I would love to use a PWM in my system. Anyone know any good sites where they sell good quality PWM's? I know you can use less amps for the same amount of hydrogen being produced by using a PWM.

http://pwmpower.com/ is selling PWM systems.
Their  prices are not really low, IMO.... 

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Regarding making that 125cc run on HHO... I've been trying to think of a way to do the same with a 10 horse Johnson outboard... But since it is 2-cycle, can't think of a good way to inject oil in there.

I'm worried that without the 2 cycle oil, it will burn up fairly quickly. Havn't seen anything on the 'web yet about running 2 cycles on HHO, except a vid of guy running a dirt bike on it; but it didn't address the oil problem. Anyone see anything on running 2-cycles? Some bikes have oil resevoirs, which would be OK but most and outboards do not ;(     

Hi Gage, Dani1, Gchagui and everybody,

Sorry for answering late.
Sometimes, I shut down my computer for a while.

Actually, I must confess that I purchased, about a month ago, the electrodes from DallasGoldBug himself. )

I have not dismantled them... So, here is my understanding of the DallasGoldBug  setup:
There are two 'wiredrawed?' (threaded?) long stainless steel 'bolts'.
The two 'bent pipes' are of any use (gas production-wise), IMHO.
I did not remove them because they are just 'nice' (IMHO again) ).
These 'pipes' are just 'coupled'/forced  into  the 'bolts'. Sorry for my English.

I made a web page with some explanations and pictures:
http://freenrg.info/Exp_With_DallasGB_Elect

Others pictures:

(http://freenrg.info/Exp_With_DallasGB_Elect/DGB_Elec2.gif)


(http://freenrg.info/Exp_With_DallasGB_Elect/DGB_Set_Up.gif)

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I am thinking ... in this design the natural vortex that could be generated by the stacked cups is being dis-engineered by having the electrodes in the middle. A more natural design seems to be if the electrodes are on a side and in the middle of the cups there is only one hole, with the steel around the hole little lifted in the direction of the cup above it. There also could be other designs with more cup holes in the middle in a different patterns. It seems that these type of designs will create a natural vortex effect. Not sure how it will be more efficient but it "feels natural" and in sync with the ideas of Viktor Schauberger.

Again this is only an idea ...

Very good and interesting work guys 

SAS

So, then DallasGB,

do you think it might work better if the cups increased in diameter the way a joe cell does? maybe by combining your excellent idea with joe's will make the difference?

So many ideas... so little time!!!

jeanna

The same goes for the path of the electron and shapes that have corners and thickness changes are areas create areas of less gas production/ and or heat due to resistance.

Have you been able to test the electrode for long periods of time?  What kind of temperatures are you seeing after what periods of time.

DallasGoldBug,

Any updates?

Hello.

I am the guy that dallasgoldbug was mentioning as a fraud.

I posted something about my car on craigslist about trying out a fuel cell out on my car. I am a hho enthusiast like some of you I'm sure. So dallas 'mistakenly' thought my name was john, called me a fraud, and immediately threatened me with lawyers his first contact.

Some things to note here:

Patent number - Dallasgoldbug could not provide it
Patent status - Dallasgoldbug - Is it Provisional? (you know it takes 2-4 years to patent this stuff)

Also, he didn't even define 'why' his lawyers were going to call me. He didn't even refrence the cell.

Dallasgoldbug must have a patent on using cups in fuel cells. I have a patent on cutting steaks in squares.

So, with no patent number provided, and no definition of a patent status he threatens people. Good luck to those of you that attempt to learn from this man. Just remember that he has a patent on stainless steel, cups, electricity, and baking soda and water...and he has a lawyer.

I would rather not have to do this, but I am simply a broker of cells, and don't feel the need to be publicly smeared across the internet by a person that cannot provide base information while threatening people with laywers. To infringe on a patent...there must be a definition of a patent in which to violate. I think those are the rules.

Second note: If you search for "cyclone" on ebay you will find a concentric cup cell that seems pretty decently constructed. I think they ripped off dallasgoldbug, but they are not suffering from any patent infringing lawsuits either. I contacted her today to check up and make sure. When people immediately threaten you, the notion to check with all people working with you comes to mind.

1. Dallasgoldbug has no website
2. Dallasgoldbug has no ebay products
3. Dallasgoldbug has no product to show or sell

But, Dallasgoldbug will smear your name across the web in discussion boards.

Newsflash - A shitty 40 dollar SS welding coil pair and a tupperware container can be a fuel cell. I saw one made out of a sock and a lint trap. I make my own for fun out of spatulas and chopsticks. No patent number. No patent. No enforcement of said patent.

Using a cup vs a plate is not the next coming of christ. Come to my site to see 'other' peoples cells that 'allow' me to post on my site.

We can all call each other frauds and have our lawyers talk to each other, becuase that is of course what overunity is all about....laywers and greed. right?