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Author Topic: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.  (Read 374436 times)

wattsup

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #645 on: January 27, 2008, 04:36:08 PM »
@all

Well my miniTPU started on Dec 22nd is now dead. Will try other formats, and do some other toroid winds with my new stock on hand.

Also found a guy selling these transistors on ebay and am wondering if they could have some use in the miniTPU set-up.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Philips-BFR96S-3GHz-NPN-RF-Amp-Osc-Transistor-Qty-6_W0QQitemZ370016638478QQihZ024QQcategoryZ105799QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The same seller is selling this huge toroid core;
http://cgi.ebay.ca/T520-2-Iron-Powder-Toroid-For-the-Ultimate-HF-Balun_W0QQitemZ110216913439QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4672QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Plus on the same page there are some great links to toroid info. I am sure most of the real EEers here would find some great insight and ideas.

I will also be working on Erfinders challenge. Battery, relays, transformer, diodes, low EE is right up my alley. Thanks Erf. I will get all of the missing parts today and stat to play.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg73403.html#msg73403

There are so many things to work on and learn.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #646 on: January 29, 2008, 03:08:07 PM »
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« Last Edit: February 04, 2008, 05:48:45 PM by newton2 »

wattsup

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #647 on: January 29, 2008, 04:13:36 PM »
@newton2

Thanks for your posting this information. So maybe those transistors are good to buy and test with.

Please excuse all of us if we may have not understood all your comments as it is in a style of writing that is not regular so our brains have to adjust to catch your meanings. That's OK. You are better off saying something important then not saying it. With all due respect I would like to ask you a delicate question which you do not have to answer. Here goes. Are you having a condition of mild Autism as your style of writing is very close to that of some autistic persons having great specific knowledges and discussing via computer in the same type of style. Sorry for the question but I just had to know. It does not matter anyways.

Regarding RFI and other influences in my home office where I do my thing, yes there is a TV usually always on. I can see the screen sometimes showing static when I do tests on certain things. Also I have a telephone, a cell phone, a computer, a fan blowing air out of my office, etc. I realize that some of these may contribute to erroneous OU observations, but when I need to really confirm something, I will always turn all electrical devices off before doing any other measurements. I have also made myself a long static sensor that I connect to my scope to make sure there is no outside influence when I do such checks. Otherwise we would have to work in lead lined rooms.

All the best.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #648 on: January 29, 2008, 08:06:09 PM »
@newton2
yes, thank you newton2. Very interesting observations and poinst about the anoumalies possibly being from external factors that are considered "non existent" in some circles that could possibly explain some of our findings.

@wattsup
I was curious too and since you asked newton2 about his writtings, I also will kindly ask: Would you newton2, be using a translator by any chance?

@all
just a refresher, this thread is really about EMdevices on the mini-TPU with his original device and my device was just a conicidence in some aspects which later i embedded here and members asked not to go to another thread. So we really have here 2 things going on somehow related but not really.

My devices are going down in voltage but interestingly enough extremelly slowly and still running so far.

Fausto.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2008, 10:59:47 PM by plengo »

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #649 on: January 31, 2008, 02:12:13 PM »
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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #650 on: February 01, 2008, 11:34:17 AM »
 :)Hello All Honoured Profiles of this long going on continued Discussion !

Might I kindly just mention this LINK to a SURPLUS-DMM-SAlesPLace :

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well-then , might so happen , that You allready since long knew about such "Sites"
and more "Sites" else !  Then just I kindly mentioned such a LINK !

Well-then, yesterday I got suddenly even-more-busy having even-more-extra-Science-Works to should "do"..........
thus I have to write only this brief text !

WKR & have All Yourselves a nice Day and Weekend & fruitfull Results from all of Your various many hardlabored Doings/Experiments !

And my Thanks about Your respective hardlabored aimings for getting Results in
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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #651 on: February 02, 2008, 11:06:15 PM »
The schematic please !

wattsup

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #652 on: February 02, 2008, 11:48:54 PM »
@Caracole

Welcome to the board.

You should maybe modify your post and expand on exactly what you mean by "the schematic please!".

@newton2

Thanks for clarifying the basis for your writing style. It is a bit harder for people to understand though and maybe there is a midway between this since I know from what you are saying that you have more to offer us here, it would be a pity if such information was lost based on writing style. When we give information or state things, it is not for the writer to understand, but for the reader, so usually, we are writing in a way for the reader. In any case, whatever churns the butter is alright I guess.

As for the LEDS attracting energy into themselves, Plengo had a circuit that was totally covered with an aluminum sheeting to minimize such potential.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #653 on: February 03, 2008, 03:21:23 AM »
Since I saw my name here again, some status of the lights:
They are almost all dead. Very fainty light is there.

I think, since the batteries are not dead, this device proved itself to be a very efficient one but nothing special.

Sorry for the bad news, but that's what science is all about, experimentation, observation and repitability. Theories will come and go and the ones that stands are the closest to perceived reality.

I think I can conclude this one experiment saying that it does not produce any OU or extra energy from anywhere. The circuit demonstrated to be very efficient in controlling the amount of energy is transmited to the LEDs and nothing else.

Fausto.

ps: Note the amout of current going into the LEDs (almost 0 ma) and they are still lit. Very impressive LEDs indeed.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #654 on: February 03, 2008, 04:29:17 AM »
@plengo,

still seems, damn, impressive to me!!!!!  not that counts for anything!!!

lol
sam

ps:  keep up the good work.  don't think people aren't watching.  some of us are just not on this level yet.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #655 on: February 03, 2008, 04:35:53 AM »
... I can conclude this one experiment ... does not produce any OU ... - Fausto.

Fausto,

Excellent study.  I'd be interested in knowing if your Circuit can re-charge batteries.

- Schpankme

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #656 on: February 03, 2008, 11:53:56 AM »
 :)Hello All You Honoured Profiles !

THanks this continued for long going on Discussion including the Original interesting Topic?s Theme plus the lots of interesting Replies !

Thanks about Your various interesting important contributions to such necessary Forums-Discussions !

I suppose , that You allready know about this WebSite of FREE-ELECTRONICAL-COMPONENTES-Informations/Specifications-DATA-Sheets :

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WKR & have All Yourselves a nice Day and Weekend & fruitfull Results from Your respective various many hardlabored Science/Technics Experiments and Doings !

PS:
perhaps I will be back here in this interesting Discussion of Original interesting Topic?s Theme...perhaps NOT....
for I have to busily-prepare for Public-Announcing some of my mere Results !

So for present : Adieu and Farewell , maybe WE will meet some Time in Some Place in some WebForum or in some Science/Technics-Seminarium or even in some Public-TV-Channel-Program!

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #657 on: February 04, 2008, 04:47:03 PM »
@Schpankme
that's the million dollar question. What I have observed on my circuit is that the battery fluctuates back and forth until it just run down. Now, one of my devices has a 6v left and started at 9.17v (or around that). Somehow the 6v is not enough anylonger to light up the LED very brightly, but a new battery at 6v would. So somehow the battery "energy" has changed ( I know it is craizy what I am saying, but I can not think of something else to explain that).

The same is happening with my second running device which shows the current (see some pictures of previous posts) being used by the LEDs and it is now about less than 0.1ma and the LEDs are still lit. Very faintly but still there. The battery voltage is around 5v and I simply can not make, with this battery, the circuit to light the LEDs more brightly than it is. A new battery of 5v would light them up very bright. So I am really puzzled.

Aside from all that, I dont think this is really charging the batteries up but it is not working as normal either. I did an experiment in parallel to this one using just a battery and LEDs and the battery simply ran down to 1v and that was it.

I tested to see if these LEDs I am using generate energy under strong light (light a solar cell) and it did not. I do see a relationship in the brightness of the LEDS and the size of the coil. Bigger the coil, brighter and the LEDs are but they all run down in an equivalent manner.

I think these LEDs have some unique properties that helps to this behavior which older LEDs don't.

 I which a lot more people would build this babies and let them run in the corner of a room and see how long it will take for them to go down and how they go down.

Fausto.

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #658 on: February 04, 2008, 05:07:20 PM »
Thank you for those experiments Fausto, sorry to see the lights go out.

These white LEDs are so efficient.  I got a pair recently and was amazed they lit up from 6 volts with a 1M ohm resistor in series,  that's close to 5 uAmps, wow. 

So, pulling very little power to light an effiecient LED, will make a battery last a long time.

To further extend the battery life, the LED can be Pulsed,  and to the eye it will seem like its continuous lighting (make sure frequency is high enough).  My bike light does that, and it has lasted for years now with moderate use in the evenings.  Your experiment does the same, pulsing the LEDs fast enough so the eye can't tell the difference.

Regarding batteries,   a 6V charged vs a 6V discharged battery is quite obvious when you try to draw current from it, so that should not surprise you.  Even some what discharged batteries will still have enough current sourcing capacity.  But when the battery can't even light an LED, you know it's hosed !!  LOL   :D

EM

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Re: Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.
« Reply #659 on: February 07, 2008, 09:08:16 PM »
Hey EM what did become of your micro tpu?
If you ask me these things are just LC noise fiters....you will find them in any power supply.
They look exactly the same too.
Offcoure they have to be placed inside the collector otherwise they would respond to all the magnetic and mind blowing hash radio outside the ring.
He swipes with magnets just to let us think these things have to do something with the RRFF or RMF.
I have just finished my new tube power supply and it utilizes 6 of these things.
Ive started with orange drops and a .47 filter on to orange drops and a .33 filter on to more orange drops and a .22 filter and then on to the the SS bridge with orange drops and from there on to the 4 plates of two 5u4's in paralell to the power caps  ;D

M.