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Pirate88179

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #855 on: June 07, 2009, 08:13:00 AM »
Here is a video of my earth battery and Fuji circuit running 400 leds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqKEed7AOI

More to come.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #856 on: June 07, 2009, 12:23:42 PM »
thanks guys, you always were my favorite :) so this doesnt look like the same old EB thread? what happened? i havent been playing with EB's as you can tell for a while.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #857 on: June 09, 2009, 08:21:49 AM »
this doesn't look like the same old EB thread? what happened?
Here is where it all began.
localjoe changed the name a while ago, but this is his original EB thread...
This is the one with all the background information on probes-in-the-ground

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.0

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #858 on: June 09, 2009, 03:31:28 PM »
Hey everybody, I was first thinking on posting this at the main Stubblefield tread, but then I thought it would maybe be more on topic placing it here.

I've recently been playing a lot with the solid state version of the Bedini SSG by placing a car ignition coil at the output instead of a battery. It can transmit the electric fields at a distance and light all kinds of gas bulbs.
If I connected a bulb between it and a large aluminum surface I could get it to light, and recently I made a simple earth connection by hammering a normal copper tube down in the ground, some meters below the room I'm using.

With the earth I got a much better reaction from the SSG, being able to light much more with 'Just one wire'....
I know this because I'm running the SSG of a battery so there is no other earth connection for it to enter.
I've also placed a Am/FM radio close to the setup and it pick up everything I do.

Then I noticed something interesting. When the SSG was completely powered down, I could here a click in the radio when I touched an aluminum plate with the earth wire, it responded more the closer to the plate it was placed.  The plate was not connected to anything, it was just lying by itself in the room.

I then tried to connect a small neon bulb between the aluminum plate and the ground and it lit up, but very dimly! As far as I know, a neon bulb normally requires about 60 or more volts to light up, and no galvanic cell can put that much out! There is very little current here, and the meters can't read anything (I got both an analog and a digital multimeter).


I think this is related to the Stubblefield batteries, even if I'm using only a single rod, maybe it is a clue to the real workings of the battery. I don't think galvanic reactions has anything to to with these batteries at all, so maybe the placement of two rods is just something we unintentionally want to do because it resembles the common battery more????

Anyway, I think this is interesting, and I've tried as hard as I can to remove any other source of power which can react to the wire. And no, we don't have any power lines in the earth around here, it all goes by the air  :D

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #859 on: June 10, 2009, 07:53:21 AM »
Naboo:

That is very interesting indeed!  Yes, there is far more going on here than galvanic that much I can say for sure.  Please follow up on your discovery and do some experiments.  I would be very interested in your findings.

@ All:

I am re-posting this site which is a calculator to determine the magnetic deviation and dip angle for your area:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/IGRFWMM.jsp

I hope this helps.  It is a good site.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #860 on: June 10, 2009, 05:57:03 PM »
@ Pirate88179

I am still puzzled at how you can charge a 640 Farad capacitor so quickly. I think the attached calculations are correct. Theoretically you would need an average of about 100 ma to charge it to 1 volt in 4 to 9 hours. Charging to 2 volts would take 4 times as long and require 2 volts from EB. Would you be willing to measure the current going into the battery while it is being charged to see if it is about 100 ma? I may need to study my theory some more.



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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #861 on: June 10, 2009, 08:18:31 PM »
XEE2:

I don't think those figures are correct at all.  At least not for supercaps which are totally different.  About 2 years ago, Coleman came out with a cordless screwdriver that had no batteries only supercaps.  The standard lithium battery took 8 hours to fully charge and would run the drill for 4 hours.  The supercap version would only run the drill for 2 hours, BUT, would fully recharge in 5 minutes!  The technology has improved since that time and you are going to see more of these replacing rechargeable batteries in many applications.

Also, about 2 years ago, my first supercap (.47 F 5.5 volt) would charge up from the old style EB in like 5 seconds of connection and would run a red led for over 15 minutes.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #862 on: June 10, 2009, 09:47:43 PM »

Also, about 2 years ago, my first supercap (.47 F 5.5 volt) would charge up from the old style EB in like 5 seconds of connection and would run a red led for over 15 minutes.

Bill

Say what!!!??? That sounds like more power than you have been using in your loads, even the florescent bulb and motor....   Its just incredible. And you know what I think? Its radiant energy!

That neon bulb I used with the earth wire, it lit up just the same way as when I move it close to any of the wires on the solid state SSG, and I'm pretty sure it is a radient event which allows that energy to be transmitted wirelessly. Just like the spikes with almost pure potential can recharge a battery extremely efficient, maybe an earth battery does almost the same with a supercap. At least its something to think about  :-\

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #863 on: June 10, 2009, 10:27:33 PM »
@ Nabo00o
That neon bulb I used with the earth wire, it lit up just the same way as when I move it close to any of the wires on the solid state SSG, and I'm pretty sure it is a radient event which allows that energy to be transmitted wirelessly. Just like the spikes with almost pure potential can recharge a battery extremely efficient, maybe an earth battery does almost the same with a supercap. At least its something to think about 


Neon lit with one lead by high voltage JT. Power lead from JT can be grounded to earth.


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #864 on: June 10, 2009, 10:48:00 PM »
@ Nabo00o
Neon lit with one lead by high voltage JT. Power lead from JT can be grounded to earth.

Well I know that, I see it in your image. However I can make it light by simply placing it near the wire of my SSG even without touching it, a spark gap does also seem to magnify the effect.
If I touch the bulb on the glass it glows very brightly and if I touch a lead or connect it to the ground or a plate it will light extremely bright. Anyway, it seem hard even to explain how one wire can carry any real power, which is I * V. But when it is pure voltage coming of as a field, and it still makes stuff light up, I wonder how we use up power to make that happen...
This much like the Avramenko setup, just without the diodes and capacitor.

Naboo

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #865 on: June 27, 2009, 09:08:42 AM »
A buddy of mine on Youtube posted this and asked me to bring it to your attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxa_G4X8Y7k&feature=related

He did not film this and it is in some language I do not recognize but it is what appears to be an earth battery, joule thief, spark gap (Jeanna will like this) and God knows what else and they are lighting about a dozen incandescent bulbs from it.

It is a 7 part series (the link above is for part 1) and maybe someone here will be able to figure out what they are saying.  It is very interesting to say the least.  I can't quite figure out what they are doing even though I recognize some of the components.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #866 on: June 27, 2009, 04:55:10 PM »
A buddy of mine on Youtube posted this and asked me to bring it to your attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxa_G4X8Y7k&feature=related

He did not film this and it is in some language I do not recognize but it is what appears to be an earth battery, joule thief, spark gap (Jeanna will like this) and God knows what else and they are lighting about a dozen incandescent bulbs from it.

It is a 7 part series (the link above is for part 1) and maybe someone here will be able to figure out what they are saying.  It is very interesting to say the least.  I can't quite figure out what they are doing even though I recognize some of the components.

Bill

Hmm, that looks really interesting, and I've only seen the first part yet. That language is really uncommon to hear, maybe it is some form of African or an Arabian like language? It seems like he is placing a normal car radiator in that hole.....

But I am pretty sure that we need to think completely different in terms of normal current electricity if we want to understand how earth batteries and radios works. Something to think about; Art Bells huge radio antenna could generate enormous sparks of current and voltage, and it happened only when he closed the switch. Maybe the reason to why I can light up a neon with the ground is that the elevated room creates a potential from the ground, as a result from height. Maybe you could try to put a neon bulb between the terminals of your battery Bill?

Naboo

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #867 on: July 22, 2009, 06:54:38 AM »
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #868 on: July 22, 2009, 06:58:42 AM »
Jeanna:

WTG!!!!!  Hey, it has a JT so also post this in the JT topic.  Also, maybe on Jim's topic as well.  Folks need to see this stuff and that it DOES work and you CAN do USEFUL things with an EB and a JT. (I call making free light useful, call me crazy)

Now add a supercap and....lookout!!!

Very well done Jeanna.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #869 on: July 22, 2009, 07:02:20 AM »
Jeanna:

WTG!!!!!  Hey, it has a JT so also post this in the JT topic.  Also, maybe on Jim's topic as well.  Folks need to see this stuff and that it DOES work and you CAN do USEFUL things with an EB and a JT. (I call making free light useful, call me crazy)

Now add a supercap and....lookout!!!

Very well done Jeanna.

Bill
Hi Bill,
You beat me to it,
I just went back and it is dark enough to see nothing.
I guess the resin was picking up the neighbor's sodium light.
It was a nice feeling. I will have it for real soon, maybe tomorrow.
I will follow jim's suggestions and use the 4007 diodes on both sides.
It was the same supercap you used last year.

thanks Bill,

jeanna