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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1721377 times)

electricme

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3705 on: September 22, 2010, 04:27:23 AM »
Thanks to everyone for the welcome back.

I will take a look at Lasersabers stuff shortly but looking at my bandwidth, it says 102bytes, Activ8me is pritty lousy with their so called brodband product, even dialup is blindingly fast. Maby I should put the dish through a shredder and post it back to them  ;D


The people up there need a lot of stubblefield coils with LEDs on them, so lets get cracking on it.

I'm still mineing my way through emails and PMs  ;)

jim


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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3706 on: September 22, 2010, 06:30:09 AM »
@all,

I just came across a circuit that could be put to good usage by us in our stubblefield research.
This test instrument measures the strength of a magnetic field and is the magnetic field the North Pole or the South Pole.

I found it in Circuit Notebook of the Sillicon Chip September issue on page 92, there are very few parts which makes it easy to build.

It uses a UGN3503u    3 pin IC (not a transistor) it's a radiometric linear Hall Effect sensor, Jaycar part number ZD-1902

It was designed by a reader in N.S.W. and forwarded to the magazine, which I recomend to everyone.

For those who dabble in HHO stuff you might be interrested in this http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_112072/article.html

   
jim 

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3707 on: September 22, 2010, 09:25:11 PM »
Hello. After a very long hiatus (many life events including the birth of 2 children) My interest in this subject has returned enough to start actively developing again. I have located all of my old materials and prototypes. I will be taking a bit of time to read all of the postings I missed. I look forward to talking with you guys soon.

Hi Jeanna, Electrime..... :)

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3708 on: September 22, 2010, 10:04:05 PM »
MW383:

Welcome back.

Also check out Lasersaber's topic where he has an NS coil powering a rotor now for over 3 months.  He used the cotton covered wire and it appears to be a pretty true replication of NS's coil.

Looking forward to seeing your experiments.

Bill

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3709 on: September 22, 2010, 10:30:30 PM »
Thanks Bill. I will indeed look at this other project. Boy I am way behind!

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3710 on: September 23, 2010, 08:12:27 AM »
@mw383

Hello, nice to see you again, thats quite a break you had  :D

I heard the groooooan down south here as you realised playing catch is fun fun fun lol.

As Bill says, lasersaber has done some big discoveries, and more will be coming forward no doubt.

jim

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« Reply #3711 on: September 23, 2010, 05:15:43 PM »
Just got done watching lasersaber videos. Nice construction techniques with results similar to my last attempts last year. My interest in this subject is becoming very much renewed.

I am going to start with a few ground experiments using the series-parallel-resonant induction circuit + pancake coil apparatus I have. I posted a picture of it last year I think. (Coil in the picture was for another experiement and will not be used for my ground experiements. That coil was a water heating system. Coil wrapped around ferrous iron pipe. It was one hell of a water heater btw.) So I'll be using pancake coil that I have. It will be mounted vertically in ground so that it creates a field in a rough N-S orientation. Coil has mumetal on 1 side thus quenching field in that direction. I will run coil with+without the mumetal and see what happens. I can run the coil at various power levels and 2 frequencies (50khz, 25khz). The circuit does not allow me to do much else but I will see what happens anyway. I'll probably put some rods in the vicinity of field I create and measure any variation in earth electrical response. Probably simple copper-iron deal here. Will not be able to get iron near field as it will heat. I'll play with it. Results by next Monday...

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« Reply #3712 on: September 23, 2010, 05:35:12 PM »
Just got done watching lasersaber videos. Nice construction techniques with results similar to my last attempts last year. My interest in this subject is becoming very much renewed.

I am going to start with a few ground experiments using the series-parallel-resonant induction circuit + pancake coil apparatus I have. I posted a picture of it last year I think. (Coil in the picture was for another experiement and will not be used for my ground experiements. That coil was a water heating system. Coil wrapped around ferrous iron pipe. It was one hell of a water heater btw.) So I'll be using pancake coil that I have. It will be mounted vertically in ground so that it creates a field in a rough N-S orientation. Coil has mumetal on 1 side thus quenching field in that direction. I will run coil with+without the mumetal and see what happens. I can run the coil at various power levels and 2 frequencies (50khz, 25khz). The circuit does not allow me to do much else but I will see what happens anyway. I'll probably put some rods in the vicinity of field I create and measure any variation in earth electrical response. Probably simple copper-iron deal here. Will not be able to get iron near field as it will heat. I'll play with it. Results by next Monday...

If you have that old picture handy I'd like to see it.

If not, I can wait for a new picture after you get set up again.

Thanks
DonL

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« Reply #3713 on: September 23, 2010, 06:48:23 PM »
If you have that old picture handy I'd like to see it.

Thanks
DonL

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7769.msg210889#msg210889

Here is link for page w/ picture. Water heating coil present in this picture. (induction water heating...) On a side note, I have new litz wire so I can build improved water heating coil that should be better than original one in picture. Call it an ultra-modern (and very efficient) hot water heating system for your house...That is the intent anyway. Could also be used for domestic hot water but only in low output flow/volumes. Induction circuit requires only 450W/120VAC so feeding it with small wind generator feasible. I live in extreme wind. But this is off topic :)

For ground experiements I will be using pancake coil mounted so that field produced is in line w/ natural earth magnetics for my location as reported by that one geological site. I have to re-look up but as I remember it, the field ran slightly SE to slightly NW by a few degrees from true N-S and at an inclination angle of 12deg downward as it heads to the North. Again, I need to find that site and look this up again. When I was experimenting with simple Fe-Cu rods, my best results were obtained when I had rod alignment tuned to geological data for my area. So with my gizmo, a magnetic field artificially being produced and in-line with earth's own. Circuit limited to 25or50Khz unfortunately... Field will be quite strong however. My question is...what is happening electrically on axis to right angle of this created field? Fe-Cu posts will be re-employed. Readings of their output will be taken in natural state and when artificial magnetic field activated. These are some basic questions I have after reading many geological prospecting patents (looking for oil/minerals) in which a similar technique is used. This type of equipment employed in 70-80's and able to react with earth to great depths.

Whole theory here is that natural system balances itself magnetically/electrically. We know natural magnetic field is there. We know there is electrical counterpart through simple Fe-Cu rod experiments. We know the electrical response is weak (say 1 volt and 20ma DC). So it would seem reasonable that magnetic field is also weak. In looking at the magnetic field data for earth, it is stronger and weaker in various places. Thus I would expect stronger/weaker electrical responses. Stubblefield seemed to have a knack for finding the best places to put these things. It would appear that rock-ridden ground doesn't work so good as evidenced in a Stubblefield failure up in New York if my memory serves me correctly. Maybe all of the rocks create localized or larger dipole effects that screw things up, not sure..

My basic question = will earth respond in larger electrical way if larger magnetic field present? Hence I will get busy finding out. Should there be anything interesting here, better-more adjustable equipment will be needed. I want to go much lower in frequency than this circuit I have. I have found various kits that can be constructed together to achieve this. I need to find all of that info and review again. I also want to experiment with the many parallel-resonant Tishitang ideas posted here last year. Stubblefield did radio and it was probably a closely related to his battery in ways. Thus I still think Tishitang's thoughts still apply to our work. On another note, the construction of Stubblefield's coil is brutal. Maybe low in voltage but should handle some real big current. I have to think it is built big for this very purpose. We get mA DC out of what we currently build, Stubblefield looks to have had much larger current and at some frequency related to earth's.

But how to get it :)

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3714 on: September 25, 2010, 08:35:37 PM »
Hi to all am new here and have been trying a few things ....I'm currently reading this post from the start,on pg28 so far.....posted about putting a mini NS coil in series with copper &galv pipes ....their voltages added...Just tried to hook two coppers, to two galvs, they won't add ......I seperated the two coppers by 10'.....went 15' to the south .....put the two galv spikes 10' apart....I can hook ethier copper to ethier galv ...and get the same readings 1.03v.........tried adding in series and parallel.....neither worked.......read that somebody isolated their probes with plastic.....this allowed them to add .......I tried house wire 14/2..taped the ends that were in the ground.......didn't work.......I'm sure the answer is there just have'nt got there yet.......can anybody save me alot of reading.......maybe an update of what works and what does'nt ........thanx in advance ......shylo

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3715 on: September 25, 2010, 09:44:16 PM »
shylow:

Welcome over here.  Check out Electricme's posts somewhere about 8 months ago or so where he placed his electrodes in series and got like 40-60 vdc.  I am not sure exactly where that was but it is on the more recent end of this topic as opposed to the beginning.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3716 on: September 27, 2010, 04:09:33 AM »
@shylo,

Looks like you got some frustration, with your rods in the earth, like all those who came before you.
Only way I can explain this is the earth is a "single" entity, so only 1 set of electrodes work. They can put out up to 1.5volts in rare times, but I think this is a location thing which produces such volts.

I think a number of rods in the earth could work, if there was some means electronically of doing this. My theory would be to set up a heep of rods in the earth, then common up all the negatives together, each Positive seperatly loading a small value capacitor, then use a IC to switch to each positive rod in turn which could "dump" the energy inside the capacitor into a single large FARAD capacitor or charge up a battery, then use the energy accumulated.

Only my theory of course, but no ones tried this before here, it may work, it may not work, but from where I'm looking at it, there seems to be a better chance of it working than not.
 
I did get as Bill has said up to 60 volts out of my EER setup in my back yard, I found I had to insulate every cell with plastic insulation tape, also the bottom of the tube, if I had more copper pipe and zinc nails, I would have achieved an even higher voltage.

To get enough energy to drive a single white LED, I had to divide the cells up into Series / parallel arrangement, the LED was blindingly bright at times, but I was always having to put water into each cell to make it work. It is galvanic, a bit like voltares many disks in brine (I think) but this was in dirt.
I'm beginning to think it's the humble water molocule where the energy lies.

Somehow it can pull the electrons out of one metal and put them onto another metal, in the process the electricity is made.
Don't hold me on this, only my idea and could be wrong.

jim
 

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« Reply #3717 on: September 27, 2010, 12:07:36 PM »
Hi Jim......thats amazing ,when you say "insulate with plastic tape"is this electrical tape?....the cell being, galv-,copper+, inside a plastic tube? I have an arteasion well could put my cells in it, saving have to add water continously.....I've been looking for your earlier post ,but haven't found it yet, this site is very slow for me since I'm on dial -up......and I agree Ithink the answer is in the water......thanx......shylo

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« Reply #3718 on: September 27, 2010, 02:14:48 PM »
@shylo,

Thats right, use electrical insulation tape on the outside of each copper cell.
You must seal the bottom of each cell also, if you don't the electricity in the cell will "leak" away to earth, any other cell not insulated in this way will also leak away to earth.

If you "flood" the cells in water, they will not work properly, the same thing occurs with the Stubblefield cell too, as Lasersaber has found out, it needs a happy medium to work, between wet and dry. ;)

If you want to have amps from this type of setup, you will need to make each cell larger, how big I don't know, at a guess, about 2 to 3 feet long, and you would need to aquire a zink nail that long too, but it stands to reason that is the way to success.

As far as I understand, I hold the voltage record for a EER cells since 2009, at 66 volts DC. Anyone reading this is welcome to break this record, if they wish to do so.
I might even try to break my own record ha ha, but I want to finish making some machinery 1st though.
 

jim

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3719 on: September 27, 2010, 02:40:43 PM »
@all,

Today I decided it was time to begin work on my Stubblefield coil winding machine, so I threw some iron pipe together, and it holds the blank stubblefield former between ends.
I made the main frame so it can be adjustable from 7" coils to 24 inch coils.
The nut from the center bolt on the empty Stubblefield former near the wooden end, fits into a sidchrome socket, which I welded a nut which attaches to the horizontal main drive shaft.

On the other side of the business of the Stubblefield coil (the adjustable attachment)is a threaded rod with a tightening handle to put pressure to the end of the bolt which goes through the middle of the Stubblefield coil.

This threaded rod is machined down to a 1/4 stubby shaft, which goes into a mating hole in the Stubblefield main bolt.

I found I will need to cut the support posts down a bit as it sticks up way too high, maby I should leave it there, hmmm.....

Next step is to attache it to a table of sorts, then attach a PWM drive motor to the center drive shaft, got some figuring out to do now.

See the attached photos, excuse the mess please.

jim