Hi Bitbo,

I really don't know what hydrogen output is needed to run a car, to me this seems like a very inefficient method to use the hydrogen. The fuel cell idea, though expensive right now, seems a better way to go. So that means you would be driving an electric car. (I'll take the Tesla electric sportscar please, lol --  teslamotors.com ). Such a sacrifice.

My vision is a Linnard Griffin hydrogen reactor that charges your batteries through a fuel cell. That way you just plug it into the reactor and it would trickle charge your batteries overnight. The next day you've got over 200 miles of range for your fancy electric sports car. Who needs an ICE --- lol.

I'm looking all over the net and I can find anyone selling pure Mg colloidal solution.
A few companies in Australia are selling MgCl2 "colloidal" solution, but thats no good.
I'm trying to find my invoice for the colloids and I'll contact the paypal account.

Resin does your Mg supplier still exist?

Sorry Chris, I missed this one. ---  www.wateroz.com

While I'm going to initiate an effort to get my 6KW gen set running on Hydrogen, it's only because I have it sitting around and except for testing I've only have 6 hours on it. So it's absolutely brand new and doesn't cost me a cent.

But please don't think for one minute that I'm a proponent of using Hydrogen to power ICE's over fuel cells, because I'm not. I'm just being a good Stewart of using what I have.
Until Fuel cell's become more affordable I'm thinking the economics of a somewhat larger power requirements might be better accomplished retro-fitting fossil fuel technology with Hydrogen (HOD) on Demand technology.

 I remember when I was a kid almost all heating was done with coal, then conversion burners from Roberts Gorden and others made it possible to still use the dinosaurs until newer high efficiency furnaces (99%) came into the market. These high efficiency furnaces literately paid for them selfs in only a couple of years through cost of energy savings. And I can see the same thing working here. Some, the early adopters will convert existing technology (at little cost but lots of headaches and risk) as they can /or as it makes economic sense while some wait until the technology is perfected and buy their Hydrogen Vehicle for $50,000.

Blessings,

Walterj

AirGen will develop products based on their storage/hydrogen generation capacity. Initially, AGC has determined three sizes ? 20 Kg., 4 Kg. and 1 gram ? will meet most of the requirements in the target markets. The products will be modular in design; thus, several of the 20 Kg. systems can easily be integrated for customers requiring larger amounts of hydrogen.

AG20 Generator
The AG20 generators will be designed to provide a ready supply of 20 Kg. of hydrogen gas. This is sufficient to operate a 5kW fuel cell (75 standard liters per minute flow rate) for a period of 48 continuous hours. Target applications include DC backup power for wireless telecom stations.

I would love to get one of these. How???

Hi Everyone,

I had my reactor running for the last 24 hours. Using the rubber stoppers around the electrodes works very well, no leaks formed after the temperature dropped so this is the way I will do it from now on.

I was running the fan off the larger fuel cell, and the second fuel cell I had set up to regenerate one of the zinc electrodes at the same time the other zinc electrode was used in the hydrogen generation. This looks to work as zinc was regenerating, but the voltage was low on the regeneration fuel cell; 142mV. Very small, but the zinc looked to be regenerating.

I see a flaw in my reactor design though, as the gas pressure on either side of the reactor increased, the liquid levels also varied. I left it running in the morning, and after I got back home from work I found that the electrolyte had overflowed into the fuel cells as the pressure on the oxygen side had increased too much. I had tried to control the liquid levels by immersing the oxygen tube into a glass of water and varying its depth. This worked for a while, but there are too many variables changing (pressure, density, atmospheric pressure) to keep the liquid levels constant in this design. I see why having gas openings on both sides of the reactor is difficult to use. I just can't maintain constant liquid levels.

I am redesigning the reactor to compensate for this; but at least the leaking around the electrodes is fixed.

Thank you for your interest.

Hi Walterj and everyone,

WHOOOHOOO! I got it to work the way I wanted it to.(mostly).

By switching the fuel cells so that the low voltage one has the hydrogen going through it first (for regeneration of the one zinc electrode) I am able to get full voltage off the small fuel cell (0.9 volts) which is the maximum for the small one and should be enough for regeneration, and sure enough, I saw the oxygen bubbles coming off the electrode and the zinc re-plating. The larger fuel cell was next in line for the hydrogen and after a short time it started to turn the small fan, then turned faster, then went at a good constant clip. So this setup has proved my hypothesis; that using two fuel cells, two zinc electrodes, and two tungsten carbide electrode connections to regenerate one zinc electrode while the other zinc electrode is being used to produce hydrogen does work. This is then a self-powering, self-regenerating unit; no fancy electronics, no batteries, and no complicated setup.

Only one problem is left to overcome, and that is a way to control the pressure between the two chambers so the electrolyte liquid level stays constant. Then I can let it run and run and run on its own without having to keep an eye on it so it doesn't overflow into the fuel cells.

So I may still need to redesign the reactor, but my mind is brainstorming and I may be able to think of a way to solve that problem as well and still use this present reactor design.

Man, I am so close to doing the long term testing, but right now I've got to get to bed. I need to get up for work in 4 hours.

Thanks for your interest and patience.

Walterj,

Thanks for the kind words, but it's not there yet. I could use your ideas as well as anyone else who is interested. I will be posting a drawing soon of my setup so everyone could see where the problem is with the pressure differences and electrolyte overflow. I will need any ideas anyone has for a solution. Especially Engineer ideas.

Thanks to all.

Dave,
Great job.  Sounds like you are really getting close.  I will not take the fancy electronics personally
Let me know when I can buy one..  The fan motor, was it a small DC fan?  Did you notice the voltage or current?
Mike

Mike, the fan is a small DC motor fan that I bought with the fuel cell. There is NO information on the unit what draw it has. I'll throw a meter in the circuit sometime tonight if I get a chance and see what kind of mA reading it gives.

Yeah, you ARE the fancy electronics guy.

Once this puppy is running it'll still need a circuit to charge a 6 or 12 volt battery for future experiments. I think THAT would be a good fancy electronics project for a fancy electronics guy, don't you think? It would be neat to charge the 6 volt battery on the next door neighbor's DC scooter and install the reactor on it and have a perpetual running scooter that runs on water.

Just the kind of challange you could handle, eh? LOL!!

Thanks!!