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Author Topic: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.  (Read 376815 times)

sm0ky2

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #570 on: December 22, 2007, 01:28:28 AM »
@ groundloop


Basically, we had this equation in one of our EE classes, for coil design.

using 10ga insulated wire, and a  pair of caramic-ferrite rings (that we had stripped the wire off of)
we designed the coil to pick up the ambient 120v/60Hz (U.S.) EMF that was circulating throughout the building.
the rest of the circuit was just a resistor/cap to ground to balance the load and a square-wave rectifier to give us a D.C. output.

i think our final outcome was around 3.5v @ 150ma, hardly any power to speak of, but it lit the 2 led's and made the small fan turn. 

It may have nothing to do with the device in the video, his is a lot smaller than ours, it just made me think of that the way he was holding it close to the wall when its working.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #571 on: December 22, 2007, 01:55:34 AM »
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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #572 on: December 22, 2007, 02:32:08 AM »
I think I figure out how this thing works and why the voltage "seams" to go up. Thanks to Groundloop, the gate of the mosfet is holding a capacitance which holds, as when we touch the gate, some voltage that eventually runs out. As it runs out the drive-source current diminish and current consumption goes down and the voltage goes up (because of the battery "ghost" voltage restoration) and we don't notice anything because those LEDs seams to not change in brightness since they are very good in showing light with very little current.

As the brightness goes down very little per mili-mili volt and it is not noticeble by human eyes but the meter is very sensitive and we only notice that therefore the phenomena seams to be that the battery is recharging itself up.

Now, with all the being said, aside from the fact that I am very piss at it, but hey, that science, inst it?!!! Unless someone come up with a real voltage gain with measurement with the battery disconnected from the device I think my explanation is the final explanation. All the tests that I have been doing, duplications and trials I concluded that thats the case.

Some of my tests demonstrates that with 5 IRF510 with only 2 I was able to replicate well the device, I think there is a huge difference in those parts concerning that capacitance in the gate and its leakage. Groundloop?

Anyone?

Well, at least I am happy that I figure out how to make a device that is definetly hell of efficient in keeping low self-consumption and good light control.

Fausto.

ps: [EDIT] but because I am very persistent and I am to make sure my theory is backup by data. I am now leaving connected the amp meter in series with all the LEDs and make notes of the amperage too, so that brightness of the LEDs will be irrelevant (only for entertainment). Voltage cross battery, current going through the LEDs are now my data. Let's hope for a better future.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #573 on: December 22, 2007, 03:05:28 AM »
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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #574 on: December 22, 2007, 03:27:13 AM »
I think I figure out how this thing works and why the voltage "seams" to go up. Thanks to Groundloop, the gate of the mosfet is holding a capacitance which holds, as when we touch the gate, some voltage that eventually runs out. As it runs out the drive-source current diminish and current consumption goes down and the voltage goes up (because of the battery "ghost" voltage restoration) and we don't notice anything because those LEDs seams to not change in brightness since they are very good in showing light with very little current.

As the brightness goes down very little per mili-mili volt and it is not noticeble by human eyes but the meter is very sensitive and we only notice that therefore the phenomena seams to be that the battery is recharging itself up.

Now, with all the being said, aside from the fact that I am very piss at it, but hey, that science, inst it?!!! Unless someone come up with a real voltage gain with measurement with the battery disconnected from the device I think my explanation is the final explanation. All the tests that I have been doing, duplications and trials I concluded that thats the case.

Some of my tests demonstrates that with 5 IRF510 with only 2 I was able to replicate well the device, I think there is a huge difference in those parts concerning that capacitance in the gate and its leakage. Groundloop?

Anyone?

Well, at least I am happy that I figure out how to make a device that is definetly hell of efficient in keeping low self-consumption and good light control.

Fausto.

ps: [EDIT] but because I am very persistent and I am to make sure my theory is backup by data. I am now leaving connected the amp meter in series with all the LEDs and make notes of the amperage too, so that brightness of the LEDs will be irrelevant (only for entertainment). Voltage cross battery, current going through the LEDs are now my data. Let's hope for a better future.

@ Plengo

I am sorry.  This too is what I was speaking of yesterday.  No true charge of amperage.  But it was fun! 

Back to the trenches.....

Merry Christmas!

Bruce

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #575 on: December 22, 2007, 04:57:50 AM »
@btentzer
and the worse is that I am still working on it measuring to have a proof that it does not work. That's my love for science.  ::)
I still have another one that works a little bit different and is still running inside my Faraday's cage. It too can run for 500+ days or even more but that one there is not problem with the gate thing because there is not mosfet.

I guess, I am back to the next level onto the N.Tesla 4 Switch device.  >:( ;)

Fausto.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #576 on: December 22, 2007, 08:32:10 AM »
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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #577 on: December 22, 2007, 11:09:33 AM »
@Plengo,

I do not know where you got the +500 days from. If you run the LEDs ( I use 5 leds) at full strength then
you will draw approx. 100mA/h from the 160mA/h battery. The battery will then last for under two hours. In your case where you are drawing 0,2mA/h from a 160mA/h battery then you will drain the battery in approx. 800 hours. This is close to 33 days of run time.

Groundloop.

@ Groundloop
That was my bad, I had figured total battery wattage vs. discharge, not simply amp hour usage.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #578 on: December 22, 2007, 02:10:15 PM »
Hi @All,

Is this project  busted?   Quote from Myth Buster.

I am about to embark on a a new project related to overunity early next year.
This time it has nothing to do with magnets,coil or electronics.

I 've discoverd this site www.glopaint.com where they recently discovered Litroenergy - a new form of light source which  doesn't require battery at all.It will produce light for 12 years without batteries as they say it's non radioactive.

My plan to purchase this early next year and stack solar cell (eg: on both side of A4 size product.
The cost as mention to light up 8 ? x 11 piece of plastic 1/8? thick is about .35 cents.

I believe this thing may have the potential to generate small amount of power to tricke charge my phone or laptop for many years .

I'm sure somebody or myself will start a new post over at overunity.com related to this project on litroenergy,no soldering or electronic experience may be required.

Quote for the day.Remember to keep information open unruled by EGO, it will benefit mankind in long run.



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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #579 on: December 22, 2007, 02:58:59 PM »
@Plengo

Keep your chin up.
I'd take 33 days over 500 days.... any day. So the goose is not cooked yet. Plus it is not really 33 days but the days it would take for the voltage to arrive at a non-usable level, so that would be less then 33 days.

Imagine all the 9 volts batteries that run devices that require 9 volts and once the battery goes below the usable level for that particular device, people just throw them away. What a waste.

@all

I have plugged my last circuit that lasted 9 minutes onto my super dead 9 volt battery plus a super dead 41,000 mfd 25 vdc capacitor, plugged them in parallel and put them on the circuit. Voltage is now up to 2.964, the LED is lit but very lightly, but voltage is going up. It has been over one day.

Again, this just shows the circuit is living. This is a good base to expand from and try so many other things so it's all great for me.

What if instead we send the LED output to the primary of another coil and the secondary back to the circuit input via a diode. Maybe that would loop the loop. Then put the LED on the negative of the primary and the positive of the secondary.

Question for the EEers. Is this circuit working with AC or DC. On another thread we had discussed already that DC to DC transformers do not exist because you need a an alternating current to create the secondary outputs, so this has to be AC, or is it DC. I mean I am measuring in DC 2.94 volts, and on AC there is only .3mV, so why does the transformer work, or why would a toroid work?

@btentzer

Nice post on ottos' new thread. Lit'z spread the word. I am preparing a post for there but I feel it is too long. I can't believe otto is posting so often these days.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #580 on: December 22, 2007, 05:02:07 PM »
800 hours is better, I can wait for that, after all it has been running now for at least a full week, so 3 more to go and a little bit more than what? If it runs for 40 days what does it prove? (no pun intended).

I am still testing some more and watching the voltage and current.

Is there anyone with a battery that was dead for a long time and once on the system would go up? I am about to test that too.

I am not 100% convinced of my own findings because my first version is running pretty good and the light intensity does not seam to change at all, it is very stable. Again it is subjective the perception of light intensity but after 7 days?!!! I will let that baby run for 40 days.

Only time will tell the whole story once I collect enough data and again I will publish it without concerns for my feelings, after all we are looking for the thruth and thats what science is based upon.

Fausto.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #581 on: December 22, 2007, 08:53:06 PM »
Hi Fausto, in your last Youtube video you showed the batteries that worked and some that did not work.
Please can you post here the exact specifications of the batteries, which work ?
Many thanks..
P.S. If the working batteries were really the nonrechargeable Zinc-Carbon type batteries, then I wonder if the effect is due to hitting the graphite electrode with high voltage pulses...
Batteries with graphite electrodes are always special with high voltage pulses...

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #582 on: December 22, 2007, 09:22:53 PM »
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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #583 on: December 22, 2007, 10:36:45 PM »
@hartiberlin
Now it is running on the carbon zinc and it is still running good. I am totaly confused with this thing. I also tried before with the rechargeble 9v NIMH and it also woked and the final reached voltage was steady and with good charge. So basicaly the good one (let me call it - SRLC "Self Regulator LED Controller") was used with a 9v NIMH and success and now with the 9v Carbon Zinc.

Another replication did not work well with another 7.2v NIHM but seams to be working with another Zinc one.

The zinc one is: Powercell no. 1604P. Manufactured by Gold Peak Industries Limited in China. BTW. I dont think there is HV spikes on this device.

@Groundloop
I did exactly the same as you did and it will keep the gate open. The one that is running good (SRLC) is doing exactly that (edit: keeping the gate charged with an intial voltage and leaking until a certain level) and thats why I said a few posts before that it did not change the brightness in a perceptible way because it has been in the "minimun mode" for a few days already.

Fausto.

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« Reply #584 on: December 23, 2007, 12:42:17 AM »



If there was a way to make the little oscillators spin  it might be more  interesting.
at this stage the fields are going back wards and fowards....like a normal transformer...thats why you get better results with a radio antenna.

Perhaps a larger coil/transformer outside the little ring  would be a better way to pick up the timing pulse?

Of course this only would only spin up like a gyroscope if electrons had inertia......Im not sure that many could agree on that one way or the other.

Google ...cross field antenna...and bhibas...