What about the idea of quickly shorting the battery with a NC reed switch across the 2 different metal wires (getting one end from the opposite end) so to make it a type of pulsed dc or ac. The reed switch would be opened by the magnetic field built up from the instant it was closed. A page or 2 back I put up a drawing that better describes it. I also heard Thrapp talking about using a NC reed switch and it seems he made one that way that was successful. I see without this action then it's just a normal galvanic cell.

How do you mean by insulating the coils? You mean putting one metal coil in one bottle of water and the other metal coil in a separate bottle? I've always assumed the coils were there to create the magnet to activate the switch so that it just turned on and off many times per second but coils have some strange properties so maybe something else is going on here.

My last few parts are on there way and will arrive hopefully June 12. Got 500 yards of cotton 1/8" ID tubing from wickstore.com and 20 or so different types of NC reed switches. The rest I have. I'm going to start with 2mm wire and wood for the assembly following the patent as much as possible. He doesn't talk about the reed switch but I plan to find a spot on the cell (i'm guessing the top of the bolt) where the mf is strongest and then try to mount it there. My coil is 3.5" from inner end to inner end. Not sure how many meters I will get on it but I will start with as much as possible.

He doesn't talk about the reed switch but I plan to find a spot on the cell (i'm guessing the top of the bolt) where the mf is strongest and then try to mount it there.

Yes, the top is very strong. I noticed back when I was looking at my coils with a compass, that the turn around at the bottom seemed to be stronger. I mean that the compass would very smartly or sharply snap itself into position at the bottom.

It may be the same at the top only it is harder to tell because the wires are in the way.

I just thought I'd mention it. I don't know if you have used a compass with your coils yet. If not have a go, it is interesting. 

I want to revisit that site with the video that showed the wires at the bottom.

The patent shows something that is impossible.

It shows the wires starting and ending at the top. NOW, THE IMPOSSIBLE PART IS THAT HE SHOWS 5 ROWS. It is either an even number of rows or it starts at the top and ends at the bottom.

Now, I just learned in the book that he was also a caligrapher and proud of it so, I am quite sure he drew the patent drawing himself. So, I think there is good reason to follow this line. To my knowledge, no one has yet made one that ends at the bottom.

Do you remember that I said you could check your coil while the wires were still attached to the spool of wire on the floor?

When I was doing that winding, I noticed that the volts n amps were always higher when they were arranged that way and got less when I finished the layer at the top.

So, I'm just saying this because I didn't say it earlier, and you might want to check it out. (check me out.)

Dr Stiffler said;

The point is to not have galvanic reactions and electrolysis is a total bust. You want to capture energy without using up your materials, right?

Yes, exactly.

I probably used the wrong words. Electroplating is what I meant when I said electrolysis. So, the coil has a zero net change.

And, yes, the trick is to catch a little juice as it flies by on its way to elsewhere.

jeanna

@ Jeanna:

I like the way you were able to study the patent and come up with your observation.  I believe you are correct when you counted the windings in the drawing.  This makes total sense to me.  I didn't notice that before.


@ All:

I just checked my buried coil for the first time in several weeks.  Bad news.  0.0 vdc, 0.0 vac, and 0.0 mA's.
Crap!!!

Bill

@ All:

I just checked my buried coil for the first time in several weeks.  Bad news.  0.0 vdc, 0.0 vac, and 0.0 mA's.
Crap!!!

Bill

Bill

did  you dig up  your coil ?

I  can't imagine  burned out the galvanic  reaction  this quick
It must be  a bad connection...... or .......something in the soil  that is  reacting kind of like your salt did .

Didn't  you say  you were putting vinegar  on it ?    maybe  it wants more . 


gary

I just checked my buried coil for the first time in several weeks.  Bad news.  0.0 vdc, 0.0 vac, and 0.0 mA's.

Bill,

Does that mean the coil is very dry? 0.00 is lower than a little moist.

Do you think it got polarized? In the brochure NS says it doesn't get polarized like other galvanic batteries when in non acidulated. or some language that means to me that adding vinegar could stop it from working.

So, do you think the vinegar covered the wires with crud?

lots of questions here.

Thanks for the information. Sometimes (often)  it is more information when something does NOT work, as you know.

jeanna

I just checked my buried coil for the first time in several weeks.  Bad news.  0.0 vdc, 0.0 vac, and 0.0 mA's.
Crap!!!

just by chance did you make sure your meter Leeds are still plugged in and working correctly. i know i have a bad probe on one of my meters and it causes me fits. causes the same as above.

I came across this link    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuA-dkKvrd0

it's a video of how to make a 3D viewer of magnetic fields. I am going to make one today. also i am starting my coil winding today.

I have completely enjoyed reading this thread. Congratulations are in order to see people working together in a spirit of good progress and leaving a well documented trail! Thank you all.

I would inject one thing that may have been overlooked as of yet. The Joe Cell electric response. This is now a familiar pattern to me having played with the cells for some time, but anyone never having played with them would not have ever been taught about this in any schools.

Using only distilled water and concentric stainless steel tubes spaced at .5 inches we can have voltages of 1 volt appear accross the tubes in the Northern hemisphere. Down under the voltages will soar to 3 volts. When shorted and then released the voltage springs back instantly. We do everything possible to prevent the battery or corrosion effects that happen with impure water.
Over time the water becomes more pure and impurities actually fall out of the water. The voltage effect is present as long as the tubes are wet, you can dump the water out completely and until the tubes go dry the voltages are still present, and will spring back instantly after a direct short.

This is only a geometry effect and once the water to tube voltage action is started it will feed itself indefinitly.

Now in my torsion field studies I discovered that at .5 inches the effect is good but even at closer distances it still works. The width of two thicknesses of black tape is a smaller fractal and will also work. Distances are criticle to field strength and can be optimized.

To prevent battery corrosion effects simply use distilled water, and the metals should hold up much better.
One of the effects that is not aparent is how the water molecules spin up when placed into this geometry and at the boundary of the metal and the water, a voltage is somehow generated.

The cells need to have an initial charge placed on them to start the process, and it can be applied either way, there after it will sustain with the same polarity, however the cells only have one metal, Stainless steel.

This effect is no small discovery and may have direct applications to your work here as the active ingredient is the water.
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To maintain this voltage, and then have it fill your "bifillar coil capacitors" it would then have more punch to deliver a shot of current on the discharge, and then turn this into a magnetic pulse by joining opposing ends of the iron and copper coils.

The iron wire is the active element that would be spining the water up and along its surface meeting both inwards between layers and outwards where water touches the iron we would expect a voltage to appear naturally from the Joe Cell electric effect. This is actually a torsion field effect with a voltage side effect that falls on nodal positions based on distance between layers.

We have been able to increase this effect by using special lengths, or what we call tempic field resonant lengths. In the Joe cells the tubes can be cut to exact lengths and we see the voltages become more stable. These voltages do however interact with the earth and the time of day following the tides and so probably the gravity of the sun earth and moon as they cycle 4 times a day.

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In a coil like in this cell you inititally use the galvanic response to start the cell, but after it is operating I understood the cells might often even go dry and still operate. Do not recall where I read that on Stubblefield cells, but believe it may be accurate.
Due to the geometry, if the electrodes do not go bad before the pulsing can be started, then the cells can continue to operate dry.
What I never understood about these cells is how they produce DC as a battery if they are really pulsed DC. The secondary should be outputting AC and would need a rectifier to make a DC would it not?

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I certainly do not have all the answers, but if any want to try using some of the resonant lengths, I have been exploring torsion fields and lengths of wire that seem to harness them to a high degree. The Joe Cell model is the only one I have found to produce consistent voltages.

The parameters to harness a torsion field are coil length and coil diameter. The diameter determines how the nodes will align from layer to layer. Voltages would appear from inside to outside of the coils, so with the two wires being different naterials you can see how this will cause the two metals could be further pushed apart from inside to outside, but especially from the core element to the coils, as you have been seeing happen.

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Last observation, if you take and place the core iron in series with the relay, or place it on one end of the iron wire in series, the voltage will be gained to add current to the impusle. You stated that voltages to the core were often higher. Also if this current running vertical in the core is the correct direction it will amplify the voltage surge as current starts to flow. This is from TPU study where it was shown that coils at 90 degrees will produce high voltage spikes in one another.

If you get the current backwards running vertically through the core the current will drop. It may be worth a shot to connect an electrode to both ends of the core and try this.

Also if the higher voltage experienced on the core is from torsion fields, then it should spring back almost instantly after the relay opens.

Now if you want to do this with an opened circuit, or CE approach, just use a one wire circuit to the core so that the relay opens the core totally again allowing a full fast recharge. You want current to move from iron to copper and then stop as the relay closes and opens.
Iron is negative so which ever end you tap will draw the electrons towards it as it is shorted to the copper. If the recharge is trully comming from radiant energy then it may not need a closed circuit to operate.

Sincerely,

Dave L
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