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Title: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on February 17, 2008, 06:27:13 AM
Hello all,

about 2 weeks ago I found an interesting effect which I and another member of this forum do not understand as to why it is doing this and would like to know if anyone else knows.

In the first experiment: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0RQ6tIgoiJ8 , I pulse a coil with a 12 volt dc 7 amp power supply on the primary side (110v) of a step down transformer which goes through a full bridge rectifier and the dc side of the bridge is connected to a 200v / 330uf capacitor which is collecting the back emf. By pulsing the coil I can raise the voltage up to about 80 volts which is nothing new, however in the next experiment I add 3 pcs. of 1/4" cylinder neo magnets and pulse the top of the magnets and the voltage shoots up in less then a 1/4 of the time and can now raise up to 180v. 

Why ??? ...could this effect be used in a spark gap to an advantage?

Thank you for looking

Luc

Update February 17th 2008

Test 2: is the same circuit below but with no nickle surface, just 2 pcs. of  1/4" cylinder neo magnets with wires flattened and sandwich between them and holding by magnetic attraction. However in this arrangements I am now capable to pulse both poles of the magnets, north & south back and forth. Now voltage raises faster and higher (over 200 volts). CAUTION THIS KIND OF VOLTAGE CAN KILL.

Please note a verbal error in video: I say 7.7 volts when it is 17.7 volts
Youtube link: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWwFxNZZxc

Asked Questions:

wings Q: What happen if you exchange polarity or insert the magnet in the other way?
A: no noticeable difference

AhuraMasda Q: have you tried any other or even a steel washer?
A: yes, it works very well with aluminum but steel is not so good (if you are just pulsing the metal surface) however when you pulse the neo magnet the kind of metal the magnet is on does not seem to have any difference.

slapper Q: Is there a way for you to check the magnets before and after, maybe even during. I am curious if their strength changes?
A; I will try that later and get back with the results.
slapper Q: I am wondering if you have any different results if you flip your magnet stack and coin assembly upside down and strike the coin at the top with the magnets on the bottom.
A: I tried that and I get the best effect by pulsing the top of the magnet.

Steven Dufresne Q: Have you tried differing the number of magnets; 1 magnet, 2 magnets, 3, ...?
A: I tried just one magnet and then many and I could not detect any difference. Keep in mind that I'm pulsing by hand so the results cannot be accurate.

hartiberlin Q: So what kind of wire do you use there ?
A: copper wire with 1/4" of insulator removed
hartiberlin Q:Just a pure copper wire or is it soldered with solder-lead ?
A: just pure copper
hartiberlin Q:What is the neodym magnet?s surface ?
A: I'm quite sure the are nickel plated
Ihartiberlin Q:s it the standard nickel plating ?
A: yes standard plating. I do have one that has a chip off of it and checked it with my ohm meter and the magnet material has no resistance.

pese Q: With way the Bridge is connected inside ?
A: I did not know a FBR had different configurations. I'll look into it
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: tao on February 17, 2008, 07:37:13 AM
Interesting circuit...Great video too.

Quick question for you, before I make any sort of comments:

What happens when you flip over the stack of magnets and again try your experiment, does the cap charge up any faster? any slower? any lower/high in volts?

Thanks...
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on February 17, 2008, 07:44:56 AM
Interesting circuit...Great video too.

Quick question for you, before I make any sort of comments:

What happens when you flip over the stack of magnets and again try your experiment, does the cap charge up any faster? any slower? any lower/high in volts?

Thanks...

Hi tao,

thanks for looking and replying. I did try that but found no noticeable difference that I could see, but I am doing this by hand so it's not too accurate.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: amigo on February 17, 2008, 08:13:01 AM
This is definitely something everyone can try and replicate, and with the collective brain power on this forum we ought to come up with some kind of an explanation. I'll see if I can dig me up an old nickel coin, the ones I have start at 1975 on.

Perhaps it is something in the trace elements of the coin that causes this effect, so might be worth while finding a more recent nickel coin (2007) and testing this...
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: wings on February 17, 2008, 11:09:14 AM
It seems that there is a relation of the spark "plasma" with the magnet.

What happen if you exchange polarity or insert the magnet in the other way?

Interesting to testatica people ...... tesla ... EVO.....

Marzio

Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 17, 2008, 11:40:40 AM
@gotoluc

Thanks for sharing. I am going to try your experiment but the Canadian 5 Cents coin is going to be a problem for me.
have you tried any other or even a steel washer?

AM
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: wings on February 17, 2008, 11:45:42 AM
Probably the spark is spinning like this effect




picture from:

 http://www.hcrs.at/
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: tinu on February 17, 2008, 12:37:06 PM
Interesting experiment!
Before going into fiction explanations, no matter how tempting that would be, I?d say it is necessary to eliminate the mundane ones. Therefore, I?ll make the following three assumptions:

First, I assume that the initial spark is just very poor and further on it just happens that the second is better then the first, without having anything to do with magnetic field.
In order to test it, I suggest replacing the initial coin with something that makes a better spark, thus giving a better efficiency. For instance, a piece of thin aluminum foil (kitchen foil) will surely vaporize at several amps and will provide a good spark (shorter and much richer in frequency), which is also self regulating in a good degree. A quick test will tell. If I?m correct, the use of aluminum foil should produce much faster results.

There is a second assumption, according to which the first spark extinguishes too slow, not providing a sufficient dI/dt for a good transfer of the energy into the secondary. If this is the case, aluminum foil suggested for the first assumption will do worst and what would be needed is harder metals, I think.

Last but not least, time is not all and input energy matters. For instance in the first case you may have less current (less energy) as input then in the second. So, by pumping more current in the second case is normal that the time is shorter. I therefore suggest ensuring the same input energy is provided in all experiments, either by measuring it (very difficult) or by using a large capacitor charged to a pre-defined voltage (12V or so).

Please keep us updated.

Cheers,
Tinu
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: futuristic on February 17, 2008, 02:01:26 PM
I just tried it with 2?, 1? and 5 eurocent. Unfortunately no luck. Voltage doesen't increase more rapidly if I add magnets.

2? and 1? are made of "Outer Cupro-nickel Inner 3 Layers:- Nickel Brass, Nickel, Nickel Brass"
5 eurocent is made if "Copper Plated Steel".
http://24carat.co.uk/eurocoinsframe.html

Hope any of you guys will have more luck.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Rosphere on February 17, 2008, 02:20:36 PM
gotoluc,

Thank you for the following things:

1. Starting a new topic in an appropriate area.

2. Using an appropriate title.

3. Posing an understandable schematic.

4. Posting a nice video with an explanation of each part used, how they are connected, how the device is used, and the results obtained.  This ties your schematic and text together in such a way as to leave very little misunderstood.

5. Your factual candor.

As you can see by the quality of the replies that you have been receiving, people are actually thinking about the concept that you bring to the table, as opposed to wondering about what lies atop of, or sitting before, that table.  Great job!

Thank you.  :)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: slapper on February 17, 2008, 03:03:50 PM
Hi gotoluc:

Thank you for this thread. It is most appreciated. Is there a way for you to check the magnets before and after, maybe even during. I am curious if their strength changes.

Thanks again. Take care,

nap
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: slapper on February 17, 2008, 03:21:39 PM
Hi gotoluc:

Sorry; another request. I am wondering if you have any different results if you flip your magnet stack and coin assembly upside down and strike the coin at the top with the magnets on the bottom.

Thanks again.

nap
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Steven Dufresne on February 17, 2008, 04:56:12 PM
Hey Luc,
Have you tried differing the number of magnets; 1 magnet, 2 magnets, 3, ...? If you have only 3 and want to try more, I have a bunch here you could borrow. I suggest always using the same one for striking against in case it is a chemical effect.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Loki67671 on February 17, 2008, 05:02:09 PM
Hello folks,
A quick stab at it if I may, just some observations from the video and experiment. Nice work by the way, very clear and concise demonstration and question. My first observation is the comparison of the rest, unenergized, circuit with and without the magnet stack. Without the magnets the start voltage is 0.30 VDC and climbs at a certain rate with each break of the contact with the nickle. Notice the voltmeter right after the capacitor is discharged and before the magnets are brought into the circuit via the nickle, 0.30 VDC. What happens after the magnets are put into place? Evidence of coupling for sure. Voltage on the cap is now over 1.00 VDC before the first arc is drawn. Increased magnetic flux density in that coupling and then current flow, bang, higher delta-flux/delta-time and higher charge rate. It has been my experience that magnets in Alternating fields tend to loose their residual magnetic charge. Would definitely be good to know how long the mags last. Just a qwick guess. Nice job. Hope someone gets a scope in there for a peek..........Loki
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 17, 2008, 06:17:22 PM
Hi Luc,
many thanks for sharing.
Very interesting experiment and it reminds me
to my last Newman coil experiment I did.
I also wired parallel to the coil a bridge rectifier
the same way as you did and pulsed the coils the same
way as you did   just with
a wire and the BackEMF charged up quite a big 10.000 uF cap
very fast.

I guess the fact that , when you use the magnets
to draw the sparks you are breaking the circuit much faster
as the current is then much faster shut off in the coil and
thus you get a much higher BackEMF voltage which also
also charges up your cap much faster !

It is probably not related to the nickel coin,
but it is also related to the surface materials of your wire
and your magnets surface material.

So what kind of wire do you use there ?
Just a pure copper wire or is it soldered with solder-lead ?
What is the neodym magnet?s surface ?
Is it the standard nickel plating ?
2 far away dissimular metals work for probably the best.
So please try graphite on the magnet.
(Just take a graphite pencil as the electrode you brush the magnet with..)
So it depends how fast the spark is shut off.
Mr. Newman used in one og his motors
8 commutators is series to get the current shut off much faster, so he
could get much higher BackEMF voltages and thus more power output.

Also it will help, if you use much faster diodes, as this is RF frequencies.

And please be cuatious with your hands as 150 Volts on a 200 uF
cap can already kill you easily, especially, if your hands are wet..

Well done.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: pese on February 17, 2008, 08:57:22 PM
Luc.
Important .
With way the Bridge is connected inside ?

- AC AC +     (is the usual way)
- AC # AC     (is also used -europ)


Your circuit is possibley used the  2. sort ob rectifier bridges,

BUT for "understand" This circuit and the Working" exactly, WE must know
the right way of the 4 diodes inside the bridge,
Pese
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on February 17, 2008, 10:39:21 PM
    
Hi all and thanks for looking and your input. I have been busy doing another video with better results and it will answer most of your questions.

I will keep posting updates at my first page of this thread in order to keep it all information at one place instead of all over this thread. So please keep looking at the first page for the latest information and frequently asked questions.

Please go to my 1st Post: "Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet" for the most up to date information.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.0/topicseen.html

Thanks

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 17, 2008, 10:58:16 PM
Hi Luc,
great second video.

With the 2 magnets you even shut off the current in the transformer coil even faster, so more
BackEMF voltage as the cuttoff of the current is faster thus higher induction voltage and thus more energy inside the cap.

As inductionVoltage = - L x di / dt
as you shorten the switch time dt you get a higher induction voltage.


Did you use the low voltage coil of the transformer or
the 110 Volt side ?
Maybe do you have a scope and can show
the input current at a shunt into the transformer coil ?
But be careful, use at least a 10:1 scope head as
the BackEMF spikes could kill your scope input.
You will probably have around 2000 Volts of Spikes there, so also be cautious
not to touch with both hands each end of the coil !

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Well done.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 17, 2008, 11:15:21 PM
Hi Pese and all,
as I have performed this test also already
with my Newman coil, which I also did post a while
ago here in a Bedini thread
( still have to search for it)
here is enclosed the right polarity that you have to use
for the bridge rectifier.
Many thanks topLuc tobring this up.
Yes,now I see, that you used the secondary lower impedance side
of the transformer, so not the 110 Volts side.
At 17.7 Volts and about 2.5 Ohm
coil resistance, you draw already about 7 amps,
if your inductance is not too big, so the current reaches the
end value of the exponential current curve,
which is CoilCurrent(t)= I(end) x ( 1 - e^t/tau)
which comes out to a momenttariry 125Watts of input power.
Butas you switch fast enough with your pulsing the wire, this
input power level probably will never be reached.
I guess you are having the same effect as
Magnetocaster has used in his older machine
and also Mr. Newman is using in his sparking commutators.

Regards,Stefan.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on February 18, 2008, 12:09:06 AM
Yes,now I see, that you used the secondary lower impedance side
of the transformer, so not the 110 Volts side.
At 17.7 Volts and about 2.5 Ohm
coil resistance, you draw already about 7 amps,

Regards,Stefan.

Stefan, you are confusing the new power supply I now use in Test 2 with the transformer I pulse.

@all, please note in both tests, I pulse the same transformer on its primary (110v 2.5 ohms) side. However in Test 2 I used a 12v - 1,200ma power supply instead of the 12v - 7amp in the first video. So please note, even though I used a lower output power supply to pulse the new configuration of 2 neo magnets alternately pulsed N-S, I was able to raise the voltage faster and higher. I have no Ideal of how hi I can go since my cap can only take 200v. I will do Test 3 with a 3.7v 350ma power supply and see how hi I can go with that kind of small input.

Please click: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.0/topicseen.html  For most up to date information.

Thanks

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: futuristic on February 18, 2008, 12:13:11 AM
Second video is not working... it says "This video is unavailable.".
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on February 18, 2008, 01:01:41 AM
I just tried it on 2 different computers and it worked for me ???

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 18, 2008, 03:40:07 AM
Yes,now I see, that you used the secondary lower impedance side
of the transformer, so not the 110 Volts side.
At 17.7 Volts and about 2.5 Ohm
coil resistance, you draw already about 7 amps,

Regards,Stefan.

Stefan, you are confusing the new power supply I now use in Test 2 with the transformer I pulse.

all, please note in both tests[/color][/b][/u], I pulse the same transformer on its primary (110v 2.5 ohms) side.
Luc

Hi Luc,
are you sure your primary 110 Volts side of the used transformer has only
got 2.5 Ohms DC resistance ?
Sounds a bit low for the 110 Volts side of such a small transformer...??
I would have expected at least more than 100 Ohm...

What Wattage rating does this transformer  have ? just 5 to 10 Watts ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: 2nd Youtube video works over here too.
Be cautious not to fry the cap with too high voltages !
If you have a graphite pencile ( Normal school pencil)
try this one instead of the copper wire as the electrode
( Just put the copper wire around the graphite rod and brush
with the graphite rod at your magnets.
How is this then ?

Also try to use water droplets at the contact surface, so you
suppress the spark with the water being in the spark gap.
You will see, that it really makes a difference and the voltage
will be much lower as there is not much high voltage oscillation then.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: wings on February 18, 2008, 03:54:21 AM
Many thanks topLuc,
if radiant energy is involved here probably you can have more effect including in the ciruit a battery instead of electronic PS, the effect of the battery is well explained in Bedini.

My feeling .. inductance and the battery retard the flow of the current and the magnet is like a barrier ... see Tesla switching devices.

Ciao Marzio
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on February 18, 2008, 03:58:07 AM
Hi Luc,
are you sure your primary 110 Volts side of the used transformer has only
got 2.5 Ohms DC resistance ?
Sounds a bit low for the 110 Volts side of such a small transformer...??
I would have expected at least more than 100 Ohm...

What Wattage rating does this transformer  have ? just 5 to 10 Watts ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: brush with the graphite rod at your magnets

I am quite sure since the other side (35v) is 1.1 ohm.  I have no ideal of the watts rating of the transformer. I took it out of a switch mode power supply made for a small computer.

I'll try the graphite rod on the magnets.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: wings on February 18, 2008, 04:14:01 AM
here the tesla magnetic spar gap (switch)

Marzio
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on February 18, 2008, 04:27:40 AM
Thanks wings for your replies and information,

Huum :'( ...too bad Tesla isn't here to explain the difference with what he did with magnets in the spark gap compared to what I'm doing.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 18, 2008, 04:50:50 AM
Hi Luc,
you are diverting the spark away from the other electrode it wants to reach,
so you switch off the spark much faster.
This is also what Tesla already invented and so he could have a much better and higher
induction BackEMF voltage from his coils.
The same you are doing now.
The spark is just bend away from your  copper wire and magnet, so the
current goes out much faster and thus you have more charge up
induction voltage inyour cap.

Yes, try with a droplet of water between it and
then also try with just a graphite rod from a pencil
versus the magnet.
Please let us know, what will work best with your setup.
Many thanks.

P.S. What will happen,if you use the other side of the transformer ?
How fast will this coil charge up the cap ?
Probably even faster, right ?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: slapper on February 18, 2008, 04:51:51 AM
Thanks for the reply gotoluc.

slapper Q: Is there a way for you to check the magnets before and after, maybe even during. I am curious if their strength changes?
A; I will try that later and get back with the results.
slapper Q: I am wondering if you have any different results if you flip your magnet stack and coin assembly upside down and strike the coin at the top with the magnets on the bottom.
A: I tried that and I get the best effect by pulsing the top of the magnet.

I got out my crude version of Gray's conversion tube and stuck a magnetic at the end.
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/GtubeWmag.gif)
I will be testing to see what difference there is with the magnet running a spark through it. No positive results
to share. I think I will replace the steel rod with a copper one. I will get into this in detail some other time and
share results later. I do not want to distract you from Thane's work.

Steven Mark got some of his tpu's going using a magnet in a similar fashion. It might help solve a piece of the
tpu puzzle.

Thanks again and take care.

nap
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: wings on February 18, 2008, 07:15:11 AM
Stefan

 h20 + carbon + sparck = Nanotubes and fullerenes

Nanotubes = elecron cluster = high  temperature superconductor

Is this the way?

But you add another effect to the actual one.

 Step by step.

Marzio
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: tinu on February 18, 2008, 10:27:16 AM
Thanks again for your efforts (additional experiments and second movie).

I?d like to stress that ?electricity amplification? may not be the most appropriate name as it implies a huge Eureka, if real. Observation is not intended to be caustic in any way but just posted here to get one real. It is not directed to you, Luc, either, so please don?t take it personally. But it?s just the fair post it should be read here and maybe in a lot of other threads where one can find about ?self running micro TPU?, ?self running cold electricity from ?.? etc., etc. Well, all of them should be firstly proved and only then announced, not the other way.
Ok, no that I?ve let it out, lets get back to current experiments.

In order to prove ?electricity amplification?, one has to get close to the following case:
- 330microF at 200V stores about 6.6J (1/2CU2);
- an electric source at 17.6V and 120mA will charge the above cap at 200V in 3.125s, at 100% efficiency;
- in practice, in raising the voltage (additional electronics etc) one may easily attain a 70-75% efficiency. I did it, using regular/cheap components; there is nothing spectacular about it.
- by considering an efficiency of 0.7, the time needed to charge the cap would be 4.46s;
- so far, in the last movie 35s were needed for doing it (from 4:39 to 5:14);
Considering the above, in order to speak about electricity amplification, the setup shall be improved by at least a factor of 7.7 (35/4.5). Until then, it unfortunately remains a DC-DC step-up converter.
In reality things are much worst than 7.7 because, as one knows, a rate of 120mA for an adapter is just a nominal (long-run) rate. The adapter is usually containing an electrolytic, thus able of providing quite large initial current but, even besides that electrolytic, the transformer and electronics usually sustain 10x as rated for short periods.

That being said, I look forward for further evolution and improvements.

Cheers,
Tinu
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 18, 2008, 12:44:30 PM
Camster's video may be relevant: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qII_gsz-7ec

@tinu,
I believe gotoluc has presented a very interesting observation.
Think of the possibilities: A "C" shaped magnet and the wire oscillating back and forth in the open end using some kind of relay contact and cradle.
Of course all Heath Robinson.
On another thread of thought, could this idea lead to some sort of home brewed "Firestorm" spark plug?


Regards

AM
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 18, 2008, 09:40:12 PM
Hi Luc,
you really have to measure,
how much input power you draw during the
sparking.

One easy method would be to use a big capacitor,
say 100.000 uF charged up to 12 Volts and then use this
as the power supply.

Then make a few sparks until the cap is maybe at 6 Volts and
then see, how high the voltage is at the output cap.

Now compare the energy levels of the caps via
0.5x C x voltage^2

Then you know,if you have more energy at the output cap
versus the difference energy drawn from the input cap.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: abassign on February 18, 2008, 11:32:25 PM
I don't think that it deals with an interesting experiment, at least that other elements don't intervene his favor. The motive for my consideration is simple and is born from a simple observation:

The rule of the energy of the condensers is the following:
E = 1/2*C*V^2

I have noticed a great regularity in to rub the metal with the copper wire,  it is obvious that this produces elevated spike of tension, that is accumulated by the condenser (I don't know with how much energy is used for this work...).

I have built a chart with the following columns:
Col A: Time from the experiment start
Col B: Voltage displayed by multimeter
Col C: Condenser energy E = 1/2*C*V^2 (For example 333 microF, but this value is not important)
Col D: Q Energy (Q es quantum), this is the quantity of energy (J/s) that I must accumulate every second to get a certain increase of voltage. Varying this quantity I must reduce the sum of voltage difference (Col. F), the most correct value is when the sum is zero
Col E: calculated voltage ( V = radq(2 * E / C))
Col F: voltage diference

At this point I observe the diagram (red curve) and known that it is very similar to the original (blue curve).

The tension increase is caused by the due accumulation to the spikes of tension. Don't seem me a very particular phenomenon!

If the phenomenon is great with the coin for two motives:
1. The coin is wrinkled and therefore it favors the sparks.
2. The coin has a greater area than the magnets, therefore during the movement of the hand there is more time of contact.

The only way to understand in more correct way the phenomenon is that to measure, through an oscilloscope, the real quantity of energy absorbed by the device.
To understand if the magnets influence the phenomenon all it takes is replacing them with a piece of metal, that has however the same superficial characteristics.

Excuse me however if I keep on doubting on this way to conduct the experiment, but I find it too much inaccurate.

Best regards,
Adriano





Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 18, 2008, 11:50:01 PM
Hi Adriano,
I don?t understand.
Are these your own measurements with your own device ?

What are you exactly calculating there ?
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on February 19, 2008, 12:29:04 AM
The magnetic field more swiftly blowing out the spark makes sense of course, Harti is right of course.

But video 2 where for some reason alternating north/south amplifies the already amplified effect further is very interesting, that is just weird.

The best 'artifact' I can think of is that you are pulling the wire from the magnet in a different direction when trying the alternating setup, so try this.

Do a test where the arc and the magnetic field lines are paralle, in other words move the wire straight off the magnet facel. (single or alternating poll)
And then do a test off to the side where it is largely cutting across the lines.


Other ideas: have the arc off of a different conductive metal which is on the magnet such as using some aluminium foil over the magnet.

Try pulsing the other polarity instead, I forget which side you are currently doing.

Try without a magnet but see if you can quench the spark gap in some other way, doubt blowing will work but you never know.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: abassign on February 19, 2008, 01:22:06 AM
@hartiberlin

I have observed only with attention the 2 video, from the minute 4 and 39 seconds I have read, through the function of stop of the player, the data from the multimeter and I have the data to drawing the curve. The rest is only exercise of simulation on a possible electric model.
Through the methods of the following approximations I have found how much energy produced the system... however don't seem me a lot of, sincerely.

Ciao
Adriano
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: plengo on February 21, 2008, 01:06:52 AM
I replicated your experiment and I think that the original effect is real. Even though it is very subjective the whole process, one can still perform it and see it and feel it.

It does definitely increase the voltage faster and to a higher level with more powerfull magnets. One needs a good chunck of current too. In my case I need above 2amps to achieve any sparks and higher increase of voltage above 80v.

The north/south pole also worked even better in my replication. Interesting stuff indeed.

Fausto.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on February 21, 2008, 03:22:29 AM
Hi Fausto,
please try with 2 pencil graphite spark plugs in series,
so you have 2 arcs running in series.

Once I did it with my old Newman coil I registered just negative
current input.
The more sparkplugs one has in series, the lower will be the input current and
sometimes it also goes purely negative !
It seems the sparks somehow introduce more negative
currents into the circuit and free electrons from the sparking and
electrode burnup come into the circuit as new free electron conductors.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: zaydana on May 31, 2008, 09:54:15 PM
Hey guys

I tried this tonight with two big caps, a couple big neos, some 1N4007s and a microwave transformer. It looked promising till I tried charging one cap using this method, and using the other cap to power it. The most energy I could recover was about 1/4 of what was in the intial cap.

About the only interesting thing I got out of it was that both the 400V 220uF cap that I used earlier and the 8200uf 50V caps that I used to try to charge one with the other both charged to about 2 or 3V after a good short circuiting when they were charged using this method. Let me know if thats interesting, but I think I recall hearing somewhere that that is normal of electrolytics.

 - James
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 15, 2008, 01:33:16 AM
What I am percieving from this excellent thread,

1 - Electrons want to jump off a North pole and want to enter a South pole magnet. Thus arcing to one side of the magnet should produce a faster rise time of the arc, and the other side a faster cut off time.

2 - By moving to opposite sides of the magnet on each arc we are maximizing both a faster rise time and a faster disconnect time.

3 - Now if one was to make the contact at the South pole side, slide the wire up and disconnect it from the North side, all the faster pulsing would dissappear.

4 - Conversly if we connect on the North side, and then disconnect from the South side, we would have the strongest square waves possible and the voltage should increase faster.

By hitting the wire back and forth I would assume that possibly we are creating the last instance sited.

This could be tested by sliding only one way across the magnets each time.

This would appear to be a sharp square wave generator, without introducing semiconductor heat!

Further you will discover that adding certain materials on each side of the magnet will alter its interaction.

I discovered that when arcing onto a large copper tube, placing even a small layer of water inside the tube will stop the arc from wanting to jump, and the gap becomes much smaller for the same voltage.
Arcs do not want to jump to Aluminum at all and almost as bad as water.

Copper and iron suck up arcs like electron magnets and with a 4 foot tube you no longer need a return ground wire to keep making beautiful arcs to them.

So placing an Aluminum layer on the south pole of the magnet may increase the disconnect pulse intensity, and placing copper or iron on the north pole side may increase the connect intensity. Simply wrap these over the ends of the magnet such that they touch at the center, the wire can now slide along them, and one direction of slide may do more then the other direction.

Dave L

 
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 15, 2008, 02:49:55 AM
Hi Dave,

thanks for looking at this tread :D It has been a while since someone has looked here. This effect is intersting and I have new developments but have not posted them. Maybe I'll do a new video and also test your copper and aluminum theory at the same time.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: poynt99 on June 15, 2008, 03:34:29 AM
Luc,

yes this is most interesting

please post your latest experiments, results, and findings/conclusions

thanks
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 15, 2008, 03:39:11 AM
Luc,

yes this is most interesting

please post your latest experiments, results, and findings/conclusions

thanks
Okay, I've got many things I'm working on at this time, so it may take some days to get it together.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 15, 2008, 04:11:05 AM
Just did an experiment.

I am using the +12 volts of a PC power supply to fire off an automotive HV coil. Approx 15 Kv I would guess.

As I hit the coil with +12 volts, the HV side is arcing between a Copper and Aluminum tube. It jumps from the copper to the aluminum.
Normally I can get about 1/16" jump using my hands to pulse the coil.

OK I add one fairly large cylindrical neo magnet to the low voltage side of the circuit. Using copper wires to tap the magnet pole to pole.

The HV side will now jump well over 1/4" into the aluminum tube. A very healthy spark for sure.
You can see why Tesla would have started using magnets for this kind of work, wow. Big difference on the output side.
As well on the low voltage current side of the circuit I am also getting wilder sparks.

I placed a copper sheath over the magnet in an attempt to protect its surface from damage. Now the sparks are reduced but still higher, The highest arcs are when I directly hit the magnet with the connections. The magnet is sucking the electricity flow into it and off the copper sheath. The arcs jump between the copper sheath and the magnet even when the wires are only on the copper sheath.

I next tried using a nail passing through a cylindrical magnet with a hole in the center, this also works, but slightly less increase. You can see you must pass the electricity through the magnetic material itself to get the strongest increase.

I started trying to increase the arc on the HV side of this circuit by placing the magnet inside the copper tube electrode, and this gave very minimal increase in the gap length. Using the magnet in the low voltage side produced far greater results.

There is a slight increase in the arc with the south pole up on the common of the power, [negative voltage leaving the South pole into the arc], but there is an increase in arc in both directions through the magnet over just using copper wire to wire connection.

A magnet would appear to be a negative resistance in this case boosting the energy of a transition.

This would tend to confirm the observation that we are lowering the transition time of the voltage on the low voltage side of the coil which causes a faster transition in the coil, and thus a greater EMF on the discharge side of the coil.

I next placed the magnet on a large copper wire such that the wire is passing inside the magnet, I also tried wrapping a coil around the magnet, and with these I now arced copper wire to copper wire and observed no increase in the HV spark. The current must move through the magnetic material to use this effect. Now using an aluminum tube I also get a minimal increase with a magnet next to it verses no magnet, now arcing copper to aluminum.

It might be intresting to add water to the experiment but will take more thought.

Dave L

Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 15, 2008, 04:32:59 AM
Last experiment:

I wanted to know what if anything bismuth would do for an arc. I have a slug of 1/2" copper tube filled with bismuth.
Placing this in the HV side of the circuit and arcing its outer copper to another copper tube I observed a multiple arcing effect.
The Bismuth resists the arc and generates an opposing field to it. The arc seems to strike multiple times during one coil transition.

I first tried this directly to the bismuth and noticed it was pitting badly, observing the copper outside it now doing the same only without the pitting indicates the effect is being transmitted into the copper where arcing is not so destructive.

These multiple arc strikes sound like a machine gun! Very cool.
This also seems to intensify the arcs in some way, both brighter and louder, indicating possibly a faster transition, but also some kind of natural pulsating resistance to the arc manifesting as an oscillation.

Dave L
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 15, 2008, 06:42:33 AM

These multiple arc strikes sound like a machine gun! Very cool.
This also seems to intensify the arcs in some way, both brighter and louder, indicating possibly a faster transition, but also some kind of natural pulsating resistance to the arc manifesting as an oscillation.

Dave L
Great tests Dave, the louder ark noise was the first effect I noticed then the others as you mention.

In the video I will show how you can convert 12 vdc to 120 vac just by using a magnet and a transformer, no other electronics are needed. It is the most efficient inverter I have seen to date. I have even tried to close the loop and see what it would do, it's kind of cool, it sounds like when you cut the power to a motor, it winds down. Now mind you that I had to convert my output back to dc to feed it back to the magnet since you cannot pulse ac on the magnet.

Anyways stay tuned for the video.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 16, 2008, 10:02:47 AM
Luc,

I had another thought on this. If one was to wrap iron tie wire around a toroidal type magnet, like my cylinder with a hole through the center, and get it insulated enough, you could pass the circuit through a very long magnetic field of iron using only one magnet.
Now you need to pass this into a very thin silver arcing tip. The copper and iron wear down too fast for continous arcing like this.

May try this when I get some time. Busy charging the Joe Cell water today with a new electrolizer.I will watch for the vedio, thanks.

Dave L
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 16, 2008, 04:48:57 PM
@gotoluc ,
I just read your experiment. The video is very good. I would agree that the increase in voltage is due to the faster rise and fall times of the current through the coil due to sparking. If you haven't seen the videos by Hydrogen Tap you might want to look at 100 to 103. He noticed sparks coming from magnets perpendicular to north-south axis of magnet at low voltages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnlviCqu70
There seems to be some mechanism in the magnets that stores up energy and then very quickly discharges it as a spark.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 16, 2008, 10:15:34 PM
@gotoluc ,
Hydrogen Tap was getting sparks about one inch long which would seem to indicate a voltage of hundreds, or thousands, of volts using only a 14 volt input. So maybe this voltage multiplication is also contributing to the higher coil output voltages you are getting. It is hard to see the sparks in his videos. He had a loop with just the spark repeated 16 times, but that seems to no longer be posted. Using two magnets with a tap point between them as in your video seems like to best way to get the voltage out.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 17, 2008, 04:47:31 AM
Luc,

I had another thought on this. If one was to wrap iron tie wire around a toroidal type magnet, like my cylinder with a hole through the center, and get it insulated enough, you could pass the circuit through a very long magnetic field of iron using only one magnet.
Now you need to pass this into a very thin silver arcing tip. The copper and iron wear down too fast for continous arcing like this.

May try this when I get some time. Busy charging the Joe Cell water today with a new electrolizer.I will watch for the vedio, thanks.

Dave L
Hi Dave, not a bad ideal :D. However I did try a small roll of plastic coated metal wire that I turned on a plastic spool and then stuck on a 2" x 1" round N50 Neo magnet and pulsed the magnet and did not find anything special.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 17, 2008, 05:14:36 AM
@gotoluc ,
I just read your experiment. The video is very good. I would agree that the increase in voltage is due to the faster rise and fall times of the current through the coil due to sparking. If you haven't seen the videos by Hydrogen Tap you might want to look at 100 to 103. He noticed sparks coming from magnets perpendicular to north-south axis of magnet at low voltages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnlviCqu70
There seems to be some mechanism in the magnets that stores up energy and then very quickly discharges it as a spark.
Hi xee, thanks for looking and posting Hydrogen Tap's link. I did see that test last year. It is a very good test and also very visual. I'm glad you brought it up :D. I have also noticed something like this. What I will show in the video is I can do a self resonating pulses one side of the magnet but if I go on the other side the pulse wire just gets stuck to the magnet and does not pulse. It is kind of hard to explain, that's why I'll do a video of it and since you brought this up I will now also show that effect.

Thanks for reminding me.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 19, 2008, 09:27:33 AM
Hi all,

this is the updated video I said I would do of my findings using a Neo magnet to create an auto oscillation pulse which can convert DC to pulse DC that can be transformed to create what ever AC voltage you need by choosing the correct step up or step down transformer. The transformer in this video is a 2 x 115 volt to 2 x 25 volt. I'm using the 2 x 25v (group) as my inputs for my Neo pulsed with the 12vdc and using one of the 115v as my output to the bulb. What I am trying to show is that a Neo magnet can actually auto pulse or vibrate a copper wire and is actually very efficient at it, if you keep the pressure and the sparking to a minimum. I have had it as good as 95% efficient which are the limitations of the toroid transformer. Also please not that the pulsing wire needs to be a single stand of thin copper wire and also well secured in the clip so that it vibrates if you flick it with you finger. The length and the pressure applied to the wire on the magnet will change the pulse frequency will increase or decrease the transformed voltage. Another thing to note is electricity travels in a circular motion (polarity) around the wire, so if the wire sticks to one side of the magnet then try the other side. Play around with it and learn how it works and see if you can't find a use or improvements for it.

Youtube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M5j6fe8rXc

Thanks for looking.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Koen1 on June 19, 2008, 11:32:00 AM
Have you tried this with different magnets as well?

I ask because it occurred to me that most neo magnets are
coated with a layer of some other metal nowadays (like a thin
layer of gold, silver, whatnot)...
and there is a chance the different metals play a role in this
phenomenon. 
Although it looks like the magnet is indeed important to obtain
the greater spark, and this is not known to happen with just
different metals... Yes, current flow can be hindered or stimulated
by the junction of two different metals, but not generally when seperated
by a spark gap... That would mean some kind of non-contact diode
effect and that is not something I have ever read about...

It does however remind me of mr Pajaks "telepathic pyramid" design and
his related stories, in which he presents the claim that a permanent magnet
can be used to accellerate electrons at the poles of the magnet, and can
thus be used to build an OU resonator...
And it also reminds me of what mr Coler (Cohler?) did in his Magnetstromapparat,
where several (6?) permanent magnets were placed in a hexagon spaced just
slightly apart, and coils wrapped around the magnets with the coil wire actually
attached to the magnets, and hooked to a fairly simple capacitor circuit.
By gently and symmetrically increasing the spacing he was able to increase
the output to a usefull level.

In general any such suggestions and claims of magnets directly boosting output
have always been countered by the scientific establishment as being impossible.

It is interesting to see that you seem to be confirming such claims. :)

Have you tested if the magnet is weakened in any way by your zapping it?
That seems important to know...

Thanks for posting, keep it up, and good luck with your experiments! :)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 19, 2008, 06:13:31 PM
Have you tried this with different magnets as well?
there is a chance the different metals play a role in this phenomenon. 

Have you tested if the magnet is weakened in any way by your zapping it?
That seems important to know...
Hi Koen,

thanks for looking at this tread.
To answer your question one above is the magnet needs to be conductive for this effect to happen (if pulsing the surface), so ceramic magnets won't work. Also the stronger the magnets are the easier it is to get the effect. The surface of most neo magnets are coated with a nickle alloy which I think really helps with the contact of the wire since it makes the surface smooth and nickel is a great conductor. However if I press harder on the wire to increase the output voltage (which makes a faster pulse frequency like I said above) the plasma will starts to show up so it gets really hot and burns the surface of the magnet and wire so it is less conductive and the process degrades from there. One thing to keep in mind is the Neo magnet material itself is conductive, so I don't think it is just the nickel plating at work here, it just helps with contact.

I have not noticed any weakening of the magnet, however I do not have a gauss meter, so if anyone has one, could you please try the process and comfirm is it weakens the magnet or not.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 19, 2008, 06:59:14 PM
Luc,
Thanks for the video, very impressive.

An inverter function from a magnet!

When you put the wire under and it sucks to the magnet. The current in the wire must be creating an aiding magnetic field and closing the contact until it is release somewhere else. This could be used in a series pulsing circuit where the current is broken opened somewhere else. It would function as a latching relay.

If you set up two in a row, one polarized to suck in and the other already touching, polarized to push out, can you create an oscillator?

A spark gap oscillator.
Last thing is to add some silver or carbon contacts so it will no longer fry the copper.

Dave L

Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 19, 2008, 07:41:59 PM
If you set up two in a row, one polarized to suck in and the other already touching, polarized to push out, can you create an oscillator?
Hi Dave, by using one magnet it is already creating an oscillator!... that is what I'm demonstrating here!...so I'm not too sure what you are asking.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 19, 2008, 08:46:07 PM

The pattern I have observed:

For an over unity system pushing into the negative or cold electric CE side you want very sharp discharge rate. For a hot system like the TPU you want extremely fast rise times.

A duty cycle of 40 - 60, that is, a wave that goes to - or negative voltage for 40 percent of its duty cycle and then gives a 60 percent resting time back to its zero discharged state, is producing strong fields in water. [Joe Cell work]

It is an advantage to be able to adust the frequency, and the duty cycle, for a peak effect of the components you are pulsing.

The toroidal transformer may have ideal peaking for both the hot and the cold electric forms. You will be able to tell by its temprature as energy is moving through it. If you get the toroidal core operating in the cold side by using the spark gap right you will be on new ground.

It is hoped that tapping the flow this way through the cold side will alter the power ratios for input and output. The spark gap is supposed to be one of these methods also.

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I would like to know what happens if you run the negative battery lead through the center of the toriodal core and then over to the arc, then back through the coil and then into the light bulb and back to the battery.

Next take one of your spare windings and connect it up in a reversing polarity the same way. Both windings now have the arc between them, and power applied to the other ends on "opposing coils." This will create a cancelling magnetic field inside the toroidal core that still will allow extremely short pulses to pass at very high frequency. As the current surges during the arc, it will hit a wall in the toroid and then dissappear for a time then slowly build, I think....LOL!

This should alter the arcs qualities considerably. There is suposedly a combination that will produce vacuum around the arc. It will stop flaming outwards and turn into a compression arc, almost dissappearing but still very powerful.

This  method is creating a strong A field towards the center of the toroidal core.

Also you could try metering the voltage setting on the extra windings, then just shorting the extra windings, you may get a surprise. On a CT or current transformer, the voltage on an opened winding can climb extremely high, they normally keep the unused windings shorted in power meter work??? Not sure how this will translate on your set up to power in versus power out. Just know that toroidal transformers are not the same as basic square ones with opened magnetic poles.

So here in the toroidal transformer you have one intresting way to produce very high voltages, and in the spark gap another. You have two components there that have both been used for OU devices, and cold energy. Your magnet pulsing has greatly simplified this, and is probably more what Tesla must have been doing.

Thanks for sharing!

Dave L

Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 19, 2008, 11:00:27 PM
I would like to know what happens if you run the negative battery lead through the center of the toriodal core and then over to the arc, then back through the coil and then into the light bulb and back to the battery.

Next take one of your spare windings and connect it up in a reversing polarity the same way. Both windings now have the arc between them, and power applied to the other ends on "opposing coils." This will create a cancelling magnetic field inside the toroidal core that still will allow extremely short pulses to pass at very high frequency. As the current surges during the arc, it will hit a wall in the toroid and then dissappear for a time then slowly build, I think....LOL!

Dave L

 :-\ humm I'm more of a visual kind of guy ::) I would like to do your test but I don't think I can do it by just following your written instructions. Can you provide me with a diagram or anything visual. You can just draw it on paper and scan or take a picture of it.

Thanks Dave

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: jeanna on June 20, 2008, 01:09:48 AM
Luc,

This a terrific thread. And your videos are clear.
Thank you.

Would you mind making a drawing of this circuit that is on your latest video?

My impression is that it is close to but not the same as your previous ones.

I think what you are doing relates very well to my ideas for the stubblefield generator. I even set it up once to make a spark gap, so I am thinking you may be giving me the missing piece for my ideas on how to draw power from it.

I think there is no rectifier in this latest video?? I just want to be sure I understand what you did.

(This is so cool.)

Thank you

jeanna
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 20, 2008, 04:17:41 AM
Would you mind making a drawing of this circuit that is on your latest video?

I think there is no rectifier in this latest video?? I just want to be sure I understand what you did.

Thank you

jeanna
Hi jeanna,

here is the circuit ;) you chose the transformer step up you like, you don't need a toroid!.. It works well with a 12v wall plug power supply, just crack it open and take out the rectifier (electronics) and use the 12v side as your input and the 120v side as output for the bulb or what ever you want as load.

No rectifier. It does not get any simpler than this.

Basically what this shows is that one magnet and a small transformer can do what an inverter does

Have fun.

Luc

Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on June 20, 2008, 03:13:37 PM
Hi Luc, well done,
now try a 2nd Neo magnet oscillator inside secondary circuit, where the bulb is.
When you get both to oscillate you even have much lower power input from the
12 Volts source.

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 20, 2008, 05:40:01 PM
Hi Luc, well done,
now try a 2nd Neo magnet oscillator inside secondary circuit, where the bulb is.
When you get both to oscillate you even have much lower power input from the
12 Volts source.

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.

Thanks for looking and posting Stefan. I order to re-pulse the voltage on the secondary side (where bulb is) I would need to rectify it back to DC since AC will not pulse on the neo magnet and then put it through a 2nd transformer to raise the voltage once again.

Is that what you are thinking?

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 20, 2008, 08:14:11 PM
Luc,

It is simple and functional!

I was thinking about a 5 Hz oscillator using a voltage high enough to jump an opened arc.
The opened arc is set up to latch, in series with a closed one set up to jump opened like you are doing here.

Now the initial closing arc jumps the opened gap and as this is pulled towards and sticks to the magnet it starts higher current in the second one that now jumps opened. As this one opens the other now drops as current is broken.

You have now seperated the closing arc from the opening arc, and generate a square wave with two rather sharp transitions, hopfully.

Now you can play with parameters to try and get the arc that opens to become negative energy, by studying the spark visually.

Dave L
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on June 20, 2008, 08:23:28 PM
Thanks for looking and posting Stefan. I order to re-pulse the voltage on the secondary side (where bulb is) I would need to rectify it back to DC since AC will not pulse on the neo magnet and then put it through a 2nd transformer to raise the voltage once again.

Is that what you are thinking?

Luc

No, just chop the AC up on the secondary site via such a neomagnet-mechanical
switch or better graphite versus magnet switch..
as you did with the DC on the primary side.

This will reduce the Lenz law and still reduce the used power
on the primary side.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 20, 2008, 10:39:47 PM
Since it is AC, it will suck onto the magnet during half the cycle and push away from the magnet on the the other half of the cycle.

Dave L
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 21, 2008, 12:20:53 AM
Since it is AC, it will suck onto the magnet during half the cycle and push away from the magnet on the the other half of the cycle.

Dave L
Exactly :D... I tried it a while back and no self pulsing.

I have a new improvement and I will do a video and post maybe tomorrow or the next day. For those who are testing this effect you can get a much better results by using a carbon graphite rod (from zinc battery) instead of the copper wire, it will not burn and the plasma is way down.

What you need to change though is the magnet needs to be on the coil so it is free to vibrate with the feed back or inter play of the EMF and your coil needs to be of high dc resistance (90 ohms or more) also an air core. I cut open a microwave transformer and pulled out the secondary and that is what I'm using. You connect the negative directly to one side of the coil and the positive to your alligator clip to the carbon rod and pulse the neo which is connected to the other side of the coil. Connect your bulb to both sides of the same coil. You will have to play around with it until you find the right position and correct side for the carbon to pulse the magnet. Once you have it right there should only be a very small blue spark. I'm quite sure now this is a 100% efficient step up transformer.

I attached also a scope shot.

Stay tuned for more.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: poynt99 on June 21, 2008, 06:37:23 AM
great!

excellent work and findings Luc ;)

thank you.

very interesting effect.

i think what you are seeing with the wire attracting to the magnet is Lorentz force

do you think you might be able to rig it up in a fixture so it runs by itself without you holding the wire/carbon rod?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 22, 2008, 01:23:39 PM
Just did an experiment.

I am using the +12 volts of a PC power supply to fire off an automotive HV coil. Approx 15 Kv I would guess......

Dave L



These experiments are all very interesting, and they remind me of Tesla and Coler.
That the effect seems weakened by having the arc go from copper to copper even in the presence of a magnetic field is very encouraging that something very interesting is going on here besides just swifter extinguishing of an arc.

Indeed it seems that this is the same effect that is being chased as a nuclear effect with carbon and thorium rods (VSG), of course that never made sense anyway.

This all seems rather predictable from the aetheric point of view.

The following principles should be considered.

Electric current and or electric fields parallel to magnetic fields. (not at right angles as is 'normal')
Use of carbon or bismuth or other diamagnetic materials for one electrode and magnets for the other. (or steel and add an external magnet)
Shorted and 90 degree coil forms such as the caduceus coil may enhance the effect. (the classic parallel non inductive caduceus is shorted)

If we assume that this effect and the rather similar VSG effects (including Bill Alek's carbon-thorium results without a magnetic field) are related as well as other similar spark gap effects then it isn't really about magnets alone, it is about the aether effecting the results.

Dave, a video or a few diagrams to clarify some of the above would be appreciated.
It is rather tempting and possibly even easy to do a semi replication of Han's Coler's type setup with current flowing through magnets but not necessarily being struck on them, after all with the evidence present in Hydrogen Tap's video it seems that the magnet and the arc need not be in the same location provided current passes through the magnet.

Right now I am too busy with the Thane's discovery but this is very interesting!

I do plan on doing experiments here and you sure couldn't get lower requirements!



Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: libra_spirit on June 22, 2008, 09:15:02 PM
Aether22,

My set up is exactly like Luc's diagram only I replaced the transformer with an automotive coil and this is a three wire circuit. So if you run a wire between the input winding and output winding for a shared common ground you have it.

Using a large paper clip out of the top of the coil I can now experiment with HV arcs also. The magnet on the input side alters them radically extending the reach and strength of the HV arc.

Dave L



Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 22, 2008, 09:37:50 PM
excellent work and findings Luc ;)

do you think you might be able to rig it up in a fixture so it runs by itself without you holding the wire/carbon rod?

Hi poynt99 and thanks for looking.

Yes I do think I'll come up with some kind of contraption ;) ,...also I found that the coper wire works very well on this setup also. Seems like a high resistance air core cuts down the plasma that burns the magnet and wire.

Stay tuned for updates.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 22, 2008, 09:50:49 PM
Aether22,

My set up is exactly like Luc's diagram only I replaced the transformer with an automotive coil and this is a three wire circuit. So if you run a wire between the input winding and output winding for a shared common ground you have it.

Using a large paper clip out of the top of the coil I can now experiment with HV arcs also. The magnet on the input side alters them radically extending the reach and strength of the HV arc.

Dave L
Excellent work Dave ;D, this is exactly what I'm hoping everyone will do. Test it and put in your version, ideals and then share your results. The more do this the sooner we can find a great use for this effect. Who knows this could be part of what we are all looking for.

Please test and share.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 23, 2008, 12:16:24 AM
Hi all,

here is a video I made of the ideal Dave (user: libra-spirit) had of pulsing an ignition coil (instead of a transformer) by using the neo magnet circuit I posted. Also note that in the video I am using only 12 volts DC from a battery.

Enjoy and play safe if you try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3OkDvmp_Y

Thanks for sharing Dave.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: poynt99 on June 23, 2008, 02:33:12 AM
nice demo Luc

when you tried shorting directly to the alligator lead (bypassing the magnet), there was no spark produced?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: nightlife on June 23, 2008, 02:51:58 AM
 Hi gotoluc, I watched your last video and I was wondering if that concept would be a good way for splitting hydrogen from water? I think it would make for a good experiment.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Koen1 on June 23, 2008, 12:37:55 PM
@Luc: Nice video! :D
Thanks for posting that.
Now where's all the top notch scientists lining up to show us why that can't happen according to electromagnetic theory?
;) ... all busy ordering neo magnets I bet! ;D

@nightlife: yes, I thought of that too. Perhaps not on the same hunch though... ;)
I can't find the info now, but some years back I read the research papers of an inventor,
I believe it was a German physicist or one with a germanic name, who had worked on
electrolysis and had found that he could use iron permanent magnets instead of electrodes;
according to his experiment reports, he simply inserted the opposite poles of an iron
bar magnet into the water and gas bubbles would form and bubble up.
Now of course that is really funky and I have not been able to replicate his claims using my
own ferrite and neo magnets, but the idea of using Lucs neo-assisted-stimulated-spark
in an electrolysis unit is very interesting.... Just imagine we could just drastically boost
gas production by merely adding some neos... :D
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: nightlife on June 23, 2008, 05:57:54 PM
Another thing I think may make for a good test is to wrap the leads with wire that create the spark and see if a collapsing field can be collected between pulses. I am curious about what the voltage and amperage would be from the collapsing field.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: lancaIV on June 23, 2008, 11:47:49 PM
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4747925&F=0

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Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 24, 2008, 04:29:32 AM
nice demo Luc

when you tried shorting directly to the alligator lead (bypassing the magnet), there was no spark produced?

Hi poynt99, thanks for looking :D,

to answer your question, no it is not possible to use strait 12vdc on an automobile coil and switch it on & off and get a 3/8 of an inch spark, especially one with such force.

However you should not conclude that this is overunity either. It uses power to do this but what is cool is no electronic components are needed to achieve this.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 24, 2008, 05:18:47 AM
Hi gotoluc, I watched your last video and I was wondering if that concept would be a good way for splitting hydrogen from water? I think it would make for a good experiment.
Hi nightlife, thanks for looking ;D

I do have my HHO cell handy and I do try it every time I have a different coil setup but to date I have not found anything special :-[ ...keep in mind that I'm not interested in brute force HHO, so my cell only has distilled water in it.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Kator01 on June 25, 2008, 01:57:37 AM
Hello Koen1,

here ist the google-link of Prof. Ehrenhafts Life. He was a scientist living in Vienna ( Austria ) starting his work before World War II. He had to emigrate to USA during the war and returned to Austria. His work on magents causing water to dissociate is different to your intention. The link I add here is page 99 of the book ( unfortunately written in german language ) where you see this setup which is still a little unclear to me, but on thing is important : The magnet dissolved in the region of water-contact, it was used up. Very remakable experiment.

http://books.google.com/books?id=W8GVSqSvSTYC&pg=PA103&hl=de&sig=6cLHW0hC6eu7LxhthDcYGzct54w#PPA99,M2

Kator01
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Koen1 on June 25, 2008, 12:53:50 PM
Yes, that's the guy! :D

Thanks for that link Kator01! :)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 26, 2008, 03:25:36 AM
Hmmm, tried the experiment, the original one but couldn't see any effect.

I found that the voltage raised depending on how much current was passing through the transformer primary.
If I did it very fast not much current got to flow (due to the mere 12v potential against the coils impedance, mostly inductive as the resistance was very low) and so there was less of a magnetic field to collapse.

If I did it slower up to 7A would flow and would result in a bigger spark and larger voltage increase in the cap.

It didn't seem effected much by adding the neo other than possibly diminished.

I can try other transformers and spark gaps but this duration issue needs to be answered, if the contact is longer with the magnet (possibly by the magnetic field holding the wire to it longer) then more current will be flowing which means a greater magnetic field which means more energy will be discharged into the cap as the field collapses.

I sure hope that this isn't the case as I am hoping for an aetheric cause to the effect but currently it seems very likely.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 26, 2008, 05:36:04 AM
I tried the autoignition coil test, the result is that it is far far easier getting an arc (or at greater gaps only possible) with the magnet.

But sadly it seemed mostly boringly conventional, Dave mentioned that the conduction seemingly had to be through the magnet to get the effect, but I found I can get arc's with the wire not in the circuit but merely near two wires being momentarily contacted, it looks very much like it is just a case of the magnet blowing the arc out which leads to a swifter collapse and hence a greater emf.

The autoignition coil must have had a lower inductance because the length of time the coil was shorted for seemed unimportant.

I can make a video of all of this if anyone wants to see it.

Incidentally I can see the same criticism being leveled at most/all the results JLN found with the Vallee stuff if it includes spark gaps. (note: not all of his stuff did though)

Now Stefan's negative current sounds interesting, but I can't see me really investigating Newman much.
Clearly spark gaps can do very interesting things but based on what I have found so far this isn't. (maybe Dave and Luc have found some thing not explained by these issues, incidentally I can't get Luc's bouncing wire effect, it just welds it's self to the magnet on contact)

BTW Luc did you find that it made any difference if the magnet was on the negative or positive side of the circuit? I had the magnet on the negative side as your diagram shows.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 26, 2008, 08:51:59 AM
incidentally I can't get Luc's bouncing wire effect, it just welds it's self to the magnet on contact)

BTW Luc did you find that it made any difference if the magnet was on the negative or positive side of the circuit? I had the magnet on the negative side as your diagram shows.

Hi aether22,  if you never got the wire to self pulse on the magnet then you have not seen anyting because this whole effect is based on that. You need to pulse the positive side of the DC and if the wire sticks to the magnet then flip the magnet around or pulse the other side. Also, don't pulse the top or bottom of the magnet pulse in the center between the two poles.

Try that and let me know.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 26, 2008, 09:09:55 AM
Hi aether22,  if you never got the wire to self pulse on the magnet then you have not seen anyting because this whole effect is based on that. You need to pulse the positive side of the DC and if the wire sticks to the magnet then flip the magnet around or pulse the other side. Also, don't pulse the top or bottom of the magnet pulse in the center between the two poles.

Try that and let me know.

Luc

Just to clarify I should wire it up as in the diagram, the - is connected to the transformer and magnet, and the + is connected to the bouncing wire?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 26, 2008, 09:38:04 AM
I managed to get oscillation though it had a tendency to stick to the magnet so I couldn't put much pressure.
it vibrated on the magnet with an audible tone, the frequency seemed too high to get much from the ignition coil (too short a time of current on), I get excellent results by holding two wires above a neo and waving one back and fourth.(large arcs)

I would note that in the first and second videos you aren't doing this auto-pulsation thing either.

I am disappointed because based on Dave's comments about it not working when current didn't pass through the magnet I was very hopeful.

Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Koen1 on June 26, 2008, 01:30:26 PM
Dave mentioned that the conduction seemingly had to be through the magnet to get the effect, but I found I can get arc's with the wire not in the circuit but merely near two wires being momentarily contacted, it looks very much like it is just a case of the magnet blowing the arc out which leads to a swifter collapse and hence a greater emf.

I'm sorry but I do not find that description very clear.
Are you saying you got larger sparks without connecting the magnet to either of the electrodes,
or are you saying you managed to get sparks from a wire that was not connected to the
electrical circuit?
The first I can understand as a variation on Lucs experiment, but it sounds like you're actually
saying the last, although it is unclear to me which wire was not connected to what in the circuit...
The circuit at the neo contact point has 2 wires, right? So what's this third wire you're talkign about?

I probably just misunderstood you ;) but it's always better to ask then to start yapping about
things that were unclear to you. :)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 26, 2008, 01:41:39 PM
I'm sorry but I do not find that description very clear.
Are you saying you got larger sparks without connecting the magnet to either of the electrodes,
Yes, the largest sparks were when the wire from the transformer and the wire from the + of the battery were both held above a magnet pole (neither touching) and moved rapidly side to side, large sparks were then very easily generated. (basically the same as Teslas patent)
The same motion away from the magnet made large spikes difficult/rare/impossible.

That was all I meant.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 26, 2008, 01:44:47 PM
I can get arc's with the wire magnet not in the circuit but merely near two wires being momentarily contacted

I said wire where I meant magnet.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Koen1 on June 26, 2008, 03:09:31 PM
Ah, ok, thanks for explaining. :D
Now I get it. :)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 26, 2008, 09:13:36 PM
@ aether22,
Koen1 may understand what you are doing, but I don't. Is this what you are doing? If so it is impressive that you can get a spark using such a simple generator. But youmust drain the batter real quick. Is the wire being moved parallel with the face of the magnetic pole or is it being moved towards and away from the face of the magnet pole?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 27, 2008, 12:53:14 AM
That would be impressive, but no.

To make that drawing about right cut the wire that comes from the + battery terminal where it passes over the magnet, and make and break that connection quickly above the magnet pole.

The making and breaking pulses are not sharp enough if it's not over the magnet pole, but with placement over the magnet the magnet bends the arc blowing it out quickly. (it is the breaking that forms the spark naturally)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 27, 2008, 02:36:11 AM
@ aether22,
How about this?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: hydrocontrol on June 27, 2008, 03:11:40 AM
That would be impressive, but no.

To make that drawing about right cut the wire that comes from the + battery terminal where it passes over the magnet, and make and break that connection quickly above the magnet pole.

The making and breaking pulses are not sharp enough if it's not over the magnet pole, but with placement over the magnet the magnet bends the arc blowing it out quickly. (it is the breaking that forms the spark naturally)

So what it appears to be now is a standard magneto which is used in a lot of small cheap engines to generate a spark.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question375.htm
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: aether22 on June 27, 2008, 03:17:40 AM
@ aether22,
How about this?
Yes. (although there is no need for the the wire from the bat. neg. to the transformer to pass over the magnet)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 27, 2008, 07:44:04 AM
@ aether22,
How about this?

Hi xee, very good drawing ;). Can you just do one correction and post the new one. Most people are not reading the details in my posts, so a good drawing would be great to have.

The copper wire strand to be pulsed on the magnet needs to be between the North and the South. The alligator clip to the coil can be on the North or the South pole and will magnetically hold since the are made of metal. The Negative wire lead will go directly to the coil, otherwise your drawing is perfect.

Your help is very appreciated. I have a new discovery and would like for you to look at it and see if you can help.

Please check this New Topic: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.0/topicseen.html

Everyone is welcome.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Koen1 on June 27, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
Interesting road you have turned into there Luc :)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 27, 2008, 04:48:05 PM
@ gotoluc,
Glad to do drawing for you. But, I am not clear on just what you want. What one correction should I make?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 27, 2008, 05:47:48 PM
@ gotoluc,
Is this what you want?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 27, 2008, 06:58:03 PM
@ gotoluc,
Is this what you want?
Hi xee, this is very good, a few small changes. One is use the word Pulse and not spark, we also deed to say that if the wire sticks to the magnet then we need to flip the magnet around. Last thing is, you have one lead in the transformer going from the primary to the secondary coil, that should not be there.

Other than that I am very happy and thankfull of your help.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 27, 2008, 08:34:01 PM
@ gotoluc,
OK. How about this?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: xee on June 27, 2008, 08:49:41 PM
@ gotoluc,
While I was doing drawings, I also made this one. Hydrogen Tap found that if he ran enough current through the neo magnets they would no longer be conductive but would intermittently generate large sparks when connected to a 12 volt battery. If you can get your magnets to become nonconductive then you should be able to build the following circuit and would get sparks without any mechanical moving of the wire. You may have to reverse the battery polarity.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 27, 2008, 09:06:18 PM
@ gotoluc,
OK. How about this?
Perfect ;)

Thanks

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 27, 2008, 09:19:57 PM
@ gotoluc,
While I was doing drawings, I also made this one. Hydrogen Tap found that if he ran enough current through the neo magnets they would no longer be conductive but would intermittently generate large sparks when connected to a 12 volt battery. If you can get your magnets to become nonconductive then you should be able to build the following circuit and would get sparks without any mechanical moving of the wire. You may have to reverse the battery polarity.

Well :-\... I don't know about this one but if you want to test it or anyone else please post your finding.

I must correct you about what you are saying here (mechanical moving of the wire is needed) because the effect I am showing involves no mechanical moving of a wire, when you do it right it self oscillates and if you change the length of the pulse wire it changes the frequency of the pulse and if you change the pressure on the wire you change the pulse width. So as you can see many things are going on here. A magnet and a single strand of copper wire can do what a 555 chip and a transistor does, let alone the other componets like pots and resistors and what have you to complete the circuit.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: broli on July 26, 2008, 12:10:22 PM
This topic died? I was just playing around with a super crude setup (using fingers to hold wires on battery  :P) and was amazed of the big sparks that were caused on this old rusted speaker magnet. I scraped the wire along the surface of the magnet. I used 2x1.5V batteries and also put my hands on the spark but I felt nothing not even the slightest tingle (probably too weak batteries).

This is a fun experiment nonetheless.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on July 26, 2008, 06:18:41 PM
This topic died? I was just playing around with a super crude setup (using fingers to hold wires on battery  :P) and was amazed of the big sparks that were caused on this old rusted speaker magnet. I scraped the wire along the surface of the magnet. I used 2x1.5V batteries and also put my hands on the spark but I felt nothing not even the slightest tingle (probably too weak batteries).

This is a fun experiment nonetheless.

HI broli, thanks for looking at this topic. It is not a dead topic. It's just we have not found a way to get more energy out than in yet, so people loose interest.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: fk462 on September 04, 2008, 01:20:21 AM
try lowering the voltage and current to tune it to the transformer and see what happens
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: Thedane on September 14, 2008, 07:32:37 PM
Just saw this interesting topic.

If my theory is correct the following explains what happens:

Magnetism is the Atoms ability to send out matter/antimatter streams who orients nearby Atoms North/South particles magnetic fields.
Magnetism from a permanent magnet is similar to DC voltage, however the difference is that there is no pressure difference of matter/antimatter fields in space so no current can flow.
Moving a magnet over a conductor will cause a "tidalwave" of locally uniform oriented matter/antimatter streams in the conductor, and hence a difference of pressure throughout the conductor = a current flows.

In essense the Neo magnet works as a dead DC battery and by pulsing the wire the matter/antimatter streams around the magnet the driving voltage to the coil is increased.

I've started a topic here about my theory:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5549.0.html

Have a great day  ;D
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on August 15, 2009, 10:23:37 PM
@ gotoluc,
While I was doing drawings, I also made this one. Hydrogen Tap found that if he ran enough current through the neo magnets they would no longer be conductive but would intermittently generate large sparks when connected to a 12 volt battery. If you can get your magnets to become nonconductive then you should be able to build the following circuit and would get sparks without any mechanical moving of the wire. You may have to reverse the battery polarity.

oho...
vau...
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: e2matrix on May 05, 2010, 05:30:36 AM
Saw this thread in a reference from the TPU thread (what we know so far).  I was thinking about what would happen with this concept if you sort of combined the Imhotep device that uses a relay, diode and neon bulb to charge a battery (which puts out high voltage pulses to the battery) but if instead you were able to put magnets where the relay contacts are so they would oscillate between the 2 output points and go into a cap.  Not sure if that's clear but imagine a relay with the center contact using small neo's that bounce between the other 2 contacts rapidly. 
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: tarakan on June 15, 2013, 03:31:54 AM
May I see a photograph of the Neodym magnet oscillator so I can try to replicate it, please.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: tarakan on June 23, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
May I please have some more information about the construction of this device?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: gotoluc on June 24, 2013, 05:14:46 AM
May I see a photograph of the Neodym magnet oscillator so I can try to replicate it, please.

Hello tarakan

this topic has 8 pages of information. You can click on each page to read.

This link will give you the best drawing of a test circuit: http://www.overunity.com/4124/electricity-amplification-by-neo-magnet/msg108477/#msg108477 (http://www.overunity.com/4124/electricity-amplification-by-neo-magnet/msg108477/#msg108477)

The mechanics of this effect is, as soon as a thin single strand of copper wire touches the neo magnet the electromagnetic field that is created around the wire repels the wire away from the neo magnet (if polarity is correct). So it breaks the contact for a short moment but then returns since the wire springs back and keeps doing the same thing. So it's basically a mechanical oscillation switch. The frequency can be changed if the wire is shorter and or more pressure is applied to the thin copper wire.
The Nickel coating on the neo makes a good conductor but if too much current goes through the wire it will burn the wire and or the Nickel coating on the magnet and you will loose conductivity.

The effect is no more then that.

Luc
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: tarakan on June 24, 2013, 07:05:49 AM

THANK YOU
I read the forum but I was not sure about the conclusion of the "test".


A copper wire mechanically makes and breaks the circuit.
If this is the case, I am not really interested in this setup.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2019, 11:33:07 PM
The Hans Coler thread on Energetic Forum has revealed the Neo magnet as a super conductor. These 1/16 Neo cylinders connected serially would deliver power as negative Ohms in direct proportion to the distance from beginning to end:
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2019, 08:53:42 AM
                                             Negative Ohms
For any given magnet strength material;

The negative resistance is directly proportional to the distance between the electrodes.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
Here is the streamlined converter. This long magnet conductor can shuttle an amplified back spike.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 16, 2019, 04:28:30 PM
Here's a very simple flyback generator that improves Hans Coler's loose connection approach by enclosing the spark in a vacuum tube and permitting frequency control:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U5lXqkoMzE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U5lXqkoMzE)


The current is polarized and accelerates toward the attracting pole inside the field of the magnet conductor. The output is a function of the acceleration time and distance of the current inside the nested power field of the magnet conductor. The current will increase velocity toward infinite voltage with sufficient distance.

There appears to be a "Radiant attribute" of the flyback current that interfaces with the magnet field that does not accompany ordinary current.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: norman6538 on September 16, 2019, 06:57:26 PM
Gotoluc, I recently was working on permanent mag power by stacking and unstacking to get additional power and realized that Kunnel and Figuera were probably do that very same thing.
Kunnel powered his entire house but was not connected to the grid. And when asked did it work he said "yes but not as drawn".
I'm finishing up my permanent mag power by stacking and unstacking and if inadequate will turn to coils and permanent mags because you can control them better.

I used the Lafonte attract/repel balancing but found that magnetic spin made the attraction
stronger than the repel. I have compensated for that by distance but have not measured the results yet.
Norman
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 16, 2019, 08:54:23 PM
Gotoluc, I recently was working on permanent mag power by stacking and unstacking to get additional power and realized that Kunnel and Figuera were probably do that very same thing.
Kunnel powered his entire house but was not connected to the grid. And when asked did it work he said "yes but not as drawn".
I'm finishing up my permanent mag power by stacking and unstacking and if inadequate will turn to coils and permanent mags because you can control them better.

I used the Lafonte attract/repel balancing but found that magnetic spin made the attraction
stronger than the repel. I have compensated for that by distance but have not measured the results yet.
Norman



linear track

Each 1" axial magnet can be compared to a segment in a linear magnet track. The magnets are accelerating an electrical charge rather then an object. The description of "Thin (silver) magnet rods" connected to Hans Coler's generator is accompanied by a schematics of what appears to be an interlocking maze of magnet rods packed inside a box. Perhaps hundreds of axial magnets can be arranged in series and packaged neatly this way.

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Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2019, 02:58:04 PM

                                                    Cook battery

Wrapping the coil around the magnet cylinders would copy Daniel Mcfarland Cook's patent.

I believe the cook battery may have used the magnet core as a hi voltage secondary for the interrupted backspike.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2019, 03:50:03 PM

                                                                       Gadgetmall

Gadgetmall went over unity with a piggyback output coil that collected the BEMF from a primary pulse coil that shared the same ferrite core.

The magnetized core amplified the backspike.

A neutralization pulse on a GAP motor coil would recover amplified backspike if the magnet was extended and wrapped with a piggyback backspike recovery coil like Gadgetmall, that worked wirelessly through induction.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 24, 2019, 04:18:25 PM
The Karl Schappeller Device "Stators" are grid patterned magnet conductors. The spark gap must be tungsten coated. Two large magnet core coils amplifying the kickback first one way then the other. Nearly Identical to Hans Color's design.


The Danial McFarland Cook battery is nearly the same: You can see the four coil wires attached to the protruding core electrodes with wing screws:The power of Cook's battery is directly proportiona to the length of the magnetic conductor core between the electrodes.

The schematic does not show the interruptor. Each coil recycles accelerated kickback through the other's magnet core. Cook suggests cores of four feet or more in length.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 25, 2019, 05:17:02 PM
core length and negative resistance.

quote;

"It strikes me that a Fe core that is between 2ft and 6 ft long will have significant magnetic delay which brings me to the subject of delay lines that have reactive characteristic impedance. These can exhibit negative resistance, so maybe the device used this characteristic and once started did truly self-oscillate. That gives a new perspective to the thing. Is it possible that the core length plays a vital role"?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 29, 2019, 01:44:28 AM

what effect would 4 batteries have?

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Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: norman6538 on September 29, 2019, 01:48:49 AM
Under no circumstances will I click on "raw". Please explain more.
I run Linux and I can fire up a fresh copy that will only last for that session and then
any damage is gone completely. But I won't waste the time or computer resources.

Norman
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 29, 2019, 02:05:29 AM

This is basically a "Cook Battery". The AA batteries are magnetized through the core. A butter knife would attach firmly to the positive electrode of the AA battery. The BEMF is accelerated by the length of this field.


The gain is directly proportional to the length between these electrodes.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 29, 2019, 01:10:26 PM

Inductance is used to measure coils values, however, Inductance is also a measure of permeability in materials.


AA batteries cover a range of permeability. Inductance measured in Henries is directly proportional to the power of the battery to store magnetic strength. The Nicad rechargeable serves as an above average magnet core.


Disc neo's connect the batteries one to the other, and larger magnets would attach to the ends. The coils can only go in one direction; A thick wire like Cook's connected to thinner magnet wire for hi voltage backspike.


The tail of the thin wire secondary jumps the spark connected to the thick wire primary. Wrapping the thin wire secondary counter directionally back up the battery core, over a sleeve, would mimic cook's design. The current reverses and accelerates toward the opposite pole. This is the gain phase and it's directly proportional to the distance. More batteries more gain!
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 30, 2019, 12:26:04 AM
wire gauge



8 AA's would measure 16 inches long and add up to 6 volts:;

Quote:

"I've never seen any wires lighter than 14 gauge wire used in a 6 volt system".

The Tesla harmonic would be a 28 gauge Magnet wire secondary.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 30, 2019, 12:42:08 PM
Inductance and permeability are directly proportional. Measuring the inductance of a coil with a ferrite core is a value of the core's permittivity. 


Removing the core and remeasuring the coil's inductance, then subtracting the difference, will give us the core inductance and proportional permittivity.


We can measure the core inductance directly by placing the DMM electrodes against two ends of the core material and calculate the permittivity. Try it on a AA battery.


8 highly magnetic "Energex Recharchable" AA batteries, in magnet lock series, would be around a 16"  in length and deliver 12 volts. That would bring our wire gauges down to 16 and 32. Two units would connect as a resonator with both sparking secondaries feeding their twin's primaries! 
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 30, 2019, 02:27:20 PM
Gotoluc demonstrates the amplification of backspike sparking directly through the Neo magnet material. This would kill the magnet if he kept it up.


The next step would be to wrap a coil around the Neo magnet and see if the backspike power were amplified by the field of the Neo magnet alone through the wire.


I demonstrate in video how attaching magnets to an electro magnet amplifys the power of the backspike when the wires are shorted. Interrupting the current through a reverse biased LED, the flash is noticeably brighter with the magnets stuck to the backside of the EM!
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 30, 2019, 03:12:59 PM
                                                                    OU Theory.

Suppose we take 2 electromagnets and measure the force an electrical pulse produces on one; Then we attach magnets to one electromagnet and send a backspike from it into the second electromagnet:

Would the force from the second electromagnet exceed the force of the initial pulse?


Here's a magnetic flyback flutter;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTd2TSb_bJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTd2TSb_bJ4)

Flyback 3x's force? The narrator discounts the presence of the magnet in the core of the coil he's pulsing in amplifying the backspike to begin with!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STI3koWbzE4&t=12s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STI3koWbzE4&t=12s)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on September 30, 2019, 04:57:44 PM

aa battery core joule thief; notice that slider has magnets attached to both battery poles; he wrapped galvanized steel around it because it's alkaline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WFBi16MuqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WFBi16MuqY)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 01, 2019, 12:28:39 PM

AA Joule ringer. Twin units feeding each other's primaries with their secondary outputs would be the equivalent of Cook's battery!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHCh0N5UQU
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 01, 2019, 08:03:05 PM
very low watt joule thief by laskro with a fat primary attached to the collector and a thin wire larger secondary coil connected to the base; he got 2 and 3 labeled backwards on his schematic;

STN851-A

Low voltage fast-switching NPN power transistor

AEC Q101 compliant Very low collector to emitter saturation voltage]High current gain characteristicFast-switching speed
The device is manufactured in planar technology with "Base Island" layout.
The resulting transistor shows exceptional high gain performance coupled with very low saturation voltage.
Figure 1.
Internal schematic diagram
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 03, 2019, 12:27:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpf4bMvoulQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpf4bMvoulQ)


                                            Longevity is directly proportional to inductance:



"I used 4 identical cores and circuits with the only variable being the number of turns (and hence inductance) to determine how to make the most efficient Joule Thief.  The cores had respectively 20 turns CT, 40 turns CT, 60 turns CT, and 92 turns CT.  I also included a core made from a flyback transformer which had 120 turns CT.  Each circuit was powered from a new fully charged rechargeable battery. The circuits with the least number of turns died first (~2 days) and the flyback circuit is still running strong after 9.5 days.  So it appears that more turns (and larger inductance) produces a longer life".

Permitvity is directly proportional to inductance.

AA battery core "Permittivity" acts to amplify power in proportion to how inductance extends run time!
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 03, 2019, 04:13:51 AM

10 to 20 loop primary and 100 to 200 secondary. The pot core is high in inductance. This is the simple approach Cook used to interrupt his current:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO55v3fqiO4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO55v3fqiO4)



When high permittivity is saturated by permanent magnets, a negative inductance results in the core!
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 04, 2019, 12:59:14 AM

Here's a video of the principle at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRnN7DeYHvU
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 04, 2019, 01:42:54 PM
Naoki video:


Three points; (Not apparent in the video)


1.-Permanent magnets have zero effect on ordinary current flowing through a wire.


2.-The amplified flyback current is not traveling directly through the Neo magnet in the Naoki video.


3.-The amplification lowers input.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 04, 2019, 02:11:09 PM
                                                          Transformer oscillator.

Simply placing a properly positioned Neo magnet on the secondary lamination of an ordinary 12 to 120 volt transformer, then sparking flyback through it from the primary has the potential to amplify the power over unity!
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 04, 2019, 03:57:48 PM
Positioning a neo magnet in just the right adjacency to the secondary of this 120 to 9V transformer with the SJR3 circuit, will amplify the current the same way as Naoki shows in his video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGPDwnYxWps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGPDwnYxWps)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 04, 2019, 05:00:38 PM

                                                      Self runner

I believe it is possible to amplify the fly back in a turned around 9v primary by magnet, then feed it into a second transformer and loop the 120 volt output like Gotoluc succeeds at with his self running coil! We turn one transformer around and connect the SJR3 circuit. Then we feed the magnified but reduced flyback voltage output from the first transformer into the 9v primary of the second and wire the 120 volt output back into the first through a diode and capacitor.


Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 04, 2019, 10:45:45 PM

                                                               Transformer magnet

Here's a question before I upload this "High Water Mark" video. Will simply attaching a strong Neo magnet to a 120 to 9-12 VAC transformer stator amplify flyback spark from the primary to the secondary?

Does anyone really have any doubt how this test will turn out to work? I can't find any videos that show this effect. What's your guess?


Would anyone else be willing to help confirm this effect by testing along with me?
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 05, 2019, 02:07:07 AM

                                                           RLC resonating circuit


Look how the transformers are connected and the effect the capacitors have on the voltage boost and ring time:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpso7zAlvU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpso7zAlvU)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: lancaIV on October 05, 2019, 01:48:02 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Adolf+zielinski&IN=&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Adolf+zielinski&IN=&CPC=&IC=)
Where to find : Energy ( to Electricity) Amplification By ( NEO-/SAM-/ALNiCo-)  Magnet.  ?

With Neos installed ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19660419&CC=US&NR=3247407A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19660419&CC=US&NR=3247407A&KC=A#)
The alternator disc magnets arrangement : eddy currents positive/ negative. ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820302&CC=US&NR=4318019A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820302&CC=US&NR=4318019A&KC=A#)

In search for a stronger magnetic field force or higher magnetic flux. ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130314&CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130314&CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1#)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 05, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
@LancaIV,


Thank you for the links. Very interesting and highly relevant.


                                                                      Resonator


A 120V DC capacitor could be charged in parallel from a wall rectifier. A 120 volt power transistor wired into a SJR3 circuit and the resonating capacitors between the two transformers would send at least 150 volts AC back to the storage capacitor for rectification during the 22 second ring cycle! The power amplification would come from the magnet attached to the primary flyback pulse transformer.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 06, 2019, 12:35:40 AM

Classic vintage ten year old video anchoring the effect with concrete measurements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2PHCqEY55k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2PHCqEY55k)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 06, 2019, 12:54:37 AM

Further conclusive proof:


Here again is further certain proof of the effect: Lablanc states at 2:54 that the "Output is greater then the input" after fixing the magnet! Quick math says 5x OU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni_PdZf5KB4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni_PdZf5KB4)


Sebasfato says the correct magnet polarity helps the collapse!
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 06, 2019, 08:53:41 AM

                                                                           Gain

Any D.C. pulsed transformer with a sufficiently powerful magnet attached, FACING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, will generate an overunity COP!

The correct permanent magnet field polarity helps the coil field collapse and amplifies the power of the backspike.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: lancaIV on October 06, 2019, 12:05:51 PM
http://freeenergy2000.tripod.com/harwood4.gif
With pulsed DC. ?
1 magnet force : 421gr.

2 magnets force : 1721gr.

1 em circuit force : 1091 gr.

2 magnets/em force : 3845 gr.

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Logic : when ...... , then ..........
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1 magnet/em force :  ?  gr.
pure or pulsed  DC
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 07, 2019, 04:42:51 PM
JLN gets a cop of 13.7 with a nanoperm core: The higher the core mu the greater the cop. An LCL resonator tank from twin 2Sgen style coils and capacitors would boost the volatge to compensate for Joule losses.

l = ((Vdem^2)/10000) / ((Vmag^2)/10000) = ((35.2^2)/10000) / ((9.5^2)/10000) = 13.7It is interesting to notice that N. Zaev has found a l = 16.3 with a Permalloy 81 NM core
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 12, 2019, 05:42:44 PM

This tester gets the effect, but puzzles around clulessly about why it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJFuKvrUEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJFuKvrUEs)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 13, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
This tester gets the effect, but puzzles around clulessly about why it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJFuKvrUEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQJFuKvrUEs)


The "Spookbluchular" TK has sabotaged this thread with a surreptitious privatization of his watermark magnet amplification video. This is the suppression of forbidden scince in action!

How can Tinselkoala privatize Magluvin's video? Where Mag's catagorgically demonstrates the "Impulse" power of the Tesla bifilar coil. The "Bifilar" takes a pulsed charge and rings because it has capacitance, where the single wire doesn't!

That's after 10 years of head banging with the "No dfference between the coils malarkey" from our "Deaf sign interpreter" and "Milehigh", who incidently has since reincarnated as an imposter.

The interpreter, who translated US President Barack Obama's speech, looked as if he was "trying to swat a few flies away from his face and his head".

Aldous Huxley stated on laughing gas that: (as paraphrased) "The only difference is between differences of difference"





Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 29, 2019, 01:58:36 PM

This bulb could be lit by the plasma spark inside this vacuum tube Reed switch:


Connecting "Innovationstation's" Neo stack to this interrupter would loop an OU gain and self run! (Depending on the Length of the stack)


The Neo stack acts as a negative resistor to reverse current.

watch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri_HbDCwf_E)
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 30, 2019, 10:57:58 AM
Attaching a flyback diode to the end of a stack of Neo magnets and sparking reverse current through them back to the positive of the power source will measure gain. This is the Nazi UFO secret.

Power has been curtailed to over half a million customers in Northern California while this kind of suppressed technology remains on the shelf.
Title: Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
Post by: synchro1 on October 30, 2019, 04:59:06 PM
Here's a comparison of a spark with ring magnets and one without at the same power setting: