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Author Topic: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?  (Read 372518 times)

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #435 on: July 11, 2007, 07:59:41 PM »
Jacob,  I don't think brnbrade understands what COP is.   I think the language problem is more severe then we imagine.   He could be using a translator service, like Babelfish, which I am using as well, but the translation is not alway understandable.    Also, have you seen the picture with the lightbulb, that I processed and expanded?   In the picture you can see the copper wire of the red wire of the 3 V battery pack.   It's not connected.   So I think he used his stereo for that, or a battery.  He was just experimenting, but we thought he was on to something extraordinary, or rather Bruce thought he was on to something extraordinary and started this thread. 

Otto,   spacing between the rods should matter, I think your absolutely correct.   With the right spacing it could tap the right frequency, or standing wave of a given WAVELENGTH.

I translated the brnbrade text for those of you who are lazy  :)

I posted all the necessary information here. It does not matter if it was glued with modeling clay or buble gum. The important point is that my device functioned.  It does not have any “private ingredient”. I only pierced the bubble. Aether is wonderful.  

Now, here's my comment.  He said it "functions"  and it does function, but what we understand by that can be different.   A battery hooked to a lightbulb functions.  A coil energized by current develops a magnetic field and attracts iron nails, so we can say it "functions".    Right now, we have not seen enough evidence to say that we have EXCESS ENERGY.   Sure we see 250 Volts on a meter, but that is just a meter sitting there, not doing any WORK.  Don't missunderstand me, I think it's currious that he gets the 250 Volts and that's why I built the coils for myself.  But I am now convinced its energy from the grid and when the output is loaded down with a bulb there is no power to that voltage.

EM
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #436 on: July 11, 2007, 08:48:21 PM »
EM,

Does he know the specifics of what COP, means....

maybe, maybe not.

But I am sure he meant something like "I am getting more out than in". That is all that matters.

Whether it is true by statement or measurement or not, is another story. And if he posts again, maybe we'll get "the rest of the story".

In the mean time, as I mentioned a few posts back already (not all understood it I guess), Let him be!

If he wants to post again, he will. If not, he won't. Simple as that.

But certainly, pestering him further is not going to bring him back.

Darren
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #437 on: July 11, 2007, 09:25:28 PM »
let's hope we are not pestering him, we just keep going with the thread.  If he wants to jump in, great, if not we'll do all the talking  :)

EM
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #438 on: July 11, 2007, 09:26:01 PM »
@Jacob

In that particular AC Trial, I don't think he was using sound to use the frequencies. I think he was using the sound output as a simple source for AC current, regardless of the frequency otherwise he would have said he is using a frequency generator at so and so frequency. Since he probably does not have a variable AC power source, sound output is the next best thing. On all his trials, he is using different configurations to obtain different results. This is to SHOW US that his working coils are polyvalent. Even if you have OU, I think for him it is not something to jump up in the air about, especially if he may know there is much more where that came from, and he doesn't want to get too tied up in the Cook coil design. Obviously we do not have all the answers. Jason, instead of insisting and insisting, try and look and see what you can realize and learn from what is already here and help us.

@all

My home internet line has been down since two days and should be up this afternoon as per my SP's promise (and me crossing my fingers). I can only get here via my office connection and I don't have all my software in the office computer as at home. Last night I made plans for my next build and should be posting them here tonight if the line is back up.

Brnbrade sent me a PM which I am putting here and hope that his PM was not destined for my eyes only. I doubt it. If it was, then I am sorry to Brnbrade for mentioning this.

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(The english was translated on an online translator)

Hi wattsup
 What I am making here is mini Vortex inside of the cook coils.
It can seem joke for some, but it is accurately what all are looking for
 here.
The way that voc?s is making is: to change magnetic field in transforming mobius.
The aluminum in my device has an important function. It is not only insulator of the dipositivo.
Science of the Vortex says, strong static element, annuls magnetic field and creates Vortex to driver.
Regards

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Hi wattsup
O que estou fazendo aqui ? mini vortex dentro dos rolos de cozinheiro.
Pode parecer piada para alguns, mas ? exatamente o que todos aqui est?o
procurando.
O modo que voc?s est?o fazendo ?: trocar campo magn?tico em transformadores mobius.
O al?minio no meu dispositivo tem uma fun??o importante. N?o ? somente isolador do dipositivo.
Ci?ncia do vortex diz, elemento est?tico forte, anula campo magn?tico e cria vortex driver.
Regards
UNQUOTE

Cook confirmed his device can be made in many ways, etc. But as with everything, you have to build and try and rebuild and try again to perfect the craft. Cook never indicated aluminium foil or tubes. I suspect this is coming from Brnbrade himself and he is using the shifting between the coils as a vortex. So this is more of a Brnbrade Coil. I will have to do some research into Vortex fields.

@Otto

You can see in the photos of Trial #1 to #5 that his coils are placed side by side. I have tried this and many other distances and do not see any difference. In fact when there is current flow there is no magnetic field apparent with my compass. When you simply pulse the Primary (big coil) you can see the compass rotating, but as my present Cook coil may possibly have some build hindrances, this cannot be known until I make another one and compare these results.
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #439 on: July 11, 2007, 09:36:56 PM »
@wattsup

Thanks for the posting. I believe Brnbrade has discovered some anomaly which he is trying to further experiment. No one in their right mind will spent this amount of time trying to hold up a deceit. Like Otto suggested, it may be structure orientation & spacing issue specific to these coils. I'll give him room and space and afford him some courtesy.

Regards
chrisC
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #440 on: July 11, 2007, 10:09:42 PM »
@ EMdevices

Quote
Brnbrade says:

Eu postei todas as informa??es necess?rias aqui.
N?o importa se foi colado com massa de modelar (Chiclete).
O importante ? que o meu dispositivo funcionou.
N?o tem nenhum "ingrediente secreto". Eu s? furei a bolha. O aether ? maravilhoso.

Translation:

I posted all the necessary informations here. It does not matter if it glued with modelling mass or bubble gum. The important point is that my device WORKS. It does not have any "secret ingredient". I only pierced the bubble. Aether is wonderful.

Note: "funcionou" or "funcionar" in portuguese means "works" or "perform".

@ wattsup

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Hi wattsup
O que estou fazendo aqui ? mini vortex dentro dos rolos de cozinheiro.
Pode parecer piada para alguns, mas ? exatamente o que todos aqui est?o
procurando.
O modo que voc?s est?o fazendo ?: trocar campo magn?tico em transformadores mobius.
O al?minio no meu dispositivo tem uma fun??o importante. N?o ? somente isolador do dipositivo.
Ci?ncia do vortex diz, elemento est?tico forte, anula campo magn?tico e cria vortex driver.Regards


Hi wattsup
What I have making here is mini Vortex inside of the cook coils.
It can seem joke for some, but it is exactly what all are looking for.
The way that you is making is: to change magnetic field in mobius transformer.
The aluminum in my device has an important function. It is not only devices insulator.
Vortex Science says, strong static element, cancel magnetic field and creates driver Vortex.
Regards

@All

I personally believe in Brnbrade. I think that his device works, but we dont to obligate Brnbrade disclose WHAT he discover. He have this rights. Think guys, think!

Regards,

Doug
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #441 on: July 11, 2007, 11:34:52 PM »
thanks Doug,  that would be a better translation.   So it "works"  that's great.  Let's hope that means  Over Unity   :)

I want to believe !!!    Ha  Ha  Ha  :)

EM
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #442 on: July 12, 2007, 12:15:24 AM »
Quote from: EMdevices on July 11, 2007, 11:34:52 PM
thanks Doug,  that would be a better translation.   So it "works"  that's great.  Let's hope that means  Over Unity

Hmmmm.... Maybe!

Regards

Doug
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #443 on: July 12, 2007, 12:44:39 AM »
Quote from: chrisC on July 11, 2007, 09:36:56 PM
@wattsup

Thanks for the posting. I believe Brnbrade has discovered some anomaly which he is trying to further experiment. No one in their right mind will spent this amount of time trying to hold up a deceit. Like Otto suggested, it may be structure orientation & spacing issue specific to these coils. I'll give him room and space and afford him some courtesy.

Regards
chrisC

@ Rich, EM, Darren, Wattsup

Thank you for your constructive comments. I had a change of heart.

@ ChrisC

You're right. Brnbrade has discovered some anomaly. And specific structure & spacing issues are important. Which is why I mentionned earlier that building such a device requires a lot of precision (which, by the way, I'm sure Brnbade is capable of).

And yes, let's give him room and space and afford him some courtesy. He will join in whenever he feels like it.

In the meantime however, experimentation must go on. So let's look at the facts...

The fact is that aluminium is an electrical conductor, but it is not magnetic. That is to say that it allow the concentration of electrical charges inside a magnetic field without interfering with its path like a magnetic substance would.

Now if we look at Brnbade coil's layer structure:

Core -> insulating -> aluminium -> insulating -> fine wire coil -> insulating -> aluminium -> insulating -> Thick wire -> insulating  

It's clear that we have 2, back to back, concentric capacitors here. And since these capacitors are incorporated into the coils, this is a great tank circuit to experiment with, because its capacitance and inductance elements are not only coupled externally, but also internally. Which mean that we have electric and magnetic fields in direct interaction  within the context of a resonant circuit.

But to take full advantage of the aluminium within the device, it must be connected electrically to the coils. It must be part of the circuit.

Already, initial tests have shown, without connecting the aluminium, that there is a steady voltage increase that builds up across the interconnected coils with only a magnet to start the process. Some have speculated that this is being picked up from the grid. Maybe... Then maybe not... The fact is that there is "something", and it comes from somewhere. Also, let's not forget that there was not much grid to tune into back in 1871, yet... So it would be best to be sure about where this "something" comes from.

But wherever the power comes from, the fact is this tank circuit oscillates for free. So if we tune this device to a frequency relevant to our purpose, we can achieve such purpose without the use of an external energy source.

So, even without the aluminium being connected, this circuit is already worthy of all our attention. Now, what happens when the aluminium is connected?

Regards,

Jacob
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #444 on: July 12, 2007, 03:52:08 AM »
you know what I was thinking.

we can also experiment with the other interconnections.

Basicaly, if we imagine the flux from one rod entering the other , and represent the polarity of each coil with "A"  , when it aides the flux, or with "B" when it does not.  we can have a number of possibilities for interconnecting.

A1 to B2,  B1 to A2
A1 to A2,  B1 to B2,
etc..

EM
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #445 on: July 12, 2007, 04:10:50 AM »
hey..its been a few days since i have experimented further.

my build did  charge up to .93 volts with just a stack of ceramic magnets being placed
around it at different places. It was strange in that some places i would put it it would start to drain
the volts and others would boost them. The distance between the coils did effect the speed of the charging.
it took 2 hours to build up .93 and it didn't budge from there. This was with an led connected.
it did not light though. I ended up shorting it out to see what would happen volts went down to zero and
started building again this time though no magnet was needed to start...guess it was a left over charge in the cap.
i do think the amperage was ultra low...as it didn't register on my meter.

I also tried driving the coils with a "line level " audio signal. I just used the positive from stereo channels into each coil.
i tried a bunch of different sources. It did not create any dc volts but i do think it made 100 volts ac.
i say think because i wasn't really sure how to read my meter  :-[  had it set to 200v and it read 10.3
the volts jumped up high when i would pan the signal off center which was interesting. (sending more signal into one coil then the other)

anyway just an update...
i have caught the dreaded over-unity bug.
(haha i just ordered magnets to try my hand at the orbo using halbach arrays)

i hope to move up to TPU construction...

if anyone likes good electronica check out my site
got a bunch of mixes up there all current stuff.
http://www.nutekklabs.com



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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #446 on: July 12, 2007, 05:00:55 AM »
@nutekk
instead of a voltmeter you could try to put a milliampmeter
across the output and see, if you will get any amperage at all ?

Did you use digital meters ?
With digital meters and scopes you must be sure,
that not leaking currents from the input pins charge up
your capacitors..
This happened to me several times, when I throught I have a strange
charging effect it was indeed my grounded scope, which charged up
some caps in some other experiments...

So please test this out.

0.93 Volts could be exactly the voltage from your battery in
your meter...
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #447 on: July 12, 2007, 05:21:38 AM »
yes it is a cheapo digital meter..however it does have a 12 volt battery in it.
so strange it stopped @ .93 volts.
it also has a milliamp setting on it...it wouldn't register @ any setting.

i did find it strange with the line level audio input creating  some AC.
or is that "normal" ?

you may be right about the leakage.
tomorrow i will set it back up and try again..
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #448 on: July 12, 2007, 05:27:08 AM »
Do you mean 1.2 Volt battery or 12 Volt battery ?
12 Volt is a bit  high for a cheap digital meter...hmm..what type is it ?

Do you have caps in the circuit ? if yes, then it is probably the leakage
current of your meter, which charged them up.


As you don?t have any milliamps output from the DC level
there is no real power in there,only from the leakage of your
meter which comes from its battery.



The AC level with your amp is no wonder, cause this Cook coil setup can work
as a transformer. so you just transformed the AC up in voltage level.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #449 on: July 12, 2007, 05:35:34 AM »
yes its a 12 volt battery.
its a radio shack meter

yes i had a cap in the circuit.
yes no real power...

but strange when wired the normal mobius way no creeping voltage.
only when wired the way wattsup described did i see the increase.

i actually have it hooked up right now,
getting zip out of it currently
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