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Author Topic: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.  (Read 376539 times)

sanmankl

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #615 on: January 05, 2008, 09:03:50 AM »
@Plengo,

!st of all, happy hoildays.

I'd got your circuit running with various MOSFETs but I the best result is from an IGBT. It's difficult to kick start it and I have to put my fingers on both the gate and drain in order to get it working.

I've also put 2 SSG coil in series and the results are nothing short of amazement esp. when the ampmeter is reading >0.05mA lighting up 5 LEDs. It's not lighting brightly but visible indoor. Best part of it all, the voltage did not drop, hovering around 8.45V about 15 hours ago.

Maybe it's the super low current comsumption of these LEDs??? (and these LEDs are the cheapest transparent 5mm ones; please read it as requiring higher current.......)

Yes, even though the thread may seem to be dying but I'm like you, continue to work at it. In fact, I'm "revisiting" EMDevice circuit since I have it in a separate breadboard, setting up groundloop's tesla switch replication, low current electrolysis, etc.....:-)

Below are cell phone pictures of my setup.

Cheers, cp
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plengo

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #616 on: January 05, 2008, 09:24:16 AM »
@sanmankl
That's so good to hear that I am not craizy. What you talked about in touching the mosfet to get it running I documented on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXtafVgJW_M

Keep showing us your results, please.

Fausto.
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sanmankl

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #617 on: January 05, 2008, 10:07:16 AM »
@Plengo,

We are never crazy enough.... :D

People like us are the "trail-blazers", never take the beaten path and when others don't understand, they say you are crazy. We question the conventional and explore the unconventional.

I, for one don't care what others call me. Hopefully, let our effort/work speaks for itself when we achieve something.

Like Tesla say "the present belongs to them but the future is mine" ;D

I'll post my results when I have achieve sufficient run time.

Cheers, cp
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newton2

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #618 on: January 05, 2008, 11:45:21 AM »
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Groundloop

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #619 on: January 05, 2008, 01:06:39 PM »
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« Last Edit: January 10, 2008, 12:13:15 AM by Groundloop »
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wattsup

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #620 on: January 05, 2008, 05:37:19 PM »
Well mine is still dimly lit since Dec 22nd 2007. And voltage goes up and down as usual.

I just got my order of torroids, small ones, big ones and lots of wire gauges.  I think I will get another breadboard so I can leave my present system in place and try other configs.

Not posting does not mean a dead thread. By the way this circuit works, we can say nothing is ever really dead.
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sanmankl

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #621 on: January 06, 2008, 07:52:47 AM »
Quote from: Groundloop on January 05, 2008, 01:06:39 PM
@Newton2,

You are 100% right about semiconductors that works as soler panels. I discovered that back in 1980.
Attached is a image of the output from 100 IR diodes. 10 diodes in series is connected to 10 rows.
This image is taken in normal indoor lightning.

Groundloop.

@all,

I get approx 1.1 volt off my 10mm (the big one) Green LED. Reading taken in heavy overcast sky. This fact is well known amongst solar tracker builders.

Take a look at this. http://www.redrok.com/electron.htm#led3x

Cheers, cp

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sanmankl

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #622 on: January 06, 2008, 05:03:04 PM »
@ all,

Here's the latest result of my run.

Plengo's circuit. 6 White LEDs, 1 Green, 1 Yellow. IGBT is a IRG4PC50U (Ultra Fast IGBT. Datasheet avail. from www.datasheetcatalog.com). PNP is a 2N3907. Battery is a GP 9V NMh rechargeable rated at 170mAh. Single SSG coil. It's a 150 feet bifilar #18 and 19.

Battery is charged and first measurement is at 9.81V. Voltage drops to 8.99V upon connection to circuit. Amp draw is at 0.3mA. 5 White LEDs are lighted up but dim (shines greenish tint).

6 hours and still running, voltage remains at steady 8.99V (no flucuation).

In other tests, I changed the MOSFETs to IRF510, IRF530, IRF240, FQB50N06 and all show voltage drop. So far with IGBT, voltage remains at 8.99V.

Let's see if the voltage remains steady, dip or rises.....

Will keep all posted.

Cheers, cp
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sanmankl

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #623 on: January 07, 2008, 03:41:44 PM »
@ All,

Here's my test results.

After 12 hours, the voltage drops down to 8.98 from the start voltage (with load) of 8.99. The amp consumption remains steady at 0.2mA. Added another SSG coil (identical to the first) in series and the result is similar i.e. 0.01 volt drop after 6 hours.

Don't know what it proves but I guess I have to look at the circuit from afresh?

Cheers, cp
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EMdevices

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #624 on: January 11, 2008, 04:07:45 AM »
Nice work guys,  glad to see you're exploring.
I'm curious to see how long the Fausto's experiment will last.  One 9V battery that just keeps going and going!!   I understand you started with a "discharged" battery, is that right?
EM
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plengo

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #625 on: January 11, 2008, 04:32:01 AM »
@EMdevices
I have 3 running. One started at 9.17v, the other at 5.21v and the last at 7.66v. All 9v NIMH. They are still running good.

The one that started with 9.17 now is around 7.85 but it does not change at all. Good brightness and I have no idea the current consuption. The one with 7.66v is now using only 0.1ma and started at 1ma. I would say the brightness diminished a little bit but not much very stable so far. The third is inside a faraday cage and is a different design then the others.

I tried to upload pics but the site is not permitting.

Fausto.
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sanmankl

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #626 on: January 11, 2008, 02:54:48 PM »
@ Plengo,

Last night, I changed the coil a bit.

I'm using 60 feet of "garden wire" which is made of iron. It's sold in a nice coiled up bundle and I use that to replace the SSG coil (connecting to the C and E of the PNP) and I've got 2 x 5mm red led lit up. There's another 5mm blue led connected in series to the 2 red ones. All three are dimly lit up. Amp reading taken from the 9V battery is 0.005mA. Reading done off a 1mA meter.  It's almost no amp at all but the leds are lit.

It's been running for about 15 hours now without any drop in voltage (starting at 9.40V and it's still 9.40V now.

Maybe somebody like you can explain this? I just don't know what to make out of this circuit?

Regards, cp
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plengo

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #627 on: January 11, 2008, 04:49:45 PM »
@sanmankl

Oh boy. At that current level (0.005ma??) it should run "forever". No I can not explain it. I wrote my theory about it a few posts ago where the capacitance of the mosfet gate keeps it open and slowly diminish in level as time passes and as it does that the current between the source and drive goes so small and the LED goes down in brightness. What I dont understand still is why my batteries after so long running (since december 14) and the voltage seams to not be used up at all. It goes up and down. That's is the strangest thing for me.

May be is some chemical reaction in the battery that allows it to run so well for so long but eventually it will die (assumptions made here).

It could be that the coil is picking up some extra "energy" from the air/space where it sill feed slowly and "smally" (if that word exists) to the overall battery energy level. That's why I also have one running inside a Faraday's cage.

What is interesting is that if you remove the transistor and just connect things directly it will not work and if you connect the battery directly to the LED it will eventually die a slow death but it will die (I did that).

Fausto.
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Uri

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #628 on: January 11, 2008, 05:36:26 PM »
Is somebody familiar with this:

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9128/ringpowergeneratorlp1.th.png)
Source: http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ringpowergeneratorlp1.png

Can this produce overunity ???  ::)
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sanmankl

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #629 on: January 12, 2008, 10:02:02 AM »
@Plengo,

What I think I should do is to hard solder the circuit (my breadboard is not in it's best health after poking it with #20 wires) and there could be intermittent contact problems.

Once done, I'll set the circuit to run and see how long does it last? I'll set it in a corner and move on to Groundloop tesla switch....:-)

Cheers and thanks for introducing this fun circuit....:-)

cp
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