The Frequency is important because if we put in a pulse we are charging the inductors.We need to time this frequency so the inductors get fully charged and then put a 0 signal (gate time) so the charged inductor can now discharge. This timing is important and we would have to calculate this using the RC time relationship of our inductors.

When im using lawton circuit and im probing the Drain pin of the mosfet with my scope, I see spikes of over 200 volts. Do you know y that is??

you see 200v because your diode is bad or missing.

When I first saw then Meyer video I assumed he was alternating the polarity of the pipes so as to vibrate or spin the water molecules.
Why was he using an alternator?. Then at a certain state of excitation the molecule splits by itself or is induced to do so by a small current.
This seems to be what Dr. Andrija Puharich claimed,
 
I'm not an engineer so I was wondering if it is possible to design a circuit that accepts a 3 phase ac input and triggers at  the high and low points of each wave  to reverse polarity of the pipes many times  each cycle.
I read somewhere that 600cps is necessary.

lol, from the video i watched i do recall stanley meyer say that he used 5 volts 2 amps, 10 watts. this is only on the primary side of the alternator, the secondary side of the alternator delivered over 20 volts over 15 amps to the cell.

the back emf spring harmonic 3 phase behaviour forced amps into the cell briefly so the water doesn't get hot no where near as quick, and the hydrogen producion is greater more than 10 times than using pure DC.

the alternator output is none regulated none pure none filtered DC. he used 3 phase harmonics.

try it.

Hi Raz

I found that my ss test cell was storing a charge right from the off - hence before any conditioning had taken place.  You might have read my earlier posts above on this - I'm still somewhat mystified by it as you can't simply short out the cell to remove the charge.

Initially I thought that the charge was a result of the fact that the electrical charges from the cct would build up faster than the ion charges could move through the water, but if this was the case I'd still be able to discharge them by shorting out - I could not. It seems that I had to literally wipe the charges off the electrode tubes or wait 24 hours for them to discharge fully.  This leads me to believe that the charges are somehow sitting on the insulating chromium oxide layer of the ss.  I still find this intriguing.

Did you get chance to read through that link?  Lawton's spikes are in the kilovolt range too, though I assume he was measuring across his cell.  Seems like the inductors will be the key to high energy efficiency and high voltage spikes. It's just a matter of working out or understanding exactly what is happening.  As far as I'm aware,the diode you removed is to protect the Mosfet. From Lawton:

The transistor acts as a current amplifier, capable of providing several amps to the electrodes.
The 1N4007 diode is included to protect the MOSFET should it be decided at a later date to introduce either
a coil (?inductor?) or a transformer in the output coming from the MOSFET, as sudden switching off of a
current through either of these could briefly pull the ?drain? connection a long way below the 0 Volt line and
damage the MOSFET, but the 1N4007 diode switches on and prevents this from happening by clamping the
drain voltage to -0.7 volts if the drain is driven to a negative voltage.

Curiously, I realise today when I was looking at the Lawton cct with the bifilar winding that he has not wired it as Tesla did in order to magnify the energy it can contain.  Teslas bifilar winding has two wires connected and hence only two terminals to connect in the cct.  Tesla's explanation of this made a lot of sense, I'll see if I can provide a depiction of this soon.

Hopefully I'll be doing some tests of my own today, but I'm using deionised water.

With tap water at 0.5 amps, my cells produce a steady gas output, whether pulsed or straight dc.  However, there comes a point when only proper measurements of gas output can really determine efficiency. 

At this stage, rather than having to fabricate a gas measuring device, my alternative is to simply try and produce any visual signs of gas from my deionised water.  At 12 volts dc, I see nothing in terms if gas production, so I have a reference for my 12 v pulsing tests.

I'm also awaiting delivery of a good LCR bridge in order to make some accurate component measurements - my current handheld LCR multimeter is not up to it. It's all very well winding our own coils and inductors, but it is nice to get some idea of their values.

with tap water in, what if you just pulse the curcuit and read the tank frequency with an oscilloscope? If the cathode and anode match Steven's in size then the resonant return should reveal the frequency. Of course the tank signal will decay rapidly and it will take some messing around to get a trace.

It doesn't have to be a pancake coil as stated in the patent. I think a lot of people see the diagram and think thats the way it must be done. The illustrations shown in the patent are for a better understanding of how the coils are connected and not to be confused with how the coil is wound.


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Just wanted to tell some more points that i observed. If we make the exact Lawton Circuit and probe at the Drain/collector point of the transistor, we dont see any voltage spikes in the range of 700 V but if we take the diode going from Drain to Vcc off and then probe it, we get these spikes. These spikes appear to change with the frequency of our DC pulses. I think these spikes are due to the switching of the transistor. I want to know that if I can create these spikes using 12 V circuit that barely takes any current, could these spikes be used to put in the water cell. I have also measured that the spikes appear even if we dont have an inductor, but they seem to be amplified with the inductor connected from Drain to Vcc. Bifilar works better than toroid or seperate coils. Can we just put these spikes across the cell, this way we dont even need a VIC because we r already getting such high voltage. As u increase the inductance or make a better bifilar coil the spikes should get even higher. We can tune the frequency to resonate the inductor. Lawton said he put the diode to protect the FET, but my circuit works fine without THAT diode. Am I doing it correct or should i put the diode back.

Thanks

Just wanted to tell some more points that i observed. If we make the exact Lawton Circuit and probe at the Drain/collector point of the transistor, we dont see any voltage spikes in the range of 700 V but if we take the diode going from Drain to Vcc off and then probe it, we get these spikes. These spikes appear to change with the frequency of our DC pulses. I think these spikes are due to the switching of the transistor. I want to know that if I can create these spikes using 12 V circuit that barely takes any current, could these spikes be used to put in the water cell. I have also measured that the spikes appear even if we dont have an inductor, but they seem to be amplified with the inductor connected from Drain to Vcc. Bifilar works better than toroid or seperate coils. Can we just put these spikes across the cell, this way we dont even need a VIC because we r already getting such high voltage. As u increase the inductance or make a better bifilar coil the spikes should get even higher. We can tune the frequency to resonate the inductor. Lawton said he put the diode to protect the FET, but my circuit works fine without THAT diode. Am I doing it correct or should i put the diode back.

Thanks

when the lawton circuit pulses the chokes with 6 volts 1 amp the voltage to the fuel cell is steped down, thats what chokes do. if you do not use the diode you will be running on lower voltage and lower amps than what you're using to drive the chokes with, so you loose.

chokes are capacitors, they hold a charge and they discharge. the discharge wave form of a choke is identical to a capacitor discharge wave form, its a spike you see then it falls rapidly. if you add a diode as in the lawton pdf then the voltage and amps the cell sees changes if you use the right frequency.

the output to the cell is greater than than the input driving the chokes, what i mean is you may be using 1 watt to power the lawton circuit but the cell see's 2 watts because of the diode and the way it is used, Crowbar. without the crowbar the Back Emf will be lost and not used, Free power gone! But if you use the crowbar since inductors change polarity when they're not pulsed the crowbar will switch on and direct the back emf to the wfc, however when the diode switches on it is no longer back emf because it turns in to amps, this is how the cell sees more power in watts than the primary side of the chokes.

the frequency is determined by the chokes, i call it Back Emf Resonance because if you are not on the frequency of the chokes then the back emf will not switch the crowbar diode properly and the emf and fet gate charge time will not be in resonate with one another so you have a loss of power. A 10 NF 103k capacitor works the best with the chokes in daves Pdf, you do not need the primary 555 timer circuit only the secondary, the primary makes it worse.

the output wave form is a square wave with ringing at the top, the circuit can only do so much and thats it.

if you compare the lawton waveform to the alternator wave form you will see that lawton gets 1 square wave with his circuit when tuned properly, that is 1 square wave with ringing at the top.

the alternator as crazy as it sounds but yes the out put is a square wave and not a sine wave. the square wave output is in 3 phases, at the top of each square wave you see harmonics, not ringing like dave got with his circuit.

Interesting experiment today.

I built a simple car ignition coil pulsing cct and decided to pulse some 10-15Kvolts across my small test cell.

My little pulse cct produces a square wave that fires the ignition coil. I tested it on my scope to check it was oscillating ok then connected the car coil. I had attached my small PSU set at 12 volts to the unit, but once switched on, the current limiter cut in limiting the current to 600mA.  The result of this was that the supply voltage drops to between 7 and 8 volts. Nevertheless, the coil still fired across a 5-6mm gap. So I was interested to see what would happen when I placed the high voltage pulses across my small test cell.

I've attached a photo of the set up below.

Well, results a little disappointing in that I appeared to get absolutely nothing happening. No sign of any gas production whatsoever.

My water is deionised, so I decided to add some sodium sulphate in order to provide some current carrying ions. Still nothing, no gas at all.

I wanted to check that I had this high voltage there across my cell (2mm gap incidentally), but I've got no HV probes or a meter that will take 15Kv. With the power still on, via insulating cable ties, I carefully lifted the cell out of the water to see if a spark would now arc across the cell... nothing!

Tommorow I want to repeat the experiment with a my large PSU to see what happens when the current is not limited, but here's the interesting thing:

With my test cell in the water, I disconnected the +ve wire of the cell that is attached the the HV of the coil. This meant that I effectively had another spark gap in the cct. Turning the unit back on, I now cautiously moved the detached wire towards the HV coil terminal and found to my surprise that my spark was back - jumping the full 5-6mm gap.

Now, I'm not quite sure what is happening here because my pulses are obviously passing across my submerged electrodes, though I'm not getting any gas so I would assume extremely little current must be flowing.  That said, my PSU is limiting at 600mA and I have an arc jumping a 5-6mm gap.

I re-did the above test again using clean deionised water and got the same result.

There must be a logical explanation, but I must say that I'm a little puzzled by this at present - need to give this some thought.