so what are the replication people using for frequency generators to drive the mosfets? if they are home brew what might the schematics be?
I have also been looking and there is not anything I can see as far as what the first, second and third frequencies are that are being used on the units that have been working.

Thanks

Otto,

Thanks for the excellent work on the ECD, I have reread your paper many times since last June when things started to happen in your device replications. I noticed you guys were quoting the magnetism site in both the magclash document and your TPU_ECD-V1 document. I was honored to share in this opened process as keeper and assembler of the site information, and our research at c_s_s_p.

I noticed that things started to show OU exactly when the NMR traces started to cancel between the inner mobius loops. This may be key to understanding the interaction. As the NMR traces stop surfacing from the electron shell the reverse induction dissapears, and with it copper losses from induction. Electron shells are liberated to flow freely, as a mass spin starts to manifest in the copper of the collectors. The interaction stopping the nuclear rotations are of a torsional nature and now we move into a different kind of manipulation, that of the torsion fields probably working between the loops.

NMR rotation and input power:
From the study of NMR technology, one comes to realize a square wave with 50 percent duty cycle is not needed, but only a 1/4 peroid pulse is enough. I would suggest you try a shorter input pulse to limit the heat in the input coils, this may be enough and lower input energy by at least half. Use a 25 percent on time 75 percent off time, and the pulses may still have the desired effect. Even a 1/8 ratio may work as spikes should still be present with now only 1/8 the heat on the input coils. Don't know for sure.


Bismuth
The key elements of manipulating torsion fields is of corse Alumiunum, Copper, and Bismuth, Bismuth having the highest resistance to electric flow. I would recommend you at least try a bismuth slug or coil to see if this can be of use, the reason is that it may not heat up like the Aluminum heat sinks do but its tempic field effects are several orders of magnitude stronger for the nuclear effects. That is bismuth used may be able to stablize the nucleus of the copper collectors without heating up, or alter there angle and control coupling. It may also be able to shield between the collector levels and either increase the coupling or decrease it, if wound with a scalar cancelling coil, the coil is shorted to manipulate the tempic field. [As a control for the flow of torsion between the layers]

Platonic geometry:
I wanted to also share a new insight on frequency, if you have time to read the material, it may open a new comprehension as it did with myself. As we are usually talking rotating spherical fields.

http://www.timstouse.com/EarthChanges/ScienceOneness/chapter13.htm

The great piece of knowledge gained in chapter 14, that when mixing any two harmonious frequencies it forms a platonic form in space. [Application is in rotation of the Copper atoms at the neucleus.] The root tone creates a sphere having really no spin we can grab. As we hit the correct harmonic [musical harmonics] inside the first sphere, forms the platonic shapes now with only two tones. They have nodes on the first sphere. As one tone is slightly altered in frequency the platonic form now goes into a spin or rotation, and we start to get beats. I have done much testing with spheres and frequencies and come to realize we can create a spinning energy field using frequency, but the spin is not electric it is of a torsional nature more like pressure of the face of a sound wave. It is these pressure waves that set up the harmonics and this process is 3D, and platonic in geometry. They are tempic field or motion and the frequency is much lower then the EM that creates them as EM must travel around the sphere while the vibration sits on its surface moving at 90 degrees on any node crossing point. [I believe it is this vibration that is travelling between the collector loops as tempic field vibration.] Tempic fields "reach" is a linear distance force, and will operate at these longer distances of 44mm. Tempic field also has a delay similiar to the start up of the TPU, also it can be felt by sensitives.

I discovered a process I call "splitting" or taking a frequency ratio and splitting one harmonic by slowly moving two generators away from the center point of musical harmony. Three frequencies are used. This creates a pressure force with direction of spin. I believe this may be related to the energy moving between the coils as they sit in the almost conical arrangement you now have going. Have you measured the angle of your 6" 4" structure? Is it 45 degrees , 60 degrees, these are the normal angles of tempic field propagation. [Adding the correct upper frequency could be used as a governer to "angle regulation" of the conversion process, as it can add a reversed tempic vector.]

[The operation of the TPU is reliant on manipulating the spin of the nucleus of the copper atoms, and keeping them missaligned with the magnetic field of their electron shells or at 90 degrees to it in a forced precession. The tempic field is then 90 degrees to this and creates the mass rotation pressure. I assume the coils in the collectors are what is vibrating and the spin is probably along the wire as an axle, or as a [precession]. Mass rotation now sets up a new magnetic field that propells the electrons at 90 degrees to it along the wire, and after this process starts, it may not even need square waves to keep going, but the correct combination of sine waves may be enough? This is called splitting the nuclear field off the electron field, only at 90 degrees are they seperated fully where the surge of EM can flow without limits as it does on the electron shell.]

Here is some work I did with Joe Cell research and water rather then copper. It shows how to split the platonic resonance and create spin as well as regroup the water molecules. In Joe Cell we are trying to break the water down to its dodeccahedron molecule structure which is the smallest config for water.

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The frequency ratios for creating platonic form in space.
Here it is from the "just" or "true" tone scale of music:

[Tone - ratio - form]

1 - 1:1 - Sphere

2 - 9:8 - Icosahedron

3 - 5:4 - Octahedron

4 - 4:3 - Star Tetrahedron

5 - 3:2 - Cube

6 - 5:3 - Dodeccahedron

7 - 15:8 - Icosahedron

8 - 2:1 - Sphere of 2x frequency

So we see water is arranged as a dual tone system of either 1 and 2 or 1 and 7,
probably it is a 1 - 7 because it is supposed to break down to a dodeccahedron,
and 2 will not do this readily. 2 and 7 probably spin opposing directions also.

As an example if we found it resonant at say 1000 Hz then we would expect also to find 1000/8 * 9
or 1125 Hz, and this dual resonance would confirm we actually located the
icosahedron molecules true pitch. The more likely possibility is we find 7,
or 1000/8 * 15 = 1875 Hz as the second tone. Water would be identified by
its dual resonance at 1000 and 1875.

To dispurse the icosahedron chains of water molecules, we now set up the 1000, and two oscillators
at 1875. We move the two 1875 tones away from one another equally until we hit the
transition point between forms at 7 and 6. Halfway between we can now drop
the higher tone and move to the 6 level [ 1000/3 * 5 = 1666 Hz  ] The chains
should regroup at the dodeccahedron positioning. This takes the form to its
point of dissintegration or transition.

Half way between is approx (1875 - 1666)/2 = 209 Hz on both sides of 1875.
This will cause a scalar cancellation of the 1875 hz by spinning its energy
component opposing directions through itself. Now strengthen the 1666 tone
and attract all the molecules into the new construct.

Sounds easy! LOL!

Last few days a crash course in music to frequency ratios!

We found this frequency on record having to do with water:

1 - 42.8 Khz [water base frequency resonance]

7 - (42.8 * 15 / = 80.25 Khz [icosahedral structure]

6 - (42.8 * 5/3) = 71.33 Khz [dodecca structure]

9 - (2 * 42.8k * 9/8) = 96.3Khz [dissintegration frequency]

Apply 1 6 and 9 and the water may shift almost instantly.
Then remove 9 and test for any presence of 7.

If not the dual splitting of 7 may also do the trick.

Best guess for now.

Dave L

I now use the chart to comfirm last nights copper sphere trails.

1202 was my base resonance for the copper sphere

The 4 rth should be [1202 * 4/3 = 1602.6666]

I experimentally found 1602 using my ear, and this is a pretty solid
confirmation for me that the chart is probably accurate, and that I have
the ability to determine a 4rth interval musically.

I should next try to find dissintegration of the 4rth.

locate the 3rd and 5th

3 - 1202 * 5/4 = 1502 (1602 - 1502)/2 = 50 Hz to dissintegration

5 - 1202 * 3/2 = 1803 (1803 - 1502)/2 = 150 hz to dissintegration

I measured 1564 - 1660 as a special place, , 1602 - 1564 = 38, 1660 -
1602 = 58 Hz
I noticed the begining of dissintigration of the tone at somwhat less
then theoretical, but I never went any further.

Dave L

Mhz tone scale - [the increment of 1 hz is only  1/1,000,000 for splitting, but the size of the sphere will be very small]

1 - 1 Mhz - Sphere

2 - 1.125 Mhz - Icosahedron

3 - 1.250 Mhz - Octahedron

4 - 1.333333 Mhz - Star Tetrahedron

5 - 1.5 Mhz - Cube

6 - 1.666666 Mhz - Dodeccahedron

7 - 1.875 Mhz - Icosahedron

8 - 2 Mhz - Sphere

9 - 2.25 Mhz - Icosahedron


If you want to explore the cell for "sweet spots" build your 555's to go
from about 15 Khz to 150 Khz.

I would recommend using three of them for splitting the forms. See if you
get a harmony around 48.5 Khz as I did, then calculate the tone scale and start
splitting the others, unitil you hit on a combination using 55.79 Khz
and more energy should go into it.

Place the 555s in series so that the lowest frequency halts the next
higher frequency, and then you will get spurts of tones, then you can
adjust for the resonant spots. Feed this circuit with a 9 volt battery
so you do not ground out the cell DC power supply, then clamp it to the
2nd tube and the outer can.

Sample tone scale:

1 - 48.5 khz - Sphere [ Cell resonance ]

2 - 54.56 - Icosa [Reverse spin - natural large water form]

3 - 60.625 - Octa

4 - 64.66 - Tet

5 - 72.75 - Cube

6 - 80.83 - Dodecca [natural water small form structure]

7 - 90.93 - Icosa [natural water large form structure]

8 - 97 - Sphere

9 - 109.126 Khz - Icosa

You can see from this that 55.79 represents a split 2nd tone on the scale
and probably why it released more bubbles.

The tone set should then be set up to more effeciently split the 2nd, here
are your three frequencies:

48.5 Khz [Cell resonance]

53.23 Khz  [54.56 - 1.23Khz]

55.79 Khz  [54.56 + 1.23 Khz]

This is a reverse spinning Icosahedron form [7 th tone] off the cells
spherical resonance at 48.5 Khz.

I would say using frequencies looks promising.

Two more possible test frequencies for water in the Joe Cell
Dual tones is all that are used for these combinations.

1 - 49.59 Khz
2 - 55.79 Khz

1 - 29.755 Khz
2 - 55.79 Khz

These are based on the possibility that the 55.79 is either a 2nd or 7th tone of another scale. I have not tried these as of yet.

Dave L

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http://magnetism.fateback.com/index.htm

David Lowrance [c_s_s_p group]

Hello all,

@dfro

First I have to say that Im not working on the ECD anymore. The ECD was working great but I always wanted to follow our master and that was "controls all over the collectors in segments....".

For me, the ECD was only for learning about coils....

Yes, the vertical part of a TPU is what we need to explore. The height of such a 6" TPU is 44mm or 1 3/4". My previous TPU had 4 turns of lamp wire on top and 1 turn of lamp wire on bottom (4" loop) for the collectors. All arround was wound a primary and secondary control coil, in sections....it was a "wild" TPU. I was almost not able to control it with MOSFETs and I burned a lot of them. Yes, yes, the tubers would say that I finally have to build tube oscillators but as I have to work all the days long I have no time .
 My newest TPU has equal number of turns for each collector and this newest is not a wild one. This means that one part of the stability of a TPU  depends on the collector lenght or the difference of the collectors wires (top bottom) or call it what you want.
I dont think that the controls are essential for the stability but who knows??
Youre right about vertical coils BETWEEN the collectors. They really help. But the spacing between the collectors is important. I mentioned this a looooong time ago. The reason is that all collectors are working together in the vertical direction and when you think about the thickness of the TPU = 2" you can see that there is a lot going on in the horizontal direction too.

All the time Im working only with coils without caps, diodes.....if you think that I need cups to step up the voltage then youre wrong. I can get a lot of voltage only with coils but we dont need a very high voltage for a working TPU. We also dont need a lot of current for a working TPU. We also dont need a lot of wires for a working TPU (remember the open TPU).

What DO we need then???

Our master said: controls wound all over the collectors in sections.......

Otto

PS: Im following my - our master!!

Jeff,

This morning I plotted out Ottos dimensions and guess what,

Ottos design:

I plotted Ottos dimensions on a piece of paper and started to calculate angles. What he has done using his pulsing measurements and height adjustments is construct a tetrahedron, the shape attributed to "fire" by plato.

He has two loops of wire seperated such that they will sit on a tetrahedron perfectly, with three input coils along the base and one collector ring near the apex or center position. This is almost too much of a coincidence, that he would come up with these being the optimal sizes for the wire loops, and the ultimate distance between them.

His angle is 1 degree off, it calculates out at 59 degrees, rather then the correct 60 degrees for a tetrahedron.

This means that if the electron shell is opened to flow freely using only two frequencies, then there would be a torsion sync between the upper and lower loops where the tetrahedrons align and energy is transferred between them through the nodes of the form. It moves between the two frequencies using the tempic path up the tetrahedron structure.

This means the two loops are probably coupling at 3 node points, either between the pulsing coils or right on them.

He is hitting all three coils simultaniously with the pulse. This means that the wave fronts crash into each other 1/2 way between them, and here is most likely where the tempic field is created.

To go full AG with this, a second tetrahedron inverted and turned to one side by 30 degrees would set up the full dual spin system. Both system are then fired up to form two magnetic fields that will cancel and increase the nuclear spin to a level able to produce an AG effect. A total of six coils and at least 4 frequencies to drive it.

This is the next adaptation for nuclear rotation of the mass of the copper atoms, and can replace the Spinning cones of the Otis Carr saucer design. This is the key to all the OU devices!

Dave L

Hi Dave L,

I like your drawing.
I did a similar one here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1848.msg31317.html#msg31317

Maybe it means something to you.
I marked the double leads of the 6" and 4" collector in blue and red.

It might be worthwhile to calculate the frequencies - or rather the harmonic relationships - involved, based on the info given in your previous postings.
Unfortunately my understanding of the matter is not precise enough to attempt this, yet.

This ties together So many pieces of information, on this & many other threads.

Also, as many people will say - Pictures tell so much.
People are either Visual learners, or textual learners. In respect of speed, I fall mostly in the former category.
Everything drops into place fast.

Great work.
Eagerly awaiting results of your build....

For people (like me) not acquainted with NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance), here is a good start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance

For an excellent "Beginners Guide to", go here: (A very well written introduction to NMR Spectroscopy. Lots of animations.)

http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/nmr/nmr1.htm

The second link in particular, is really helpful for understanding the whole field, even though it's bias is the Spectroscopy field
Just sheds light on everything, without extreme Brain-Strain.   

Jeff.

Hello all,

merry Christmas.

Otto

Otto from which country are you?
I saw multimeter on which write Iskra. Do you from Slovenia?