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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #810 on: November 12, 2007, 12:14:17 PM »
Godspeed 'ResinRat2'.

I am reading your posts and am quite sad I cannot help out. I am very enthusiastic about it all but havent the foggiest really of how to do it and what to get and all that.

Come next summer you might be sleeping next to the fan quite often.

Take care and God bless.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #811 on: November 12, 2007, 05:58:35 PM »
Hey RR,

I read over your initial report and I have to say, its really quite good. I especially like the fact that it is mainly in 'layman's' terms.
This will be especially helpful for those of us who are willing to replicate and verify the technology thus far.
Actually, given your level of success, I'm quite surprised this has not been attempted by a horde of other builders to date. Maybe this will be the catalyst. *pun intended* ;)

I'm so very much looking forward to the upscale model.

Very best of luck. And for the love of all that is good and true.....get some sleep :)



Avid follower,

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« Reply #812 on: November 13, 2007, 12:52:27 AM »
It may not be efficient, but I was thinking of incorporating this design into a run-the-engine-directly setup.  I don't know if I'm going to have the money to buy fuel cells, they are simply too expensive (bigger ones I mean).  If we can get a few liters a minute out of a few stacks of these then I think it might work.

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« Reply #813 on: November 13, 2007, 01:17:05 AM »
If we can get a few liters a minute out of a few stacks of these then I think it might work.

Hi Brian,

I'm sure that can be accomplished. It is going to take some development though.

My reactor passed 475 hours operating time of continuous hydrogen production. The performance has deteriorated over the last couple of days. I had the tungsten/carbide hydrogen production and regeneration electrodes crossed in the reactor for over 30 hours, and it really damaged the performance. Couldn't really notice it until I looked close. Now I can only run the fan alone or the regeneration alone. I can no longer do both at the same time. The fan is still running now and the reactor is still putting out several bubbles per second. Just not as well as before.

I think I will post the final video of this experiment and stop it soon. I have achieved what I wanted and proved the viability of this system. I just need to finish examining my notes and what exactly happened throughout this run. It actually worked better than I thought it would because I had to learn by trial and error. I just need to be sure there are no short-outs between the electrodes. It's alright because I will be scaling up anyway. I believe the performance of this small reactor justifies it.

So we will officially end it at 20 days constant hydrogen production. I am pleased.

Video post just as soon as the camera battery recharges.

Thanks everyone for your interest.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #814 on: November 13, 2007, 02:46:19 AM »
You have come a long ways RR, I just pop in every so often to see how you are doing. I am very glad you have stuck with it as you have gained a lot of ground in the last month or so. When you try and upgrade to a larger unit I am sure you will need to learn all over again, but you will have a lot better idea on what not to do.

Most people do not stick with what they set out to do, but you are one person who has stuck to what they first set out to do, God bless you RR.  Keep up the good work, we are behind you all the way.

Trump

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« Reply #815 on: November 13, 2007, 04:06:44 AM »
Thanks for the encouragement guys,

Latest video on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHu3UzEoEjY

Update and observations on this experiment. This will tie into my lab report when I finish the details on that as well.

Next: Scale up. I want some GOOD gas production.

Thank you all very much for your interest and support.

Dave (RR2)

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« Reply #816 on: November 13, 2007, 07:21:47 PM »
Excellent work!!!

thanks for sharing it with us!

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« Reply #817 on: November 13, 2007, 10:29:28 PM »
Nice job!  Now that I see that this is our best shot at breaking from the oil monopoly, I'd like to try to make one as well!  I finally have a job (and money) so I can actually build something!  Yes!  Dave, perhaps we can chat sometime?  I'd like to start a replication while you start your scaling up project.  I need to find your drawing of your setup, then it's onward and upward.  My car gets crappy gas mileage as it is and I'd love to get rid of it completely, or almost completely.  Good luck with your scaling up project!!

-Brian

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #818 on: November 14, 2007, 01:37:47 AM »
Hi RR, just wondered what results you have had with the platinum coated wire method, compared to the fuel cell. The wire method seems very simple.. Also, do you think the reactor would benifit from from being in the vertical position as opposed to horrizontal? That way, there seems less surface area for stuff to settle on the rods i guess.

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« Reply #819 on: November 14, 2007, 02:47:26 AM »
Motofox wrote:

Hi RR, just wondered what results you have had with the platinum coated wire method, compared to the fuel cell. The wire method seems very simple.. Hi Motofox, I did one experiment where I inserted a coiled wire into the hydrogen side of the reactor and another coiled wire into the oxygen side as the reactor was running. Over a period of 5 minutes the voltage climbed to 0.395 volts. That is the only experiment I did, but I plan on doing more in the future. I still need to finish my lab report. Ahh, so much to do, not enough help lol! Like I said before, I need a lab and some technicians. LOL!! Also, do you think the reactor would benifit from from being in the vertical position as opposed to horrizontal? That way, there seems less surface area for stuff to settle on the rods i guess. I agree with you 100%. From what I saw with this reactor I want the tungsten/carbide rods in the vertical position. No sense giving the precipitate a chance to settle and choke off any of the reaction surface on the rods. I plan on doing it that way in the future.

Thanks for your input and interest.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #820 on: November 14, 2007, 02:49:55 AM »
Are you still manually switching the power or did you work that out?

Yes, still manual; but once the larger unit is operating I will have more output to play with and then maybe the switching can be automated.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #821 on: November 14, 2007, 05:40:27 AM »
What are you talking about Mike?

He is already getting more out than in. He just wants a little more :-)

Hans

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #822 on: November 14, 2007, 10:50:01 AM »
Is it not true to say, that any system of this kind can only ever be 100% efficient. Assuming this experiment was 100% efficient, you would be able to convert 100% of the 'ambient energy' consumed into work/re-gen. I believe this is RR's goal(or as close as possible).

As much as I'd like to believe it, I do not see how we can ever unbalance the following laymans equation in our favour:

Ambient Energy + Manual Effort = Power Out


And by 'manual effort' I mean, electricity....batteries.....pre-coiled spring etc etc.
Ambient Energy being ....temperature differential....ZPE..........etc


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« Reply #823 on: November 14, 2007, 11:40:01 AM »
How much energy does it take to make a gallon of gasoline? It must first be located, (labor, time, technology), then extracted with large oil rigs. Then it must be transported, then refined in huge oil distillation (processing) units. Then it must be stored and transported as well.
All this human time, labor, technology, and materials. It developed over time, and this process just needs to be developed as well.

Water is unlimited on our planet. Over 70% of the planet is covered with it. In the future we may not even need to use deionized water. Sunlight is unlimited as well. I look at it in terms of supply. The water is not consumed and lost. It is reclaimed. The sunlight gives everything on this planet life. Without it we would not be here. Think hard about this. Is oil unlimited in supply? Once burned, can it be reclaimed?

This technology is in its infancy. You need to see past the trees that block your view. Open your eyes and mind and realize what we have here. We will never get more energy than the sunlight that falls on the earth. True. So what? The sun should be around a few billions of years anyway. I think we can deal with that fine.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #824 on: November 14, 2007, 12:50:18 PM »
Hi everyone. Sorry for butting in but instead of working trough 60 pages of posts I'd just like to ask one question:

I read about electrodes being used in a reactor. The topic title however is "hydrogen on demand WITHOUT ELECTRICITY".
If we are not using electricity at all, then where does mramos get his amps?
Or are we actually using electricity but do caloric calculations show that this is a lot less energy than the amount of energy contained in the hydrogen that is produced?