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Feynman · « **Reply #1335 on:** March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM »

@Ergo

The fact that people are frying oscilloscopes, observing cooling in coils, etc from 20-40V pulsed DC power input suggests to me that (in some of these devices) there is probably radiant energy input from the active vacuum. I am especially interested because these strange effects are occurring during "sharp gradients," which are known in physics journals to be violations of the second law of thermodynamics. (which only applies to equilibrium systems anyway). In any case, Radiant energy can contain both positive and negative components. The negative component is responsible for system cooling, antigravity (mass reduction) effects, and so on. Anytime you have impedance you have the potential for energy from the active environment to enter the system (be it positive or negative vacuum energy). These are the same principles as "back EMF" which powers the Bedini systems. . . Same stuff, different names.

Now, that said, I share your feelings that there have been no systematic experiments. What really needs to be done is full documentation and posting of lab notes, components, etc. I can think of a few experiments.

Experiment 1:
Compare sine wave to square wave... A) see if resonant frequency of TPU changes. B) See if power output is effected.

Experiment 2:
Systematically measure resonant frequencies using a photovoltaic cell pointed at the output lamp. Then it's not "does it look brightest" , but rather a physical quantity which can be measured. A) Measure the voltage potential on the output coil at different resonant frequencies. B) Measure the photovoltaic output potential with various combinations of the strongest resonant waves

Experiment 3:
Try different coils (trifilar , bifilar, etc). Do these effect the power output?

Experiment 4:
Vary the sharpness of the gradiant (in a square wave oscillator). Does this effect the power output? (SCOPE TRACES PLZ)

Experiment 5:
In the coils which seem to have a rotating magnetic scalar potential , put compasses around the coil periphery to measure the change in B-field at any given point in space-time during an interval of TPU operation. Can we see rotating B potential? What frequency is it rotating at? If none exists or is observable, why is this so?

In any case, to get sustained over-unity in these TPU devices, I can almost guarentee it will need to use switching circuitry to capture negative energy to charge capacitors or batteries to power a conventional load. Hitting the right resonance of the local vacuum might only be good for burning out equipment unless there are some bright ideas regarding "energy routing", so to speak. This will require timing circuitry...

Another way I can see to get sustained over-unity in TPU is if there exists a rotating instantaneous magnetic scalar potential. This has been speculated upon during this thread. If the rotating magnetic potential can be controlled via input oscillator dynamics, and is generated by E-amp effects from the active vacuum, then you may have a COP>1 system ready to be harvested. So think of this as a rotating concentrated magnetic potential (a "superpole" perhaps) on the coil . If this is happening , then you could mechanically couple the potential to convert it back to positive EM energy, through an old fashioned generator shaft. Now, it will only be COP>1 if the vacuum input is helping create a strong rotating B potential. This speculation may be clarified through Experiment 5.

I'm sure there's more ways than outlined above. Just keep thinking outside the lies which pass for official wisdom.

Ergo · « **Reply #1336 on:** March 07, 2008, 09:04:37 AM »

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

@Ergo

The fact that people are frying oscilloscopes, observing cooling in coils, etc from 20-40V pulsed DC power input suggests to me that (in some of these devices) there is probably radiant energy input from the active vacuum. I am especially interested because these strange effects are occurring during "sharp gradients," which are known in physics journals to be violations of the second law of thermodynamics. (which only applies to equilibrium systems anyway). In any case, Radiant energy can contain both positive and negative components. The negative component is responsible for system cooling, antigravity (mass reduction) effects, and so on. Anytime you have impedance you have the potential for energy from the active environment to enter the system (be it positive or negative vacuum energy). These are the same principles as "back EMF" which powers the Bedini systems. . . Same stuff, different names.

Now, that said, I share your feelings that there have been no systematic experiments. What really needs to be done is full documentation and posting of lab notes, components, etc. I can think of a few experiments.

Perhaps there is a path to free energy but I'll bet anything that a TPU is not one of those roads.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

Experiment 1:
Compare sine wave to square wave... A) see if resonant frequency of TPU changes. B) See if power output is effected.

The difference is between a sine and square wave is the harmonic content. The sharper flank the higher harmonic content.
But it's still just voltage, not magic.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

Experiment 2:
Systematically measure resonant frequencies using a photovoltaic cell pointed at the output lamp. Then it's not "does it look brightest" , but rather a physical quantity which can be measured. A) Measure the voltage potential on the output coil at different resonant frequencies. B) Measure the photovoltaic output potential with various combinations of the strongest resonant waves

There are many ways to measure an output. If the output is difficult, like high frequency waves, then controlled heating in a non inductive resistor is the prefered methode.
The temperature shall then be compared to a DC voltage resistor of the same size and type where the input power can be established by high accuracy.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

Experiment 3:
Try different coils (trifilar , bifilar, etc). Do these effect the power output?

No, it won't. The benefit of bifilar/trifilar winding is the posibility to increase or decrease inductance depending on how the coil is wound.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

Experiment 4:
Vary the sharpness of the gradiant (in a square wave oscillator). Does this effect the power output? (SCOPE TRACES PLZ)

Knock yourself out.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

Experiment 5:
In the coils which seem to have a rotating magnetic scalar potential , put compasses around the coil periphery to measure the change in B-field at any given point in space-time during an interval of TPU operation. Can we see rotating B potential? What frequency is it rotating at? If none exists or is observable, why is this so?

There is no existing rotating magnetic field. This is not possible in a "Toroid" or any other magnetic or non magnetic core.
No matter how you induce the field into the core it will immediately be present all over through the whole core or the wires.
There is no way of having a field "rotate" like people imagine. This rumor is coming from the crap reports of Mark Goldes.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

In any case, to get sustained over-unity in these TPU devices, I can almost guarentee it will need to use switching circuitry to capture negative energy to charge capacitors or batteries to power a conventional load. Hitting the right resonance of the local vacuum might only be good for burning out equipment unless there are some bright ideas regarding "energy routing", so to speak. This will require timing circuitry...

There will be no overunity from any captured "negative" energy. Your'e talking about inductive kickback. This is not overunity.
Inductive kickback is a well understood behavior of coils. There's no magic happening. What you put in is what you get back in reverse (minus the losses).

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

Another way I can see to get sustained over-unity in TPU is if there exists a rotating instantaneous magnetic scalar potential. This has been speculated upon during this thread. If the rotating magnetic potential can be controlled via input oscillator dynamics, and is generated by E-amp effects from the active vacuum, then you may have a COP>1 system ready to be harvested. So think of this as a rotating concentrated magnetic potential (a "superpole" perhaps) on the coil . If this is happening , then you could mechanically couple the potential to convert it back to positive EM energy, through an old fashioned generator shaft. Now, it will only be COP>1 if the vacuum input is helping create a strong rotating B potential. This speculation may be clarified through Experiment 5.

Sorry, but this will never happen.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM

I'm sure there's more ways than outlined above. Just keep thinking outside the lies which pass for official wisdom.

Yes, it's good to have ideas. And it's even better to try them out. Any of you wanting to continue the holy graal "TPU" hunt, please continue.
I have noticed during my time here at OU forum that the ones seeking the imposible usually have no or little knowlege on how electronics or physics work."
But this is OK with me. Continue to invent and meanwhile you learn whats already been known for long. At the end you'll end up being wiser.

otto · « **Reply #1337 on:** March 07, 2008, 09:45:29 AM »

Hello all,

I didnt know that my magnets are not working. So, people, Im sorry that I posted a long time ago that my magnet is ROTATING inside my TPU.

I must be somehow..... Now I have to see if my magnet(s) have a S and N pole. But I tried to see this rotation with various magnets. They ALL rotated. At a low frequency, of course. Hmmmm.....something MUST be wrong with my eyes.

Otto

Ergo · « **Reply #1338 on:** March 07, 2008, 11:28:40 AM »

Quote from: Chef on March 07, 2008, 10:34:20 AM

Ergo

Just one question: What are you doing here?

I'm just telling you how coils work so you can avoid repeating the same mistakes over and over....

Quote from: Chef on March 07, 2008, 10:34:20 AM

Trust me, you cant assure nobody here, and as i see nobody can assure you. So, wtf are you doing here?

You don't seem to handle the truth.... To bad for you.
If you instead focused on learning about the physics of coils and electronics we wouldn't have this discussion.

Feynman · « **Reply #1339 on:** March 07, 2008, 05:00:05 PM »

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Perhaps there is a path to free energy but I'll bet anything that a TPU is not one of those roads.

There is already free energy, it's been discovered over and over and over. Bedini's motors are consistent COP>1 systems. Also See the patent on the Peacekeeper missile. There is an overunity switching circuit in there that the engineers had to "fix" to be closed to environmental input. The examples are too numerous to mention. The phenomenon is real. The question is whether TPU is a path to a solid state system with dynamics which can be modelled and controlled. It doesn't matter if it's an exact copy of the original TPU, as long as we are interacting with the local active vacuum.

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The difference is between a sine and square wave is the harmonic content. The sharper flank the higher harmonic content.
But it's still just voltage, not magic.

I don't understand this part. . . you seem to be ignoring the steepness of the gradient (dV/dT). Sharp gradients are already known to violate the second law of thermodynamics. A square wave has a sharper gradient than a sine wave.

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There is no existing rotating magnetic field.

How do you know? Magnets continuously output B field which is created by vacuum virtual particle flux prior to interaction with mass. The dynamic flux requires no work because of the asymmetrical regauging of QED. It's a dynamic, not static process, although our equipment gives us the illusion of static magentic flux. So why can't you make a magnetic potential rotate? Remember there is no such thing as electrodynamics in 3-space. All phenomenon must consider system through time (in both forward and reverse time directions). Maybe there is a good reason rotating magnetic potential cannot happen. But it's important to keep an open mind. Conventional electrodynamics is 150 years old, and assumes flat local spacetime. We know this is not the case (since 1916 with general relativity). Any scalar potential curves local spacetime. I don't see why you cannot have concentrated magnetic potential through 4-space.

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There will be no overunity from any captured "negative" energy. Your'e talking about inductive kickback. This is not overunity. Inductive kickback is a well understood behavior of coils. There's no magic happening. What you put in is what you get back in reverse (minus the losses).

I am not talking about inductive kickback or any of the other mind poison you will find in college electrical engineering. I am talking about E-amp effects from the local active vacuum. What you get back is COP = infinity, providing you switch the negative energy into a sink which converts it back to conventional positive EM energy. Generally this is a dipole like a capacitor or a battery. It's all about the switching. You are still talking about conventional electrodynamics such as the Lorentz regauged Maxwell-Heaviside equations you find in college textbooks. That's not what I'm talking about! I'm talking about the ORIGINAL Maxwell electrodynamics (permitting COP>1) coupled with general relativity and Dirac's negative energy and 'electron holes'. Are you familiar with Bedini's COP > 1 systems ? If you are not, it might be good to examine their operation. They are free energy, and anyone can build them.

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Sorry, but this will never happen.

Maybe not, but how to we know anything without experiments?

sparks · « **Reply #1340 on:** March 07, 2008, 06:24:52 PM »

@Ergo

First off thanks for the inspiration we all need a kick in the ass sometimes. Keep it coming. Try this one on for size. Say that by the same mechanism that creates a hurricane we create a hurricane on a relativistic level. The energy of a hurricane comes from the low pressure area created by a vertical column of air which is driven by the temperature difference between the cold upper atmosphere and the warm ocean. This is not a huge gradient, just a few degrees per vertical meter. The atoms of the atmosphere start to migrate towards this field gradient. Of course this is an example of inertial change in a spinning inertial frame of reference, so the Coriolis force raises it's mighty head. (Frame dragging and you don't even need black hole gravity to do it.) The air molecule currents apparently veer off lets say to the right in reference to the equator. So now there is a spin component to the currents trying to fill in the hole. The spin around the low pressure area stores the energy of the low pressure gradient flow instead of just filling the hole. This spin also protects the low pressure area in a sense so it can keep building in power. TPU same thing but replace atom with electron- pressure with charge. Hot to cold gradient with external circuit draw.

Ergo · « **Reply #1341 on:** March 07, 2008, 07:42:44 PM »

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 05:00:05 PM

Are you familiar with Bedini's COP > 1 systems ? If you are not, it might be good to examine their operation.
They are free energy, and anyone can build them.

OK, you show me one single Bedini motor being overunity confimed beyond doubt.
Some real proof this time. Not your own beliefs or hear saying. I talk about rock solid proof....

Well, there is none. Do you know why?
Simply because no Bedini motors is overunity.
There have been many replications but none have been successful.

Ergo · « **Reply #1342 on:** March 07, 2008, 07:53:43 PM »

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 05:00:05 PM

I don't understand this part. . . you seem to be ignoring the steepness of the gradient (dV/dT). Sharp gradients are already known to violate the second law of thermodynamics. A square wave has a sharper gradient than a sine wave.

No, you don't understand me. The harmonic content is an expression on how sharp the square is compared to a sine wave.
Usually when comparing AC voltages, the regular square have a harmonic content ten times the sine wave.

But it still doesn't matter whether you use sine waves or square waves, it's still just voltage and current.
There is no magic going on when feeding square waves to a coil.
But I can understand people believing in this because it looks "mysterious".

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 05:00:05 PM

Sharp gradients are already known to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

Here we go again. You show me one single proof on sharp gradients violating any thermodynamics law.
Hey, c'mon. Give a link to a real study in this matter that prove what you say.
Well, you can't because there is no such study. It would be a waste of time because there is nothing going on.

Ergo · « **Reply #1343 on:** March 07, 2008, 08:12:41 PM »

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 05:00:05 PM

So why can't you make a magnetic potential rotate?

Yes, you can, if you use a mechanical force, like in a motor.
Apply the flux from rotating physical magnets on a shaft.

But if you apply current to your static wiring, the magnetic field will immediately
surround the wires and also be conducted throung the core if you chose to have one.
You cannot have it to rotate, it's being static in the same place as the wiring is wound.
Even if you have multiple coils wired onto the core, it's still static in each wiring.
It doesn't move. It couldn't move unless you could make the wiring jump around by itself.
Don't come and talk about frequencies and other pseudo scientific explanations.
Any waveform is immediately present when applied, there is no delay, no rotation.
It doesn't matter what you try. It will be static as long as the wiring is static.

There you have it. No rotating field is possible in a static coil or transformer.
If you still claim rotating fields is possible in a static unit (TPU) then you don't have a clue what you talking about.

Feynman · « **Reply #1344 on:** March 07, 2008, 08:47:56 PM »

Ergo: I appreciate your thoughts since you appear to be highly educated in conventional EM theory. . . but I feel like you are ignoring certain experimental facts, as well as the implications of quantum electrodynamics (broken symmetry, assymetrical reguaging, etc). There are have been many replications of Bedini motors with overunity using a two battery system.

Here is your reference :

As stated, strong gradients are an area already known and recognized to violate the second law of thermodynamics, and not much is known about them, either theoretically or experimentally. For confirmation, see Dilip Kondepudi and Illya Prigogine, Modern Thermodynamics: From Heat Engines to Dissipative Structures, Wiley, Revised and Corrected, 1999, p. 459.

zerotensor · « **Reply #1345 on:** March 07, 2008, 08:57:32 PM »

@ergo said:

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It doesn't move. It couldn't move unless you could make the wiring jump around by itself.

If a coil is made from a ferromagnetic material, then it can indeed jump around "by itself" when bathed in a magnetic field, and when currents oscillate.

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the magnetic field will immediately surround the wires and also be conducted throung the core if you chose to have one.

If the ferromagnetic core is also a loop of conducting wire, then we can create a curious situation wherein the magnetic flux and the electric flux are in parallel within the same material. Also, the magnetization within the core material is neither linear nor instantaneous. There is a hysteresis curve with a time dependence. Folklore indicates that the TPU core vibrates and heats up, which is consistent with the notion that the wire itself is being driven mechanically. Also, the hysteresis of the material would no doubt be subjected to some sort of wacky modulation.

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Any waveform is immediately present when applied, there is no delay, no rotation.
It doesn't matter what you try. It will be static as long as the wiring is static.

There is delay. The maximum speed of electromagnetic interaction is the speed of light in vacuum, and is slower inside any dielectric. When pulsing long lengths of wire with voltage, the speed of light within the material is significant. The material properties of the wire (magnetization, velocity) are dynamic, not static.

Drossen · « **Reply #1346 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:09:24 PM »

@Ergo

Here is an excerpt from wikipedia relating to rotating magnetic fields:

"A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems."

When the coils in an electric motor are pulsed in a certain sequence, a rotating magnetic field is created. The TPU has control coils that are arranged in a similar fashion to that of an electric motor. When these control coils are pulsed in the right order, a rotating magnetic field is generated.

You may argue that the coils are being rotated, but there are electric motors where the coils are stationary (static) and the permanent magnets are on the rotor. The magnets cause the rotor to turn as they follow the rotating magnetic field generated by the coils. Your statement about rotating magnetic fields in a static coil just proves how ignorant you are. You should do more research before you post your opinions as facts.

Drossen

Ergo · « **Reply #1347 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:33:42 PM »

I'm not ignorant. I'm still right. I told you the fields could not rotate in a static unit.
And they wont. This has nothing to do with three phase AC current.
The magnetic field will stay exactly where the winding is put, no matter how many phases you use.
It's not moving. Each phase applied will create its own field and each of these fields is stationary.
There is simply no movement. Ones a field is applied it is immediately present and it stays put until shut down.

In an electric motor, either the windings or the magnets will move, depending on the design topology.
The use of several phases in a motor is just to lower cogging and increase efficiency but it's not a necessity.

Quote from: Drossen on March 07, 2008, 10:09:24 PM

@Ergo

Here is an excerpt from wikipedia relating to rotating magnetic fields:

"A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems."

When the coils in an electric motor are pulsed in a certain sequence, a rotating magnetic field is created. The TPU has control coils that are arranged in a similar fashion to that of an electric motor. When these control coils are pulsed in the right order, a rotating magnetic field is generated.

You may argue that the coils are being rotated, but there are electric motors where the coils are stationary (static) and the permanent magnets are on the rotor. The magnets cause the rotor to turn as they follow the rotating magnetic field generated by the coils. Your statement about rotating magnetic fields in a static coil just proves how ignorant you are. You should do more research before you post your opinions as facts.

Drossen

Ergo · « **Reply #1348 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:35:04 PM »

Nothing you said made any sense....

Quote from: zerotensor on March 07, 2008, 08:57:32 PM

@ergo said:
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It doesn't move. It couldn't move unless you could make the wiring jump around by itself.
If a coil is made from a ferromagnetic material, then it can indeed jump around "by itself" when bathed in a magnetic field, and when currents oscillate.
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the magnetic field will immediately surround the wires and also be conducted throung the core if you chose to have one.
If the ferromagnetic core is also a loop of conducting wire, then we can create a curious situation wherein the magnetic flux and the electric flux are in parallel within the same material. Also, the magnetization within the core material is neither linear nor instantaneous. There is a hysteresis curve with a time dependence. Folklore indicates that the TPU core vibrates and heats up, which is consistent with the notion that the wire itself is being driven mechanically. Also, the hysteresis of the material would no doubt be subjected to some sort of wacky modulation.
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Any waveform is immediately present when applied, there is no delay, no rotation.
It doesn't matter what you try. It will be static as long as the wiring is static.
There is delay. The maximum speed of electromagnetic interaction is the speed of light in vacuum, and is slower inside any dielectric. When pulsing long lengths of wire with voltage, the speed of light within the material is significant. The material properties of the wire (magnetization, velocity) are dynamic, not static.

Ergo · « **Reply #1349 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:43:54 PM »

Sorry but this is not proof.
You show me a working Bedini motor. One that is 100% confirmed overunity by more than just one guy.
If you can do this I will reconsider the Bedini concept. Otherwise I stand to my point.

Regarding the confimation stuff, you'd better give me a straight link to the violation of the thermodynamics laws.
I don't have the patience or time look through this stuff right now. It's a very fuzzy reference.

Quote from: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 08:47:56 PM

Ergo: I appreciate your thoughts since you appear to be highly educated in conventional EM theory. . . but I feel like you are ignoring certain experimental facts, as well as the implications of quantum electrodynamics (broken symmetry, assymetrical reguaging, etc). There are have been many replications of Bedini motors with overunity using a two battery system.

Here is your reference :

As stated, strong gradients are an area already known and recognized to violate the second law of thermodynamics, and not much is known about them, either theoretically or experimentally. For confirmation, see Dilip Kondepudi and Illya Prigogine, Modern Thermodynamics: From Heat Engines to Dissipative Structures, Wiley, Revised and Corrected, 1999, p. 459.

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