here is the link to the patent

http://www.rexresearch.com/erthbatry/erthbatry.htm

it's the last one listed. i think you just have to click on the link on that page to see the full patent

As I think I have mentioned, I have been thrashing about looking for some of the missing elements that will add to my ideas about how to extract power from this generator.

IMHO We will NEVER get anywhere as long as we are still trying to use this as a battery.

The trouble is, we are still trying to raise the power through galvanic means just to get started.

I think Luc gotoluc has got the idea we need. Please look at his whole (2 page) thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.0.html

and watch the very clear videos.

Today he posted his newest video. In this video he includes all the elements we have been using and which are inherent in just the NS generator as it is.

I will let you watch it before I go on. I asked him for a drawing of today's circuit, just to be sure.

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One of the things that have been bothering me lately is that NS used iron and copper. He did not use zinc plated iron. He even said soft iron. This only gives 0.14vdc, which is very low voltage.

I knew we were going down a different road from the beginning on this point, but it didn't matter at first. I needed to get my hands on this coil to begin to understand it. I am happy with how much I have learned so far, but when I couldn't see the spark forming from the spark gap I set up on one of my coils, I just didn't know where to move next.

OK

Have a look and see if you don't see some clues we can use.

jeanna

You said in his latest design it didn't have a capacitor but the link you give shows a schematic at the top of the page that has a capacitor. Do you have a link for his latest circuit?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.0.html

I keep visualizing the ns battery functioning like a long descending pipe of water. Funny because my water supply comes from a 2KM 32mm tube going downhill. Maybe it's why I keep seeing the function of the battery the same. There is a lot of energy coming down this tube of water but there seems to be an extra amount of energy created if you put a value in the middle of this flow and then close it rather quickly. The descending water wants to keep descending but the closed valve makes it impossible so it creates some type of high energy vacuum inside the pipe on that side of the valve. On the other side a lot of pressure will build up but the vacuum side seems to open a door for a lot of energy. You can see here what it does to metal pipes designed to absorb this energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hammer

I always see water as a physical representation of electrical flow and it's easy to see the water counterpart to things like resisters, capacitors ect. So if this can happen with water maybe the abrupt shut off of electricity can produce the same effect and open the door to absorb the electrical potential around it.

Gary,
Did I miss the link? I don't know what site you are referring to??

@Storre

So if this can happen with water maybe the abrupt shut off of electricity can produce the same effect and open the door to absorb the electrical potential around it.

Yes. (People have shown this.)

Now, one of the most interresting times I had this winter was when Koen opened a thread called "wild and crazy caduceus coil" - or something like that. I think in half baked.

I saw immediately that the caduceus  is a NS generator. It is a double headed snake with 2 fangs at each head.     While discussing this I had to explain to those who had never built one, that

1- the coil as wound from top to bottom is wound one way but
2- if you follow the path from the other end the coil wraps the opposite way.

So, if you create a spark gap between the ends of the 10's, for instance, the current will oscillate naturally.

I created a hair's breath spark gap between 2 wires on my coil made on a pipe. This pipe behaved differently in that the South pole was opposite all the others and also even though the voltage did decline over time, it did it less than the others. I don't know if this is why.

I have no way to quantify these observations and I only mentioned them in passing, just in case someone else wanted to pick up on it. No one ever did. OK.

I also was never able to see a spark. It is very possible that the spark was there and was too small and short, but again I cannot show it.

The other oddment I have seen and will now go repeat, is that if I strike the wires together or maybe one wire to the core, the meter will show an increase in voltage until I stop striking. (very much like what luc is doing in his videos.)

This now makes sense because luc is striking a magnet and the iron wire and the core both become magnetized. etc.

see?

What luc did yesterday is he verified  in his set up what I saw in mine. He later said the transformer doesn't need to be a toroid. so, here we are. We have all the elements.

BTW, at the end of the second page of luc's thread, in response to my request for the circuit he drew out the one without the capacitor. It is the one that looks like what we have, (not the first drawing ).

I am inclined to get a transformer that is rated 120 to 3 volts and use a pair of AA's to repeat luc's thing. In order to do this, I hope a flashlight light bulb will do. I might skip that and try with my 0.5v NS generator too.

But for a few hours today, I think I need to be in my garden.

jeanna

Just a quick report on my progress (or lack of) :-)

I added 13 meters to my coil which almost reaches

.701V
0mA

It's 26M of 2.1mm winding with copper covered in very tight cotton tubing and zinc coated iron bare and wound very tight.

I'm testing with one probe on iron and the other on copper with the other ends left open. Will try burying it see if it makes a difference.

I will try to hook up the reed switch again but I suspect, like with the 13M coil, it will not be enough amps to create the electromagnet. Not sure how big these things have to get before they will produce enough to create the electromagnet or if needs a capacitor inline to build up the charge and release it in bursts. Thrapp did mention a capacitor in his interview online here.

Anyone here have any ideas on the capacitor values best to try for low power like this?

Anyone here have any ideas on the capacitor values best to try for low power like this?

Hi Storre,

I cannot answer that question, but that subject is the reason I did the research on the RLC circuits and I posted the link somewhere to Barry's RLC website.

I found that from a search for  coil guns and related info.

It is closely related because we are wanting to use what we have and to get it to pulse by an oscillation. That RLC circuit is an oscillation circuit.

Now, the reason I have been asking for someone who has an oscilloscope to make a coil is so we can know the approximate frequency of a given amount of copper wound on a coil when it is closely wound with iron as a bifilar wire, so we can (I can) go from there.

I am again placing my request for this.

Thank you,

jeanna

@ All:

Sorry I have been away for a while.  I have not given up!  I still have some ideas that I will share shortly so stand by.

I stumbled on something I am looking into and will share once I learn more about it.  In the meantime, I hope all of your experiments go better than planned.  Keep up the great work here.  Thanks.

Bill

@ All:

One of the ideas I am playing with involves the bifilar coil, but shaped in a circular configuration.  Not like the TPU but almost.  This shape could be about 300 degrees around as opposed to 360.  Like a circle with a small piece missing.  We could then place these into the ground in a horizontal position instead of vertical.  What advantages there might be I can only guess at this point.  I was also thinking that one could "stack" these in a series connection that might actually work. (Think about stacking these on yet another iron center core.....like horseshoes around a stake)

The rotation of the magnetic fields in the stacked position might actually build upon and feed off each other.  Then again, they may actually cancel each other to some degree.

Just some free thinking here.  I will build several in the near future.

Bill