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Author Topic: Running an internal combustion engine?  (Read 17210 times)

ZeroFossilFuel

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2007, 05:15:08 PM »
Check out this guy's numbers ans see if they make sense to you.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ZRZ_AAIdw
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ZeroFossilFuel

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2007, 06:07:36 PM »
A NEW FINDING! Increased the electrolyte concentration in the test cell to double the conductivity. Whereas last night I needed 75V@10A (750W) to fill 500mL in 45 seconds, today I tested 32V@9.6A (300W) filled 500mL in 60 Seconds! That's double the efficiency!

Conclusion: Increase in conductivity is directly inversely proportional to efficiency.

Hypothesis: Closer plate spacing will drastically increase efficiency by at least the square of the distance, maybe more.

More tests to follow.
ZFF
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buzneg

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2007, 07:16:07 PM »
I wonder if pumping water between the plates would increase efficiency enough to power the pump, and extra. With my experience it always seems better when closer, it seems the only thing that slows down production is the bubbles in the way.
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Super God

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2007, 11:06:26 PM »
I've got a disassembled lawn mower engine to bench test my HHO cell with.  As soon as it can run that efficiently, I'll move to a full car engine.  But in order to walk you must crawl first.  Taking apart a lawn mower engine can be quite fun :D
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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2007, 06:15:18 AM »
thats a great idea. I cant get rid of the 2nd spark on my 5 hp toro. big boom if you dont rid of that. maybe a cap in the plug wire would burn a spark each time? an auto wouldnt have that though, since its electronic distribution right? good luck. please post the sults.
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Draco Rylos

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2007, 07:46:25 AM »
When I watched a video on youtube one day, a video caught my eye. the name of the video is Sending RX7 to Rotary Hell. LOL Funny title, but it got me to thinking about trying to convert a Rotary engine to hydrogen. It may be easier, but it could also be more difficult because of the electronics that newer RX7s and RX8s have on them to precisely control fuel flow.
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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2007, 01:21:28 PM »
Hey, now that's an interesting idea. I used to own a '73 with the 12A motor, 4bbl carb. One plug fires before TDC, the other at TDC. You could probably drop the first one entirely. The only thing you couldn't do is replace the first plug with an injector. Unlike a 4-stroke that has an intake cycle, every time the rotor approaches the plugs it's in a compression cycle. Retreating from the plugs it's in a power cycle. There's no down time on the combustion side of the chamber. The rotor seals, side and apex, are made of carbon, or at least they were in '73 which may or may not hold up well to HHO.

Just my 2 cents.

ZFF
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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2007, 02:59:40 AM »
Yeah ZFF, there's no telling how well the seals and the apex seals may hold up using hydrogen fuel.
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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2007, 03:09:46 AM »
Does anyone know how accurate this is:

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/WarJ.html   (see Part 7)

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ZeroFossilFuel

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2007, 09:11:43 PM »
Quick pics of the new cell. Walls are 6" tall, grooves spaced 1/8", plates 0.035", gap 0.09".
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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2007, 10:14:55 PM »
Corn.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2007, 08:22:23 PM by Super God »
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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2007, 10:48:13 PM »
no it wont
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Super God

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2007, 11:06:13 PM »
:o

It appears I have been tricked!  Then do have to make ANY modifications to the engine?  Wow, this is good news for my wallet.
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IronHead

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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2007, 11:14:07 PM »
This is only true as long as there is no KOH entering your engine.You must condence KOH and return it to your Cell or water tank .

Check out High Performance water injection , people been doing it since the 50s
Water injection  helps stop detonation  when running Hi Perf  engines with  superchargers or turbochargers.
Also there is alot of water coming from gasoline in the burn process and from the atmosphere going into the intake .
How much water do you see coming out of a cars tailpipe . Alot most of the time.

I would do the SS valves though as they take heat better at the edge of the valve.
This is the only place you see some heat increases with 100% HHO  everything else runs nice and cool. Also remember there are no carbon buildups with HHO to hold heat and burn away underlying metals . And, the water from the HHO burn or combining process has no minerals in it. It is pure water and you will have no mineral deposits from HHO reaction in your engine.

Water the perfect fuel!
IronHead
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Re: Running an internal combustion engine?
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2007, 11:19:08 PM »
So, would you say it's safe to run an engine on just hho with ss valves?

Alot of people insist on making engine modification, but if it isn't neccessary then to hell with it.
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