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bob.rennips

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #630 on: June 29, 2007, 06:49:54 AM »
...This is what he (SM) says exactly:
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The first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.

How do you interpret the above? ...

Thanks,
Darren

It could be read as:

"The first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third frequency"

OR

"The first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third harmonic"


If he meant the first, then he could have been cryptically refering to using octaves.

e.g. 220, 440, 880

440 IS the second harmonic but 880 is 3rd Octave (or 4th harmonic).

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #631 on: June 29, 2007, 06:55:14 AM »
@ Jason:
   This is actually not really related here but then it is. I am so taken with the scope that you have in the background that I would love to know who makes it and the specific model number. I am in the market for a new one and want a good one to boot. Thanks

sugra


Hi Sugra,

I bought the scope off eBay from a company in China called OWON. It
s basically a Tektronix clone but it works great for my purposes. Giantkiller also bought the same model and it works great for him also.

They are always posting auctions on eBay for them. You'll get hits immediately if you type "owon" in as the search term. Here's a direct link to one of the auctions for the scope that I purchased:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Digital-Color-Oscilloscope-OWON-PDS5022S-w-USB_W0QQitemZ140133384807QQihZ004QQcategoryZ104247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #632 on: June 29, 2007, 08:24:07 AM »
Hi Jason,
I too have an Owon scope, PDS6062, that I got from the Owon distributor in the UK:
http://www.owon.co.uk/pds6062.asp

I would not recommend buying this off ebay as it comes with no warrentee. This is what Owon UK told me.
Its cheaper and safer to buy direct from a distributor in your own country if there is one.
Also upon request I got them to make the soft bag for it.
So they now have a black nylon soft bag to put the scope in to protect it. Its not on the website so you need to ask for it.

Regards
Rob

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« Reply #633 on: June 29, 2007, 09:20:50 AM »
The signal source is earth's core. The SM coil and my contraption are simply Farady pickup coils.
Loop antennas provide multiple gains at higher than designed resonance at almost random points of the spectrum. I am convinced his coils were flat tubing, waveguides or coaxial and Mobius.


My reply to WaveWatcher was incorrect.  I did not understand what I realize as of tonight.  The TPU IS like an antenna, like a radio, in the sense we ARE Tuning the device to a specific frequency.  The magnetic field of the Earth.  But NOT to 7.8 Hz Shummans Resonance, it will destroy.  No, the TPU needs to be "tuned" to resonate at 7.2-7.3  tuned "just off" of the "frequency of power".  THIS is how it acts like a Magnetometer!  Everything else remains the same.[/color]

This IS how the magnetic field of the earth is responsible for "converting" the power.
This IS the meaning of a "weak magnetic field over 1000 wires".
This IS why it will not work upside down!  (Think of the spin of hurricanes and toilets in different hemispheres!)
Go South and it would have to be wired in reverse!

THIS not only solves, BUT is the TOTAL answer.  ADD this to what is being done and see the power. Take this and put it into all of the clues about the earths magnetic field.

Question: How do we make an "antenna" collectors "RESONATE" at 7.23 Hz?   ???

That answer will be the practical solution. 

Quote from investors Email:
"It is supposedly tuned to the 7.23 Hz Earth's EM field.

It is shown in 3 sizes:  about 10 inches in diameter, larger, and the largest
one was about 18-24 inches in diameter.

They are placed flat (parallel to the ground) in the air (on a glass table)."

Quote from answering investors Email:
"The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it other
than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is established."

Video Quote of SM:
"It vibrates 7.3 times per second."
Lamp chord loop antenna with mobius, antenna tuned to 7.3 Hz.  Everything else we are doing the same.  ( You decide.  It is either an electromagnet of our making at 7.3 Hz or it is tuned to the resonance of 7.3 Hz)  Think magnetometer! 

Happy, Happy Days!  :)
Bruce
« Last Edit: June 29, 2007, 10:23:21 AM by btentzer »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #634 on: June 29, 2007, 09:44:32 AM »
Hi Darren, Rob,

If it can easier our tought I tell you that what is really needed, for start, is just to use the 1st & 2nd harmonic for F2 and F3 and leave asynchronous the lower range (F1) as it must be played to move the Seed location. I did played yesterday evening in that way ...and OK.

I did it so: connected my Wavetek 288 synthesizer to a flip-flop and so obtained a synched F2 and F3. Then I used another oscillator (NE555) to supply the lower range F1 and tuning it with a 20 turn pot.

Darren, I've not jet reconnected the original ECD so be patience hope to do it today. I wonder if you could in some way to take in account the Mobius turn..at the end it is similar to a 1 turn coil so I could find a way to give you the L R and Q if not too outside my LCR meter range.

Rob, I ordered the DDS20 Kit I can't wait to get it!

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #635 on: June 29, 2007, 12:59:23 PM »
@Roberto,
I ordered the DDS-20 kits from ELV on the 19th June, order was picked 20th June and despatched.
It arrived on the 21st June. Very quick considering it was from Germany to the UK.
Carrier was DHL and I have found them an excellent courier from past experience.
I also order some 0.5mm lead free solder wire and that is very good. The solder paste I order too is OK but I prefered the solder wire as it does not leave traces on the board.
Other bits I had was:
1. a magnifying lamp, excellent for fiddly soldering work.
2. High temperature plastic tweezers.

Rob

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #636 on: June 29, 2007, 01:45:25 PM »
Hi guys.

I haven't read all replies in this thread but I have to ask if the originally stated "Successful TPU-ECD replication" was true or not?
As I understand there is no proof yet that output vs input measurements was correct. Most probably wrong...???!!! (As Usual)

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #637 on: June 29, 2007, 03:30:22 PM »

Darren, I've not jet reconnected the original ECD so be patience hope to do it today. I wonder if you could in some way to take in account the Mobius turn..at the end it is similar to a 1 turn coil so I could find a way to give you the L R and Q if not too outside my LCR meter range.

Roberto

Roberto,

Unless I have interpreted your drawing of the mobius loop incorrectly, it will not be possible to measure any inductance of the loop.

If we consider the two loops as a "component" with two leads, and separate it from the rest of the circuit, we are left with two parallel wire loops. The two "leads" for this component would be via a connection to each loop, since there are two loops.

Since there is no DC path between these two connections (loops), measuring an inductance or resistance there is not possible. The component really is a "loop capacitor". Or it can be thought of as an antenna as well.

You could break each mobius loop and then measure the inductance, but when this component is placed into the circuit again, the inductance loop will again be shorted, and no inductance possible.

You have measured the loop capacitance already, and I do not know what more can be measured to account for it.

Please clarify if I have missed something.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #638 on: June 29, 2007, 04:07:13 PM »

It could be read as:

"The first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third frequency"


...he could have been cryptically refering to using octaves.

e.g. 220, 440, 880

440 IS the second harmonic but 880 is 3rd Octave (or 4th harmonic).

So continuing with your logic above, he could have been referring to ANY harmonic, or for that matter any frequency. Why not the 5th harmonic?    ::)

Maybe my logic is flawed, but SM's wording leads me to conclude that he means "harmonics", and he didn't feel the need to "spell it out" for us, and I agree.

Cheers,
Darren

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« Reply #639 on: June 29, 2007, 04:44:27 PM »
Darren,

I'm always referring to harmonic and not octave. Ok. There are reasons why to limit to only the second or perhaps the third, for example as the operating range as you know is within 200KHz, you are quickly out of this range choosing 1st harmonic (fundamental) higher than 100KHz!

In practice I see that scenario:

- F1 always less tha 100KHz (useful range found 20 - 85KHz) not need to be in phase with the others as it must be tuned only to control the Seed , it does not have or have little importance to get power.

- F2 always higher than F1 better if a multiple of F1 and in the range 100 - 220KHz it has importance for power and much easier to tune-in if synched with F3.

- F3 always near equal or higher than F2  and generally in the range 100 - 240KHz it has importance for power and much easier to tune-in if synched with F2

So you see that for simulation purposes you have just to choose an F1 for example 85.00KHz, and F2 for example 170.00KHz and F3 175.00.

OR

choose an F1 for example 35.00KHz, an F2 for example 70.00KHz and F3 140.00.

Of course there are many possibilities.

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #640 on: June 29, 2007, 05:04:47 PM »
Hello All,

Unlike the Ergo guy, (blahhh...) I've read all these 64 pages and also some 30 pages of the first SM topic that Lindsay opened more than a year ago. I read only about 30 pages,because then I stumbled upon this topic and then I couldn't get off of it so exciting it is.
Of course I plan to replicate Otto's device, I just need more understanding of how it is done, and also need to buy stuff...
What do you guys think of Bruce's last post? It seems really interesting what he is saying.
Anyways, I hope I will be testing soon and will be able to add something to this project.
Until then, a big THANKS to all of you who participate in this. Wonderful work!  :)

Regards,
Greg

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #641 on: June 29, 2007, 08:35:51 PM »
Hi Greg,

YOU ARE WELLCOME

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #642 on: June 29, 2007, 08:39:27 PM »


I apologize for not reading the thread yet in it's entirety,  however, has there been a list of necessary equipment posted yet for all of us aiming to replicate this procedure?  I saw the PDF which does a great first step in organizing the info,  but I'd like to get started on a step by step.  I'm willing to put this together if none already exists.

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« Reply #643 on: June 29, 2007, 08:41:36 PM »
@All,
I spent about an hour re-watching the SM youtube videos that Jeremy Gaul posted:
http://www.youtube.com/user/jeremygaul

So what do we know:
1. You need to move electrons through the wire to create the effect.
2. Flame effect when touching wires together.
3. Slows to a stop when inverted. (note - slows, does not stop instantly).
4. Works better when a magnet is introduced.
5. Washboard + gyroscope effect at 7.3Hz
6. Output of DC pulsed at around 5000Hz
7. A primary and secondary frequency input (in the case of the 17 " TPU).
8. 35705 Hz mentioned in amplifier project.
9. 245000 Hz also mentioned as the upper frequency of output transformer in amplifier project.
10. Voltage output in proportion to diameter of TPU.
11. Appears to have a large finned aluminum heat-sink  in the centre of the large TPU. (cooling the 2 x mosfets perhaps?)

So guess what happens if you divide 35705 / 7.3 ?
answer: 4891 (5000 Hz)

Coincidence? Maybe not.

Also 7 x 35705 = 249935 Hz
249935 / 4891 = 51.1
Yes I know its only 7 and not 7.3, but maybe this is close enough.
So what happens if you pulse two coils in close proximity with 35705 Hz and 7.3 x 35705 = 260646 Hz ? ( peaks line up 7.3 times a second).
Will you get a beat frequency of 7.3 Hz?

Regards
Rob

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« Reply #644 on: June 29, 2007, 08:56:22 PM »
Hi Gregi,

SM didn't use an adjective to describe the word resonance, so it is impossible to interpret what he meant.

I interpret the following:
Quote from answering investors Email:
"The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it other
than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is established."

to mean Mhz range, with a much lower probability of being in 100s of kHz.

A resonance at 7 some Hertz implies a wire length in coil of 24284 miles = 39081.309 km,
respectively a TPU circumfrence of this length.  Resonance is tied to physical dimensions, whether acoustic, EM, or optic.

One could also interpret the following:
Quote from answering investors Email:
"The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it other
than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is established."

to mean that a low-distortion sinewave FET oscillator is being used with two coils, one for the drain and the feedback winding for the gate.  Resonance in this sense also means self-oscillation frequency.  The frequency stability would likely be rather miserable, although the sinewave could have low distortion.

Without more info from SM, some experiments will have to be with sines and others with square waves.

Lots of questions to answer means lots of experiments.

Regards, Earl