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Author Topic: Appears to be overunity Cicuit  (Read 25519 times)

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Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« on: October 15, 2007, 02:00:23 AM »
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vch5_9T4lo0

this is a circuit i have created, it appears to be over unity

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vch5_9T4lo0

have fun with this.

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Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« on: October 15, 2007, 02:00:23 AM »

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2007, 02:19:53 AM »
Hi,
looks very interesting.


What exactly is your pulse input ?
What frequency and what voltage and what duty cycle ?

What kind of transformer did you use ?
Could you please post a parts list ?
Many thanks.

Spewing

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2007, 02:36:08 AM »
the battery was dead so i didn't bother measuring anything, it wouldn't even hardly make a arc.

the 555 timer used a 2a224k cap, that transformer from radioshack is sec 12.6-0-12.6v 2a pri 120v 60 hz, no part number. it is 125 to 24 volt step down transformer.

the capacitor was from a microwave,. it was 1.05 uf, allthough the size is not crucial to get this to resonate.

i am sorry but i dont know the rating of the cap for the timer, only the part number, the size is within the part number. the light was 60 watts 120 volts.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2007, 02:36:08 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2007, 03:17:55 AM »
Interesting, can you try this with a small battery, like a common 9 volt? Can you then wire the lamp so it stays connected for more then a few seconds and see how long till the little battery exhausts?

RD

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 04:04:10 AM »
@Spewing
many thanks for the infos.

Do you have a scope and can measure somehow the frequency your
555 timer puts out ?

What transistor or MOSFET are you using to pulse the transformer ?
Do you use any freewheel diode in parallel with the transformer coil ?

 
Stays the bulb so bright all the time or does
the electrolyte cap at the output discharge fast ?
What is the uF ratingof the output cap and what voltage rating has it ?

What exactly is the DC voltage at the output cap, when the
light bulb is connected ?

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 04:04:10 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2007, 04:08:46 AM »
@Spewing
can you please make a longer video with it and
show us each part of the circuit and let the light bulb longer
connected, so we can see its function better ?
Many thanks in advance.

I wanted to do today already some new experiments,
but had to help a friend something, so when I get some
time tommorow I want to replicate this and the Dr.Stiffler
circuit.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2007, 04:32:59 AM »
i tried it with a new 9 volt battery with no success, the battery is to small and the transformer doesn't hum like it does with the bigger battery.

i don't know what this circuit is doing, thats why i posted it. allthough the battery is gone it still makes the transformer hum, and the battery cant light the light for some unodd reason, hook the circuit to the light and it will light brightly.

i dont know what it is doing, but it is something different.

i figured someone smarter than me would figure it out with spare parts laying around, anyone happen to have a 120 to 24 volt transformer and a way to drive it??

just a small discovery that could be bettered...

this is a possible overunity circuit, but i did not claim that, i will leave it up to you guys.

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2007, 04:37:38 AM »
Just Build It , there is enough info for everyone to get started on this simple circuit.
Thanks for sharing this little experiment "Spewing ..

Spewing

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 04:55:35 AM »
i dont want to cause you people to stop work on this circuit, but my measurements is below, i would like to add before you read them, there is something different even though math say different, why is it that the battery can not light this light and the circuit can???? the output of the circuit is DC, so the dead battery couldn't lite it but the circuit could!!!

now that you understand that something is different, i will post the outputs i made, this circuit is defantily worth looking into, and i stumbled upon this with a clunky 120 to 24 step down transformer, lord knows what the proper transformer and components would do.

here we go
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volts across the battery is 11.76 volts when the ac light is on, the amps draw from the battery is 2.11 amps


the output is 36.6 volts DC UNDER LIGHT LOAD and 200v DC under no load

the amp pulled by the light is .27DC

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 04:55:35 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2007, 05:15:30 AM »
i
the output is 36.6 volts DC UNDER LIGHT LOAD and 200v DC under no load

the amp pulled by the light is .27DC

Hi,
is this a typo ?
Did you mean 136.6 Volts under load ?

Otherwise just with 36.6 Volts the light would be not so bright....


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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2007, 05:19:51 AM »
This is a typical impedance converter.
The bulb will not burn on a 12 Volt battery directly, as the
filament resistance of the bulb is too high, so
it needs higher voltage to start burning, but lower current then.

It is some kind of resonance step charging for the output cap.

Would be good,if you could post the waveform.
Also the output cap would charge faster,
if you use a real brigde rectifier with 4 fast diodes !

Now please again post the voltage at the bulb load
and the current through it.

Was 36.6 Volts a typo ?

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2007, 05:19:51 AM »
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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2007, 05:36:09 AM »
no typo, my battery is dead, and everytime i use the battery it gets worse and worse, my test station is dieing on me:(

i did not get to test this with a hot battery:(

The light is Bright!

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2007, 06:15:58 AM »
Well, we need to see a scopeshot of theoutput waveform.
cause at 36.6Volts the bulb should not be this bright...
Probably it still has spikes in it, which the multimeter
does not register.

At which frequency do you drive this circuit ?

By the way, you should never discharge a lead acid accumulator
below 12.0 Volts, otherwise it is dying.
So never discharge it fully into the deep low voltage to still have a healthy
battery and recharge it, when it crosses the 12.0 Volt marking in open cell voltage,
cause it is then already 80 % discharged.(when I remember correctly)

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2007, 06:19:20 AM »

volts across the battery is 11.76 volts when the ac light is on, the amps draw from the battery is 2.11 amps


the output is 36.6 volts DC UNDER LIGHT LOAD and 200v DC under no load

the amp pulled by the light is .27DC

So you are pulling out of the battery about 25Watts,
but at the bulb only having 10 Watts ?

Looked much brighter the bulb than 10 Watts to me.

You need to measure this thing with a scope.

Can you loan a scope from a friend or visit a friend
who has one with your circuit and try again ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Spewing

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Re: Appears to be overunity Cicuit
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2007, 06:47:00 AM »
i have a old scope here that has been repaired, the only thing you will see from the scope is the waveform, would you like that?? and it is a 5mhz scope i was told.

 

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