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resonanceman

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #210 on: April 25, 2008, 09:06:13 PM »


 The TESTATICA Device has it spinning inside the two large cans.


Fatbird

My  understanding  of those  2 cans  is that they   had a  capacitor  in the outer  part of the can and a coil in the center ..........and the whole thing was resonant .

If you  are right ........and the  coil  created  a vortex .............all that   the spinning  disks  would need to do is provide  pulses of   energy at  the right frequency


To test  one of my  theorys  I made a big  bimetal capacitor ....... I have  something like   26 sheet metal plates and  matching  copper plates..... each  plate is  roughly  18 in  by 8 in      It  creates   .5 V  just  sitting there .......it  doesn't  create  any  usuable power ........but I am sure that that will change when I find a good  dialectric   ........so far  when I charge it up  with a battery  it takes only  seconds  to discharge .    In a  high energy  field ( with the right dialectric )  it should  put out alot of power.

gary

resonanceman

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #211 on: April 25, 2008, 09:33:59 PM »
On  another thread here    HWL cell   
www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4510.0.html

on the  first   post there is a link 


part  of that   first link is   

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ADP, like many crystals, exhibits an electrical phenomenon known as ferroelectricity. Ferroelectric materials are analogous to magnets in that they maintain a positively charged and a negatively charged pole below a certain temperature that is characteristic for each compound.


It seems to me  that a very fine layer of this stuff on  our coils might act as a diode . 

So far I have not found it in small quantities .........50 pounds is not  what I call  small .

gary

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #212 on: April 26, 2008, 08:01:30 PM »
Hi everyone,

I want to share some of this mornings musings.

I was thinking about strawberrys and coils and what makes up the electrical oscillations as they are different from the oscillations on a cello string....

I came to the provisional conclusion that there are 4 forms of power in a wire.

1- straight dc
2- pulsed dc
3-smooth sine wave type ac
    (whatever that is  ;) strawberries doing the 2 step dance back and forth or leap frog jumping over each other back and forth.)
4- digital ac.   as in  "binary",  "on - off" caused by a spark gap

Pulsed dc and digital ac are the same thing in their beginning moment.

Digital ac then has the wave response following it along with the possibility of using the harmonic repeating and back emf etc.

Early on someone said the NS battery was pulsed dc. I am not sure I agree. Here is why:

I am thinking that pulsed dc needs to be in a straight wire. If there are convolutions it will pulse but be back and forth, in other words, ac.

Which leads to the conclusion that this NS battery is ac.

I just wanted to share these thoughts today.   Perhaps some of this is standard theory or then again maybe it is all jeanna type "out there stuff".

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #213 on: April 26, 2008, 10:55:47 PM »
Jenna,What you said about the strawberrys was prett good .Pulsed dc no way.With any wave ac only.With the Eather,there would a mixture of both would act as if it were ac & dc both trying to get back to ambient.Andy

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #214 on: April 26, 2008, 11:48:15 PM »
Pulsed dc no way.

how is there no pulsed dc? It should be easily done with a spark to start each dc blast.

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With any wave ac only.

and a spark to start a current this time in a coil would produce ac because it IS a coil and then because it is a coil it continues on making ac waves.

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With the Eather,there would a mixture of both would act as if it were ac & dc both trying to get back to ambient.
We can probably say what we want to about aether. the proofs are such difficult math I couldn't get very far, but somehow I think dc is man made and not the natural thing so I guess trying to get back to ambient is as good an explanation as we could get.

Thanks for your comments.

jeanna

So Andy,
Do you prefer a strawberry that dances a 2 step or one that plays leapfrog? ;D

resonanceman

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #215 on: April 27, 2008, 02:07:55 AM »


how is there no pulsed dc? It should be easily done with a spark to start each dc blast.


I  would agree with ANdy on this 
any circuit  even  just a simple wire  has a little  inductance and capatance   .......so  it  will ring like  a resonant  circuit  just a  little bit ..........also .........a spark  gap  shuts off the current  VERY quickly .......any inductance  will   create  flyback    ( back EMF )     both of these things will  tend to make  pulsed DC into AC



I am going to try a little  experment  on the nature of AC and  magnetic  fields  tonight or  tomorow ......it it  goes well I will  post the results


gary



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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #216 on: April 27, 2008, 02:13:27 AM »


how is there no pulsed dc? It should be easily done with a spark to start each dc blast.


I  would agree with ANdy on this 
any circuit  even  just a simple wire  has a little  inductance and capatance   .......so  it  will ring like  a resonant  circuit  just a  little bit ..........also .........a spark  gap  shuts off the current  VERY quickly .......any inductance  will   create  flyback    ( back EMF )     both of these things will  tend to make  pulsed DC into AC



I am going to try a little  experment  on the nature of AC and  magnetic  fields  tonight or  tomorow ......it it  goes well I will  post the results


gary




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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #217 on: April 27, 2008, 02:46:32 AM »
I am going to try a little  experment  on the nature of AC and  magnetic  fields  tonight or  tomorow ......it it  goes well I will  post the results
gary

great.

I didn't realize that even a small circuit will do an ac thing.

My problem is that although I have a good handle on resonance and oscillation through music, I have needed a way to translate that into electric/electronic meaning. The circuit just sits there. or it blows a spark etc.

But if you want to see the oscillations you need a meter.
I am starting to get it, but I am not ready to just use regular circuits and think oscillation the way I can with sound.

 I even looked up Les Paul yesterday to see if I could understand what he did to make a vibrating string into an electronic thing.

 And the reverse is really what I think will help me. How do you make an electronic wire make a particular pitch with a certain set of harmonics? (I don't mean stick a chip in somewhere,  I mean, what makes the sound come out of the copper wire? etc.)

So, the search for understanding continues. I enjoy learning new things and experimenting more than anything.

and I think this NS battery is where I will find my answers, too.

thank you

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #218 on: April 27, 2008, 03:30:25 AM »
Cheers mates
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 08:19:45 PM by Localjoe »

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #219 on: April 27, 2008, 03:57:36 AM »
Jenna, I worked with sound wave engineering for 15 years.There is a partical in sound waves that is called a "Phonon" these phonons are the particals that make the sound wave.I belive this is one of the keys to free energy and antigravity.If you look up phonons you will find bosons and nutrinos.If you want antigravity you need phonons, to get to phonons you have to 180 degree out of phase-phase shift.To get free energy you need 180 degree out of phase-phase shift.Now you know why my e-mail address is "phononstring"which is a partical beam of phonons.There are different demintions it is only by phase shifting driving the different <more than 1 180s driven in to each other>The bifilar does the 180 out the rest of the story.regards Andy (wife wants attention gotta run for now)

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #220 on: April 27, 2008, 06:11:12 AM »
There are different demintions it is only by phase shifting driving the different <more than 1 180s driven in to each other>The bifilar does the 180 out the rest of the story.regards Andy
Andy,
This is very much the line of thinking I am wanting to be on.

The following examples may NOT be phase shifts because the cycle is not exactly the same:

If 2 cellos are looking for the same A440 but they are not exactly right on, there is an audible beat. This beat gets faster as the 2 cellos get more in tune and  the frequency is matching closer and closer.
A musical "round" is really a better example of a phase shift in music, I guess.


Precession of the equinoxes is another example,  the precession of the moon every month is another. These both come about because the orbits are a different diameter so it may not be phase. Just concentric neighbors.

I know the sound thing can cause antigravity. I didn't think I would ever meet someone who could talk about it, though. And I certainly didn't know the role of phonons. I look forward to learning more.

wonderful.
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Koen started a thread about the cadeusus.. As he was describing it and making his own very interesting comments,  I realized the NS battery is a cadeusus. - There are many differing examples of the cadeusus and many of them have the snake tails connected. So if one snake= one bifilar wind, this battery is in the form of a cadeusus.

If that weren't enough, the next post showed a thing from the JLNaudin site with the same kind of coils wound the way we are winding them with 6 layers,(just copper but down and back, I mean,)  which has anti faraday shielding properties !!!

Whatever NS did he, like Tesla could have taken our planet to a great place if circumstances had been different. I keep wanting to say (In the words of OB1) "Nows the time"

Andy, thank you so much for your input,

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #221 on: April 27, 2008, 07:09:08 AM »
Jenna, A cadeusus,bifilar,and a moebius coil, all do this phase shift, only different patterns.Which is why all have to do with antigravity and free energy.All the strange effects we all have seen through these coils.There is another way: it is through the center of a silonoid.The same wave pattern or what we call a standing wave.All 180 out.When two waves converge.at certin angles.mostly (45s) degees,comming from different angles like 2 - 45s intersecting (>) example or 4 - 45s (x) example.the 4 45s =180 out x 4 = 720 out of phase "forth demision" = Antigravity or 8 x 180 out = warp! =1440 out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the interesting part is the (intensity or how much power is backing it up ) = frequency, voltage,and amperage.This is the push, look how lifters are made. I wrote about them to jnaudin in 1998-1999 and 2000.Then another friend of jnaudin, DeAquino came out with great!!!!!! formula on antigravity in 2000.Which still equals -0- I have been screaming for years.If you look at the wave pattern in the lifter you will see the waves comming from all different directions slaming against each other.Then look what I have been writing for years.Example THIS reply save this. lOOk and see the (center) where all the (waves drive into themselves.)This is the (center) of a circle or triangle mabe a hexagon,square, the waves still drive into themselves which is the (center.)The amplifier is the tesla coil one very small can buy one for about 50 USD.This is the e-mail of the centry if you pay attention to waht is here in this reply Regards Andy McQuerry e-mail address (phononstring@yahoo.com) phone 870-862-8020

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #222 on: April 28, 2008, 01:15:17 AM »
@ Jeanna:

I believe your description of the two cellos is not correct.  I have never played a cello but have played guitar for over 30 years.  When tuning a tensioned string to another, the beats get slower as they come into tune.  I taught myself how to tune pianos using this method. (It is not easy, I have only tuned 2 of them)  You can hear the beats and adjust accordingly.  As they slow, you know you are closer and keep going in that direction.

As far as not being able to "see" ac, we see it every day.  When I first got my new monitor, it was set on default at 60hz refresh rate.  I got very bad headaches and eyestrain within a few minutes of using it.  I found I could reset the rates to 75 hz, which my eyes can not seem to detect.  If you blink your eyes very fast, you can see the strobe effect on a regular light bulb if you can't see it already.  Our eyes get used to it but 60hz is not a good frequency for most humans.  If you have access to an adjustable strobe light, you can tune it to see the 60hz pulses on any electric light source.  You can either freeze it on, or off.  Well, you have to consider that the true hz of our electrical power varies as well, within a certain tolerance set by the power company.

Why am I telling you this?  I don't know.  I guess it is just yet more trivial information that I seem to have and wanted to pass it on.  I have to pretend like I know some things right?

As we all talked about in the "old" days, remember Hans's work with Keely?, resonance is probably everything.  And on many levels.  I like your thoughts on reversing Les Paul's pick-up design to use on our systems.  If things convert one way, why not the other?  I try to think like that myself and I believe our best creations may come out of that kind of thinking.  Hey, gas heats when compressed, why not decompress it for air conditioning or refrigeration?  LEDS light up with electricity, why not shine light on them to produce electricity? (which is now being done, and I have done this myself after reading about it)  It takes electricity to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen, why not combine them to produce electricity?  (fuel cells)  Great thinking Jeanna.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #223 on: April 28, 2008, 01:28:16 AM »
I  have made a couple  very simple  coils to test  the  some of the  A field properties of  copper and iron .

I  started  with  2 cores  one  #6  copper   another  iron  rebar tie wire  4 painted strands .

Over  the cores I slipped  a  polyethelene tube  as insulation .

I then  wrapped  each  core with wire .   Painted  rebar tye wire on  the copper  core   21 gage magnet  wire on the  iron  core.    It  would  have been nice to  have  a little closer match in wire size .  but I  have to use what I have on hand.


I didn't  get any  DC on any  reading.

I also  didn't get any usable   power , these are small coils  ..... no real power was expected.

Iron  core

5  & 6    .020  V AC

Copper core

5 & 6    .028 V AC


When  placed  on my wet pancake  coils     the readings were.

Iron  core

5&6    .060 V AC

copper core

5&6   .065 V AC

I am planning on adding a few more layers on both of these coils and making them into cadeusus coils .
I am  thinking of adding  copper  winding  to  the  copper  core coil   for  its 3rd and 4th  layers .  I am guessing that the iron windings will act like a   core .   



I have all the parts  ready to  wind a 3rd pancake  coil  tonight
It  will have the copper  insulated   with plastic .
It  will be interesting  to see  if a non  galvanic   coil  adds to the  galvanic  coils .

gary









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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #224 on: April 28, 2008, 01:37:27 AM »
@ Gary:

Wow!  That's a lot of winding.  I too have been thinking of alternative core materials.  More on this later.

Bill