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Author Topic: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?  (Read 359150 times)

Offline joe dirt

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #510 on: August 09, 2007, 09:46:32 PM »
Hey Wattsup,   I,m glad the alu paint came through for you,  looks nice, hoping this
  will show some interesting effects after all is complete :)

thanks for the info
Dirt

Offline wattsup

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #511 on: August 13, 2007, 04:12:22 PM »
Some have asked me about my build v1.0 on the secondary length.

The secondary is 29 awg wire 9 inches long and it take 6 turns to cover 1/16". Each turn is very close to 2" long.

So 9 x 16 x 6 = 864 turns
864 x 2" = 1728" or 144 feet

On the build v2.0 I have left the alu-varnish to dry for over 4 days now so it is now a very hard surface. Tonight I will wind the secondary coils, take some pictures, check there is no short circuit, then proceed to apply more alu-varnish. It's a long process but it gives me time to work on my VAR project.

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Re: Modified Cook Coil?
« Reply #512 on: August 17, 2007, 01:18:18 AM »
@all

For those interested, I had to wait for more mag wire as I had calculated I would not have enough. So I just received some more and will be winding the first coils tomorrow and proceeding with the alu-varnish. I'll take photos of each step.

Also, I have now removed Brnbrades name from the title since he has not been back here to answer a few questions, plus his 2-3 weeks is now twice over. So I figure he is trying to forget this thread ever happened. I will still finish the build v2.0 and do the trials. We'll see what happens.

Also I have been talking with a few other people off the board who have their own builds so this will still be a good point of reference for them.





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Re: Modified Cook Coil?
« Reply #513 on: August 22, 2007, 12:11:18 AM »
@all

So here's a photo of my CBC Build 2.0 secondary coil wind.

With the alu-varnish replacing electrical tape, the wind in much smoother. The circumference is 1 3/4" whereas the build #1 was 2".

Turns per seconadry - 828
Coil length 8 5/8"
Wire Length - 120 feet
Wire - 29 awg

I will start varnishing both of the coils tonight and let them dry for 2 days before the second alu-foil and varnish is applied.

Yes it's a long build.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2007, 03:55:51 AM by wattsup »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #514 on: August 22, 2007, 12:39:29 AM »
Lookin' good so far! can't wait to hear and possibly see what it does!

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #515 on: August 22, 2007, 03:42:24 AM »
@all

OK here's a photo of the secondary after alu-varnish. Now I'll let it dry for 2 days and maybe apply another coat.

@Brnbrade

Just one question.

Does the second layer of alu-foil cover the primary completly?



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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #516 on: August 26, 2007, 08:49:10 PM »
Well, as this build continues here are some more photos.

Photo #1 is a shot of the 2nd alu foil rolled.
Photo #2 is a close-up
Photo #3 is a shot of the alu foil cut on each end.
Photo #4 is a close-up
Photo #5 is a close-up of both rods after alu-varnishing

So we leave this dry for a few days and start the primary wind.
Almost done.

Offline Mike Furness

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #517 on: September 02, 2007, 09:25:38 PM »
As I have just been directed  here from another group, there's much more unknown than known!  I am also an electronics engineer, and a transformer designer!

Many things shout LOUDLY about this design!   

Turns ratio, wire guage, even what sort of wire?

Am I to assume that it's standard shellac or solderease winding wire in copper?  insulation in this is 2,000 volts continuous rated! so, why add more?

Aluminium Tube?????

What frequency do you expect it to work at?  Your Iron nails will have huge losses at only a few hundred cycles, and the aluminium tube, even less!

IF this WORKS, and I hope it does, then the dimensions of ALL, and Tube wall thickness will be absolutely critical!   By conventional theory, this has no chance whatsoever of working! 

Screening of wires is usually done for ferrite cores, 50KHZ plus, with substantial power throughput, (hundreds of watts) 

I would like to end this post, relating to something on a similar (rotating) line that I was SOLD by a man we all now consider a charlatan, there are about the same number of variables in this design, as mine, (approx.11)  and that means that the number of different ways to wind, wire guage, core, and aluminium tubing, and frequency, is factorial 11,(more than the lottery chances in UK of 17 million to one) After a month, I gave up on my device; Moral to this story is that nothing will be reproduceable, except by pure chance, unless EXACT materials, engineering drawings, and tolerances are published.

Mike.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #518 on: September 03, 2007, 12:52:09 AM »
@MikeFurness

First of all thanks for your comments and please don't be a stranger. Some guys here on this thread would need your input on some coil designs, etc. I'm curious about the test you have done and on which device. Who's the chartlitan?

I understand and agree with you completely in terms of the many variables. That is why I put up my build specs as clearly as possible.

But the original guy that put up his design called "Brnbrade" has not given any more precise specs on his build. Needles to say I and others have asked him many times for some precisions but no go.

So my third build is using alu-varnish instead of electrical tape as in my two previous builds.

I am about to wind my primary since the aluminium varnish is now very solid.

We'll see. 3 down and 16,999,996 to go.

If every you come back, try and take a look at the ECD thread and how that device has three coils on a mobius. If there anything you can point out in terms of best voltages, frequencies, etc. I am thinking of pulsing 100K vdc at milliamperes.
Here is my ECD build spec but you may need to read some of the thread to get an idea.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg37956.html#msg37956

Lastly, if you are knowledgable in transformers, maybe start your own thread and talk about transformers and their applications in "potential" overunity devices. Traps to avoid. Also, how you see back emf and how it can be controlled or captured for re-use. We need all the help we can get here.

Kind regards,

wattsup

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #519 on: September 23, 2007, 07:55:33 PM »
@All

OK, here it is, the CBC-V2.0. I will eventually put up the revised build spec on this one.

I finally decided to keep the whole thing untapped. This way I can try different primary coil lengths by just rolling them on a separate rod and then simply slipping them onto the core.

The present Primary has 35 turns. The secondaries in this picture are connected in the cross mode.

Thus far, nothing special to report. Same old same old.

I am still looking for ceramic caps that have low voltage, high mf but have not succeeded to find them yet.

Will be trying all the trial configurations #1 to #5 to see if anything gives.

This is a pretty long build in itself plus my lack of time by doing so many other things, plus the obvious lack of any type of response by Brnbrade sort of put this project on the low end of my priority list.

Anyways, I will see with time if there is anything to this or if Brnbrade was just pulling our leg by simply adjusting his meter calibration set screw to a higher level when he took his pictures.

You know what, nothing would f*&kin surprise me anymore. It seems like ever Joe Blow that comes on the forum with something new to show always has some strings attached. No one is transparent. They always have something to hide or some f&?ckin idiosyncrasies that hold them back from talking openly.

Sorry about the rant but I am so tired of all this bullshit. Seems like the only real teamwork happening here is when everybody goes out to lunch.


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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #520 on: September 24, 2007, 03:00:07 AM »
Hello Wattsup,

@All

OK, here it is, the CBC-V2.0. I will eventually put up the revised build spec on this one.

I finally decided to keep the whole thing untapped. This way I can try different primary coil lengths by just rolling them on a separate rod and then simply slipping them onto the core.

The present Primary has 35 turns. The secondaries in this picture are connected in the cross mode.

Thus far, nothing special to report. Same old same old...


Are you saying that you are witnessing the same behaviour you  witnessed with your first built, and can you please describe this behaviour.

Thanks.

Jacob


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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #521 on: September 24, 2007, 03:01:25 PM »
@jacob

Give me a few more days to do some varied testing under different Trial numbers, but so far nothing special.

Looking at Brnbrades' CBC, I noticed that the elevation between the secondary wind and the primary wind is more accentuated than mine, and cannot be explained by his taped exterior. Is it possible that his primary was two layers and he did not mention this. Or is it possible that the primary is wound like a two layer mobius. 

Something like what EM put up on the Inside Coil thread linked below but not in the knotted fashion shown in his diagram. Or it might have been in Ottos threads.;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3279.msg49393.html#msg49393

Also, if you look at Brnbrades core diameter and then the secondary diameter winding, the difference is also more accentuated then my current builds. Using the alu-varnish really cut down on the diameter of the total CBC considerably, so maybe he is using a dual winding secondary also.

Last thing is I will remove the alu varnish that is still coating the end of each of my coils. Maybe this is also an important aspect of releasing a magnetic field via each end.

Anyways, further testing is required for sure.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #522 on: September 25, 2007, 10:18:43 PM »
I mentioned a slit. I believe someones else did also.

Mine was with the thought this may be an oscillator form of magnetic amplifier. The opposing slits on different layers of aluminum with a coil between would function this way. It did when an active device was driving it (transitor). It even created some alternate bucking and boosting when DC was fed in one end and a 100W 120VAC lamp on the other end.

The results were interesting but far from self-running. The only thing that seemed unique was the coils were sensitive to local magnetic fields. When my bench fan was running I had a hard time getting any activity. When the fan was off - DC into one end with the lamp load - I got a definite 7.5kHz pulse. The DC component matched the power supply output. The pulses were nearly square wave, uniform with an amplitude of 63VDC.

So all I proved was it could work as a bucking magnetic amplifier/oscillator without an active device. I quit when the load current exceeded my puny wires and shorted them.

Since I couldn't get Al varnish I tried encapsulating the inner winding with AL. This was done by wrapping the foil onto the rod - then copper winding (with uninsulated aluminum wire between each turn and a coil unto itself but unterminated). This AL wire was shorted to the lower and covering AL layer. So basically the copper winding was encapsulated with AL along it entire length.

By running current through the AL from one end to the other and then reversing the polarity I could control the current flow through the copper winding. Fun but no use found yet.





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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #523 on: September 27, 2007, 02:02:14 PM »
Hi all...just thought i'd post this as Bep mentioned it...
This is the original diagram that Cook used for his patent. He just added another one.  ;)
It comes from a magnetizm manual from 1857, so they were using some form of covering for the wires back then.
Scotty

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #524 on: September 27, 2007, 04:31:50 PM »
@scotty1

Where did you find this? On the net? If yes, where please.