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Author Topic: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet  (Read 79084 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« on: February 17, 2008, 06:27:13 AM »
Hello all,

about 2 weeks ago I found an interesting effect which I and another member of this forum do not understand as to why it is doing this and would like to know if anyone else knows.

In the first experiment: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0RQ6tIgoiJ8 , I pulse a coil with a 12 volt dc 7 amp power supply on the primary side (110v) of a step down transformer which goes through a full bridge rectifier and the dc side of the bridge is connected to a 200v / 330uf capacitor which is collecting the back emf. By pulsing the coil I can raise the voltage up to about 80 volts which is nothing new, however in the next experiment I add 3 pcs. of 1/4" cylinder neo magnets and pulse the top of the magnets and the voltage shoots up in less then a 1/4 of the time and can now raise up to 180v. 

Why ??? ...could this effect be used in a spark gap to an advantage?

Thank you for looking

Luc

Update February 17th 2008

Test 2: is the same circuit below but with no nickle surface, just 2 pcs. of  1/4" cylinder neo magnets with wires flattened and sandwich between them and holding by magnetic attraction. However in this arrangements I am now capable to pulse both poles of the magnets, north & south back and forth. Now voltage raises faster and higher (over 200 volts). CAUTION THIS KIND OF VOLTAGE CAN KILL.

Please note a verbal error in video: I say 7.7 volts when it is 17.7 volts
Youtube link: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWwFxNZZxc

Asked Questions:

wings Q: What happen if you exchange polarity or insert the magnet in the other way?
A: no noticeable difference

AhuraMasda Q: have you tried any other or even a steel washer?
A: yes, it works very well with aluminum but steel is not so good (if you are just pulsing the metal surface) however when you pulse the neo magnet the kind of metal the magnet is on does not seem to have any difference.

slapper Q: Is there a way for you to check the magnets before and after, maybe even during. I am curious if their strength changes?
A; I will try that later and get back with the results.
slapper Q: I am wondering if you have any different results if you flip your magnet stack and coin assembly upside down and strike the coin at the top with the magnets on the bottom.
A: I tried that and I get the best effect by pulsing the top of the magnet.

Steven Dufresne Q: Have you tried differing the number of magnets; 1 magnet, 2 magnets, 3, ...?
A: I tried just one magnet and then many and I could not detect any difference. Keep in mind that I'm pulsing by hand so the results cannot be accurate.

hartiberlin Q: So what kind of wire do you use there ?
A: copper wire with 1/4" of insulator removed
hartiberlin Q:Just a pure copper wire or is it soldered with solder-lead ?
A: just pure copper
hartiberlin Q:What is the neodym magnet?s surface ?
A: I'm quite sure the are nickel plated
Ihartiberlin Q:s it the standard nickel plating ?
A: yes standard plating. I do have one that has a chip off of it and checked it with my ohm meter and the magnet material has no resistance.

pese Q: With way the Bridge is connected inside ?
A: I did not know a FBR had different configurations. I'll look into it
« Last Edit: February 17, 2008, 11:25:55 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 07:37:13 AM »
Interesting circuit...Great video too.

Quick question for you, before I make any sort of comments:

What happens when you flip over the stack of magnets and again try your experiment, does the cap charge up any faster? any slower? any lower/high in volts?

Thanks...

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 07:44:56 AM »
Interesting circuit...Great video too.

Quick question for you, before I make any sort of comments:

What happens when you flip over the stack of magnets and again try your experiment, does the cap charge up any faster? any slower? any lower/high in volts?

Thanks...

Hi tao,

thanks for looking and replying. I did try that but found no noticeable difference that I could see, but I am doing this by hand so it's not too accurate.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
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Offline amigo

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 08:13:01 AM »
This is definitely something everyone can try and replicate, and with the collective brain power on this forum we ought to come up with some kind of an explanation. I'll see if I can dig me up an old nickel coin, the ones I have start at 1975 on.

Perhaps it is something in the trace elements of the coin that causes this effect, so might be worth while finding a more recent nickel coin (2007) and testing this...

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 11:09:14 AM »
It seems that there is a relation of the spark "plasma" with the magnet.

What happen if you exchange polarity or insert the magnet in the other way?

Interesting to testatica people ...... tesla ... EVO.....

Marzio


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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 11:40:40 AM »
@gotoluc

Thanks for sharing. I am going to try your experiment but the Canadian 5 Cents coin is going to be a problem for me.
have you tried any other or even a steel washer?

AM

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 11:45:42 AM »
Probably the spark is spinning like this effect




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Offline tinu

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 12:37:06 PM »
Interesting experiment!
Before going into fiction explanations, no matter how tempting that would be, I?d say it is necessary to eliminate the mundane ones. Therefore, I?ll make the following three assumptions:

First, I assume that the initial spark is just very poor and further on it just happens that the second is better then the first, without having anything to do with magnetic field.
In order to test it, I suggest replacing the initial coin with something that makes a better spark, thus giving a better efficiency. For instance, a piece of thin aluminum foil (kitchen foil) will surely vaporize at several amps and will provide a good spark (shorter and much richer in frequency), which is also self regulating in a good degree. A quick test will tell. If I?m correct, the use of aluminum foil should produce much faster results.

There is a second assumption, according to which the first spark extinguishes too slow, not providing a sufficient dI/dt for a good transfer of the energy into the secondary. If this is the case, aluminum foil suggested for the first assumption will do worst and what would be needed is harder metals, I think.

Last but not least, time is not all and input energy matters. For instance in the first case you may have less current (less energy) as input then in the second. So, by pumping more current in the second case is normal that the time is shorter. I therefore suggest ensuring the same input energy is provided in all experiments, either by measuring it (very difficult) or by using a large capacitor charged to a pre-defined voltage (12V or so).

Please keep us updated.

Cheers,
Tinu

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 02:01:26 PM »
I just tried it with 2?, 1? and 5 eurocent. Unfortunately no luck. Voltage doesen't increase more rapidly if I add magnets.

2? and 1? are made of "Outer Cupro-nickel Inner 3 Layers:- Nickel Brass, Nickel, Nickel Brass"
5 eurocent is made if "Copper Plated Steel".
http://24carat.co.uk/eurocoinsframe.html

Hope any of you guys will have more luck.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 02:20:36 PM »
gotoluc,

Thank you for the following things:

1. Starting a new topic in an appropriate area.

2. Using an appropriate title.

3. Posing an understandable schematic.

4. Posting a nice video with an explanation of each part used, how they are connected, how the device is used, and the results obtained.  This ties your schematic and text together in such a way as to leave very little misunderstood.

5. Your factual candor.

As you can see by the quality of the replies that you have been receiving, people are actually thinking about the concept that you bring to the table, as opposed to wondering about what lies atop of, or sitting before, that table.  Great job!

Thank you.  :)
« Last Edit: February 17, 2008, 03:52:41 PM by Rosphere »

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 03:03:50 PM »
Hi gotoluc:

Thank you for this thread. It is most appreciated. Is there a way for you to check the magnets before and after, maybe even during. I am curious if their strength changes.

Thanks again. Take care,

nap

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2008, 03:21:39 PM »
Hi gotoluc:

Sorry; another request. I am wondering if you have any different results if you flip your magnet stack and coin assembly upside down and strike the coin at the top with the magnets on the bottom.

Thanks again.

nap

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2008, 04:56:12 PM »
Hey Luc,
Have you tried differing the number of magnets; 1 magnet, 2 magnets, 3, ...? If you have only 3 and want to try more, I have a bunch here you could borrow. I suggest always using the same one for striking against in case it is a chemical effect.
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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2008, 05:02:09 PM »
Hello folks,
A quick stab at it if I may, just some observations from the video and experiment. Nice work by the way, very clear and concise demonstration and question. My first observation is the comparison of the rest, unenergized, circuit with and without the magnet stack. Without the magnets the start voltage is 0.30 VDC and climbs at a certain rate with each break of the contact with the nickle. Notice the voltmeter right after the capacitor is discharged and before the magnets are brought into the circuit via the nickle, 0.30 VDC. What happens after the magnets are put into place? Evidence of coupling for sure. Voltage on the cap is now over 1.00 VDC before the first arc is drawn. Increased magnetic flux density in that coupling and then current flow, bang, higher delta-flux/delta-time and higher charge rate. It has been my experience that magnets in Alternating fields tend to loose their residual magnetic charge. Would definitely be good to know how long the mags last. Just a qwick guess. Nice job. Hope someone gets a scope in there for a peek..........Loki

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2008, 06:17:22 PM »
Hi Luc,
many thanks for sharing.
Very interesting experiment and it reminds me
to my last Newman coil experiment I did.
I also wired parallel to the coil a bridge rectifier
the same way as you did and pulsed the coils the same
way as you did   just with
a wire and the BackEMF charged up quite a big 10.000 uF cap
very fast.

I guess the fact that , when you use the magnets
to draw the sparks you are breaking the circuit much faster
as the current is then much faster shut off in the coil and
thus you get a much higher BackEMF voltage which also
also charges up your cap much faster !

It is probably not related to the nickel coin,
but it is also related to the surface materials of your wire
and your magnets surface material.

So what kind of wire do you use there ?
Just a pure copper wire or is it soldered with solder-lead ?
What is the neodym magnet?s surface ?
Is it the standard nickel plating ?
2 far away dissimular metals work for probably the best.
So please try graphite on the magnet.
(Just take a graphite pencil as the electrode you brush the magnet with..)
So it depends how fast the spark is shut off.
Mr. Newman used in one og his motors
8 commutators is series to get the current shut off much faster, so he
could get much higher BackEMF voltages and thus more power output.

Also it will help, if you use much faster diodes, as this is RF frequencies.

And please be cuatious with your hands as 150 Volts on a 200 uF
cap can already kill you easily, especially, if your hands are wet..

Well done.
Regards, Stefan.

 

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