physicist aquintances can either.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2008, 02:51:58 AM »

One might wish to obtain 4 ring magnets of the same material, size, strength and design.   Put two in opposition S/S on a pencil, one suspended over the other.  Now do the same with the other two N/N on a different pencil.  Stick both pencils vertically into a styrofoam or cardboard base sufficiently distant as not to interfere with each other.  Notice that both upper magnets hover the same distance over each bottom magnet.

There, one has just shattered the myth of the current magnetic field model as taught in the science halls of 'higher' learning.  The current field model is but one of MANY apparently purposeful misdirections long enshrined in order keep tow of a malignant status quo.

(http://physicslearning.colorado.edu/PiraHome/ResourceCD/ResourceImages/PhysicsDrawings/Magnetic_Field_Lines.gif)

If, after conducting this simple experiment, one still needs to ask why, then ask an elementary school science teacher, or better yet, a physics professor to explain why no force assymetry is evident in the contrary arrangement of the above two examples.

Consider following up with this simple experiment:

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/static%20poynting%20gen.htm

There are numerous ways to demonstrate that the simple dipolar arrangement in a permanent magnet is, in effect, a transducer.  Yes, those virtual photon strings are in fact, energy. Not simply a 'force'.


But don't take my word for it. 


I don't.


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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2018, 09:54:57 PM »
In response to the magnetic field, some of the largest & fastest rotors and coil combos are in nuclear reactors, using that and smaller examples like backup house generators and alternators for cars, the field remains relative to the source (the magnets) * 3.141% of the total current (Amperage) produced, 100', 100 amps produced = 314' field effect maximum, disruptions of electronics systems would be relative to resonance frequencies, as for biological effects, provided no one has any installed Coclear or heart devices, you should be good with reasonable shielding.

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Re: Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2018, 10:29:21 PM »
The "pros & cons" of a successful magnetically driven overunity device is more complicated than people realize, some pros could be, as the designs of such devices would be so simple usually, creating a patent for them would be difficult, so everybody and his brother would be making off-brand and generic versions cheap, so affordability is a HUGE "pro", many companies will also use the tech to create variations for other purposes, houses, cellphones, cars, ect.....yah, pro, companies will also research to make smaller, more powerful, pro, these can also add some new market jobs, but where there might be a 15% increase in new jobs.....comes the cons

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with the release of such devices that provide free and/or cheap energy, there will be huge losses in company revenues, power companies, and fossil fuel companies, solar and wind power companies will all go tits up, huge losses of money to investors, huge losses of jobs, not just in the companies themselves, but also all related areas, companies that provide services related to power, including gas stations as well as maintenance and other related, companies that produce parts and equipment, ect., a much bigger loss of jobs than the immediate increase, and the greater loss would happen a lot faster than the much smaller increase, people could be out of work for months and even years, retraining for a new career would also take time and money, LOTS of it, then you get to the political......imagine a country that becomes almost totally self sufficient, wars would break out from those that produce fossil fuels (more so than normal), others thinking/feeling threatened by such superior tech, it would take a long time for lesser developed countries to catch up,
I am more interested in the pros of course, but the cons can't be ignored either, I'm sure I've missed many things, but I was just trying to bring up an expanded view of the "pros & cons"

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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2018, 03:26:40 AM »
Which is, in part, why the status quo has remained.  (Malignant though it's become over time.)

Don't upset 'the' apple cart.  keep walking along, keep your head down, nothing to see here.

And never mind the smell.  In for a penny, in for a pound, a bunch of rotten apples are what make the cart go round. And btw, the rumors that the whole cart is in jeopardy are greatly unfounded.

Say, kid, grab that wheel over there, help me put it back on....

Gotta keep it movin....

Keep moving forward...

Just keep swimming...

Pay no attention to those satanic pedophiles behind the curtains....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM6r8KapWIk

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In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is not to be trusted!


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