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Author Topic: Appears to be overunity Cicuit  (Read 25535 times)

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2007, 06:58:00 AM »
here is some shots

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2007, 07:07:07 AM »
Yes, sure the waveform across the output bulb would help much
and also the waveform at the drain of the MOSFET versus
battery ground.

Many thanks in advance,
Please also state, where the groundline is
on the scopeshots and whatthe Volts/div
and millisec/div are set to.

Many thanks.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2007, 07:11:46 AM »
Okay, our messages crossed.

Looks like the lastshot you posted is definately
the voltage across the output cap and the ripple
ontop of it is due to the lightbulb putting the load on
the cap, so we see the chargeup ripple from the transformer.


Could you please also show the drain voltage of the MOSFET,
there where it makes contact with the transformer coil.
Any use battery ground as the minuspole for the scope.

Thanks.
Please state also how much volts per unit you have set and
what the timescale is set on the scope.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2007, 07:11:46 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2007, 07:23:13 AM »
THis is driving the Transformer.. under a load

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2007, 07:28:26 AM »
looks like a man in the picture, you can see his ear eyes mouth and arm, that is just frekky as hell

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2007, 07:28:26 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2007, 07:29:58 AM »
THis is driving the Transformer.. under a load
Where exactly did you measure this between ?

What is the amplifier setting on the scope and timing setting on the scope ?

Otherwise one can not say much...

Please also measure the voltage across the 24 Volts winding
of the transformer with the scope.
Many thanks.

Spewing

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2007, 07:39:06 AM »
see, my scope dont measure, only let s me see waves.   

the voltage going to and comming from the primary transformer is 13.40 AC and 9.86 DC                   

i grounded the oscilloscope to the battery, and hooked to the drain of the mosfet.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2007, 07:39:06 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2007, 07:51:27 AM »
Can you please show the waveform with the scope directly across the
primary 24 Volts winding of the transformer ?

Is it a pure sine wave or does it also have pulses in it ?
Does the transformer make a hum noise when it is driven this way ?

DO you think the frequency is in the 1 Khz to 20 Khz range or only in the 100 Hz to 1 Khz
region or still lower like 50 or 60 Hz ?

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2007, 08:11:31 AM »
all of these where taken across the primary coil, the frequency was unchanged on every one of these photos, i did the best i could with what i have.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2007, 08:11:31 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2007, 03:44:53 PM »
Hmm, strange, why does the waveform change so much, when you did not change the frequency or anything else ?
Was it once with outpu bulb and once without it ?

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2007, 03:45:07 PM »
the capacitor was from a microwave,. it was 1.05 uf, allthough the size is not crucial to get this to resonate.
These capacitors (high voltage) usually have a resistor built into the device and connected across the output connections. Does this matter?
Paul.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2007, 06:06:16 PM »
microwave over transformers used pulsed dc, but it is not needed because i think the magnetron is the resistor, i wouldn't bet that the capacitor is discharged when you remove the case, be carefull. the use a secondary resonance where i was using a primary resonance.

the resonance in my circuit depends on the primary coil and not the primary capacitor, my core is soft iron i think, this circuit could be so much better! and the secondary side could resonate with the primary creating even more energy.

the oscilloscope was free to me, i repared it, i get different wave forms when i turn the sweep speed. the oscilloscope is doing a damn good job for its vintage age.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2007, 06:23:09 PM »
could you please post the sweep speed to each posted scope shot ? We have to find out the exact frequency which works best and the optimized pulse width.
Is your scope maybe still defective, so it shows different waveforms ?
Many thanks.

Spewing

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2007, 07:11:24 PM »
i don't have a good scope, i think it is somewhat defective, it is old and it was given to me buy a good guy. i don't know anyone in a 50 mile radias that does electronics like i do so i cant borrow one:(

ironhead said he built the circuit, maybee he has an oscilloscope?

surly someone with an oscilloscope could help?

i am working on charging my battery.

BTW< my typing is sloppy this week, forgive me, to tired to correct every typo...

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2007, 10:59:21 PM »
I am going to experiment now with it.
I have many parts here and will try it first with a square wave from my function generator.
Could you please let us know, what pulse generator you used ?
Please document it all some more, so others can also replicate it more easily.
Maybe also do a new video and show all the used parts for better documentation.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.

 

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