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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 517423 times)

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #360 on: July 08, 2008, 10:02:12 AM »
Blasted Bubler... Not exploded, see the shape, its implosion... water at the bottom tries to escape due to -ve pressure, and bottom of the bottle is cracked..

Timing modification unit is installed on 2HP engine, taking trials today

whopper1967

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #361 on: July 08, 2008, 10:18:19 AM »
thanks nightlife.....

tishatang

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #362 on: July 08, 2008, 10:35:50 AM »
@nightlife
Are you thinking of the Joseph Papp engine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kQ9MdoKT7I

http://www.rexresearch.com/papp/1papp.htm

Tishatang

nightlife

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #363 on: July 08, 2008, 11:50:22 AM »
tishatang, no thats not the same one. I am tired now and I got to get a couple hours of sleep before I go back to the shop. I will look again later today. It's 5:47 am here.

 Sorry guys, just bear with me and I will find it. i should have saved it but I wasn't interested at the time becuase I was to wrapped up with a magnet motor design at the time I cam across it.

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #364 on: July 08, 2008, 12:56:38 PM »
Hi every one!
My first post on this forum! :o

So capacitor70 and every one else, if you had farnell as a electronic suplier, what wold be your diode of choice?

I'm looking at this one from International rectifier
10ETS12PbF
10 Amps
Vrrm 1200V
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/10ets12pbf.pdf

One must consider the volts from the Ignition coil to set the number of diodes to arrange right?
If your 6a4 are running too hot maybe you need a bigger amp diodes with heat dissipator.




weri812

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #365 on: July 09, 2008, 04:33:04 AM »
hello to all

S1r9a9m9 has released  a file on his transformer set up
can get a copy here http://www.4shared.com/file/54437779/9f61909b/s1r9a9m9_Transformer_Coil_Description.html

also on yahoo web sight   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WaterFuel1978/


thanks
wer

hydrocontrol

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #366 on: July 09, 2008, 04:51:08 AM »
hello to all

S1r9a9m9 has released  a file on his transformer set up
can get a copy here http://www.4shared.com/file/54437779/9f61909b/s1r9a9m9_Transformer_Coil_Description.html
also on yahoo web sight   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WaterFuel1978/
thanks
wer

Already posted here on overunity and already tried and discussed.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5112.0/topicseen.html

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #367 on: July 09, 2008, 06:18:57 AM »
How to trigger plasma without diodes ?
1. Coil Black Wire carries high current, red wire low current for bulb
2. Bulb helps to conduct transformer. Without Bulb How you can make transformer work ?
3. Why we are using diodes, diodes prevent HV from going to battery side, we need spark
   at the tip of the spark plug and at the same time DC voltage across the tip. This is achived here with coil.
4. When HV gives spike to the coil, on coil secondery battery is connected which comes
   in series with HV induced in its coil, so the votage at the tip of spark plug is
   Bat + HV, creates plasma channel. No need of inverter, once plasma channel is created and discharge starts you need to disconnect battery
   from draining it completely. Sr1 is taking about some waveforms....
5. Once the plasma channel is created Battery current flows through plasma channel and
   bulb turns off, and HV coil is also in off state. This battery voltage is having large current, current is important
   for plasma blast this way it works. Plasma have infinity conductivity (zero resistance).
6. It dosent matter how much voltage is why we need voltage is to just to cover voltage drop of our diodes.
   I have taken trials with 175V DC and 315V DC both have nearly same effect.

Hear is pic of coil wiring... Make sure coil polarity (direction of turns)

happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #368 on: July 09, 2008, 03:00:01 PM »
Capacitor70,

Are the second and third coil winding connected to the end of coil one??

Super God

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #369 on: July 10, 2008, 03:56:09 AM »
We might need a better core than a nail to do the job.  For now I'm going to stick with cap70's circuit, because I know that's what works.  By the way, my diodes finally came in today!  Woo!

pvar06

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #370 on: July 10, 2008, 09:41:49 AM »
Hi All,

I have seen the details of this discussion on watercar1978 forum and could not stop my self to read the entire thread. I have gone through the complete thread and watched the video posted in between.

So far i was doing research on booster and made couple of decent booster, which produce 1 lpm at 12 volt 10 Amps. But let me tell you that you people are doing something amazing. I also have a bike and would love to convert it to Water alone. Ofcourse this is a 2 stroke bike but i can arrange a 4 stroke engine.

I am prety weak in electronics but have desire to learn and understand. After reading the entire post I have following doubts:

1. At most of the places it have been mentioned 230 V input. From where the 230 volt will come on the bike? Are you guys planning to use the bike battery to make such voltage?

2. To my understanding the spark pulg has a voltage of around 20 kV. Will it be sufficient for water detonation?

3. Is there any successful attempt for running the engine on the water alone? Specially bike engine.

Even after reading this thread i was thinking to convert the bike on water alone. But was thinking only about the HHO. But after reading this post i am thinking on following lines;

1. Use some attachment like capacitor70 has designed to inject the Hydroxy to the engine. At this attachment we should have a solenoid valve which can be triggered through by passing the current through megnate of the bike. In this arrangement we should try to avoid the waste spark problem i.e. it should give the signal to solenoid valve to open only once in 2 revolution of crank shaft.

2. Convert the bike fuel tank to water tank and water must flow through carburator. This will be injected inside the engine. However the nozzle alteration can be done depending on the first bench test result.

3. Use the ignition coil of car engine. This will have pretty high voltage compared to the motor cycle ignition coil. But ofcourse it will be needing 12 volt hence for the same we can install 2 small 6 volt battery (one is already there) in series to get 12 volt. This additional battery will help in electrolysis process to without complete drain out.

4. Use the spark plug which are used in small engines which runs on Kerosene. Such spark plugs have very stong spark to burn the Kerosene. I have tested out this in 1993, when i have converted the bike to run on Kerosene. In this set up i have started the bike on gasoline and immidiately after starting was converting to run on Kerosene.

5. Timing of the engine should be adjusted byrotating the megnate as suggested by one member, who used to do the same on sports car. I think 5-10 After TDC will be good engough to get desired result.

6. Attemp can be made to seprate Hydrogen from electrolysis process and Daniel Dingel is doing for his water powered car. With this we can get better results with minimum quntity of Hydorgen.

Ofcourse this is not a new thinking because many members have thought on this in the same thread. I was thinking this to avoid any problems related to big circuits and heating problem of these circuits. To my mind at the start of the engine the Hydrogen / Hydroxy will give the boost to the spark of spark plug and helps the water to detonate quickly. But when the engine will be hot then there will not be much problem in water detonation.

So it will be combination of Hydroxy / Hydrogen and Plasma spark. I would love to know the feedback of the experienced group member on the above before making my hands dirty.

With best regards

Praveen
India



rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #371 on: July 10, 2008, 12:07:58 PM »
Hi all,

I have almost everything hooked up to replicate cap70 test, but I only have a 2 stroke small 25cc engine, but I only want to test for a very sort period, just to see if it fires up.

But first of all what should be goo results on bench?
For bench setup I will replace the pulse pikup coil, TIP122 and 1n4148 with a switch.
What is to expect when I pulverise water?

I'm thinking about using a plastic syringe, large enough to fit a  plug.
Any thought's?

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #372 on: July 10, 2008, 12:24:05 PM »
See this video, This spark plug go on engine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBkqNc0GrQ
Spark plug size is 1 inch diameter, to see the flame take spark plug in sunlight (outside the room) or use video camera...

For test I am using switch, make sure direction of HV +ve must...

Do not short spark tip with water drop, just make it wet...

If you are getting thins kind of result then its time to put it into engine.

I don't know how it behave with two stroke engine.....

Best luck  :), If you are using mains supply be careful, place earthing terminal on engine, It gives electrical shock to any terminal, discharge capacitor and remove plug before touching any part of the engine, capacitor gets charged through earthing terminal take plug out before touching any part..

 fell free to ask any questions...

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #373 on: July 10, 2008, 06:29:22 PM »
I will use a UPS that will give me ~170V more or less. I hope this isn't a problem...
I'm an electronics technician, not very skilled, but I live in constant electric shock risk. ;D

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #374 on: July 10, 2008, 06:50:15 PM »
DO NOT FORGET BULBS