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Grumpy

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1425 on: December 15, 2008, 03:26:44 PM »
'BEMF' is one step back after a single step forward. I seriously doubt a TPU uses 'BEMF' for anything as there is no gain unless you move in one direction only.

Absolutely correct.  Thanks BEP.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1426 on: December 15, 2008, 06:42:54 PM »
I havent said that the TPU effect, where the energy comes from, is the BackEMF. I have said that Steven used this method to generate high voltage, nothing more. And it is possible with low inductance coils, i have 500V with low inductance and IRF840 and you know the IRF840 is not the fastest one.

Please read before writing.


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1427 on: December 15, 2008, 07:18:57 PM »
I havent said that the TPU effect, where the energy comes from, is the BackEMF. I have said that Steven used this method to generate high voltage, nothing more. And it is possible with low inductance coils, i have 500V with low inductance and IRF840 and you know the IRF840 is not the fastest one.

Please read before writing.


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I'm pretty darn sure that SM charged caps - not inductors - but you are the expert...  :o

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1428 on: December 15, 2008, 09:08:05 PM »
I have a suggestion for all you TPU builders out there.  Why don't you sprinkle several gallons of gasoline around your house and light a match?  If you want to kill yourself this would be a quicker and more conveniant way of doing so.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1429 on: December 15, 2008, 09:20:08 PM »
Freedom fuel said
" I have a suggestion for all you TPU builders out there.  Why don't you sprinkle several gallons of gasoline around your house and light a match?  If you want to kill yourself this would be a quicker and more conveniant way of doing so"

Freedom fuel
My government already did that to my bank account ,my house [and yours ]will probably be next
Chet

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1430 on: December 15, 2008, 09:28:19 PM »
I'm pretty darn sure that SM charged caps - not inductors - but you are the expert...  :o

I believe that too, but not in the small ones :)

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1431 on: December 16, 2008, 02:08:10 AM »
Sorry Antimon.

I did write before understanding. I pursued BEMF as a source of extra power for to many years. I've even managed to create some very damaging and confusing effects from it. I finally decided the most pronounced effects are either destructive or illusion.

This BEMF term is flouted constantly in OU communities as some form of magic (for the ones that don't understand what it is). After about 30 or 40 cycles of 'new' ideas using BEMF my skin grew very thin. I'll refrain from responding to such claims in the future.

Used to produce high voltage? That idea is reasonable even with an 840.
No large caps in the small TPUs - agreed. Why? Because with the right coil design you can have massive amounts of capacitance in the coil alone. Yes, even with low turn counts.

Right now I design to totally eliminate BEMF without simply shorting it. In my mind when BEMF is there then the speed I want is not.

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« Reply #1432 on: December 16, 2008, 05:42:14 AM »
Sorry Antimon.

I did write before understanding. I pursued BEMF as a source of extra power for to many years. I've even managed to create some very damaging and confusing effects from it. I finally decided the most pronounced effects are either destructive or illusion.

This BEMF term is flouted constantly in OU communities as some form of magic (for the ones that don't understand what it is). After about 30 or 40 cycles of 'new' ideas using BEMF my skin grew very thin. I'll refrain from responding to such claims in the future.

Used to produce high voltage? That idea is reasonable even with an 840.
No large caps in the small TPUs - agreed. Why? Because with the right coil design you can have massive amounts of capacitance in the coil alone. Yes, even with low turn counts.

Right now I design to totally eliminate BEMF without simply shorting it. In my mind when BEMF is there then the speed I want is not.


Hi BEP,

The funny thing about the BEMF/CEMF is in EFTV 6,  J. Bedini clearly state in this video between 3 minute 39 sec and 9 minute 10 sec that there no BEMF/CEMF in any of his monopole system. The nice question now, what charge the second battery ? :)  he clearly stated many time, the secret is in the switch. its what who put a shock in the vacuum/aether/whatever . Spheric's showed IMO the best arrangement to increase that effect but got misunderstood because what he talk about is a complex effect. Just to show you a example, when investigating the Spheric's devise, if you assume that the magnetic field from the pulsing coil go from the north to the sound in straight line (not really straight but its just a representation)  like the normal science told us, you will never get a idea of what really happend in your mind with the devise , but now imagine that the magnetic field go from the north to the south but this time not with a line but with a spiral, its a be hard to me to clearly state what i mean but look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grPo81fBrA ,now all variable change. Now let introduce another variable for a proof of concept, assume that you have 3 coil, put "On" the first one, you get a magnetic field, now put "On" the second Coil who it's not far from the first one, both magnetic field couple to make a bigger one, until here there nothing strange, all normal science, the funny thing now is when you put "Off" the first coil, just for a moment there no change in the strength/size of the magnetic field, What will happen if you put "On" the third coil at this precise moment ?  ;)  . You need the right timing to make this to happen, so , you need to put "On" The Third one and in same time put "Off" the first to take advantage of the effect, so you need a little delay who can be made in different way. Now suppose we use  the same 3 coil but now we use that delay between each of them, the field at the end will be the Sum(with little loss due to impedance/circuit/etc) of the 3 Coil, Ca->Ca+Cb->Ca+Cb+Cc at the end with only one coil active at time. By a sharp switching the vacuum/aether/whatever gave us what we used to shock him but with a delay, Like water wave when you put your finger in it and put it out really fast, the center wave go down and up at different time.To make it more clear , assume we use X power, in ideal condition we get Y power Back. the max COP we can have here is Unity, Y<=X , Y is 180Deg out of phase. What the TPU do is it put that energy in phase, so a Sum can be made. For a unknow reason , what the aether/vacuum/whatever give back in energy have a decay, you can amplify it until you reach the Zero point, at this step , you have lost everything you gained. you cannot trick indefinaly the coils , its why you need to use 3 frequency, with the SM setup you get come limitation, you can only rotate 1 time before storing the energy you gained and repeat the process  because the 3 frequency are static, ex: 2hertz->200Hertz->2000Hertz . Don't forget the Decay time, its related directly to which frequency to use and why you cant rotate 2 time with static frequency.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1433 on: December 16, 2008, 05:45:47 AM »
I have a suggestion for all you TPU builders out there.  Why don't you sprinkle several gallons of gasoline around your house and light a match?  If you want to kill yourself this would be a quicker and more conveniant way of doing so.

Feedomfuel my friend,

I have no doubt in my mind that Steven's devices are real, but I think your over exuberance to persuade the heard in another direction is highly unjustified.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1434 on: December 16, 2008, 05:57:11 AM »
Feedomfuel my friend,

I have no doubt in my mind that Steven's devices are real, but I think your over exuberance to persuade the heard in another direction is highly unjustified.

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@poynt99

No need to respond to such a useless comment. Most of us have already burned things down in far more inventive ways  ;D

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1435 on: December 21, 2008, 08:52:33 PM »
FreedomFuel:
   I am still at a loss as to why you let this spook you away from it. If handled
with standard protocols for research with safety in mind, it is not that bad. Would
you care to elaborate?

thaelin

 If nothing else, PM me with it if you dont want to go live.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1436 on: January 05, 2009, 09:37:31 PM »
I believe that too, but not in the small ones :)

A.

We must have some of the same friends.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1437 on: January 05, 2009, 11:00:02 PM »
We must have some of the same friends.

Ahm, maybe ;)

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #1438 on: February 19, 2009, 08:54:55 PM »
FreedomFuel:
   I am still at a loss as to why you let this spook you away from it. If handled
with standard protocols for research with safety in mind, it is not that bad. Would
you care to elaborate?


Having studied this subject for three years I have concluded that everything that was said to Steven at the FBI interview is true, although probably exaggerated.  At least I hope so!  If that is so then clearly the authorities are justified in demanding that he shut up about the device and cease putting info about it on the internet using his proxy Lindsay.  There are many fanciful theories about the source of the energy received by this device, but once you understand what is really involved in free energy technology it becomes clear that this is something frault with danger.  I see it as similar to nuclear fission in that an explosive process is slowed down and controlled.  I call it controlled lightning.  It does not take much imagination to understand what could happen when you get uncontrolled lightning.  If you carefully read the SM letters you will see that he does allude to this phenomenon as a possible safety issue, but he makes it sound like a trivial matter.  It is not.  The phenomenon is not really lightning but something more powerful.  This phenomenon has been the cause of fatal accidents among free energy researchers recently and there were a series of fatal accidents in government labs in the 1940s and 1950s which led them to introduce special safety measures.  There was one incident a long time ago which not only led to fatalities but made it necessary to call the fire brigade.  Any reasonable person would conclude that if a technology has the potential to be harmful to people and property then only qualified people should be allowed to work with it.  Think about it.  Would you permit an unqualified person to service your gas central heating boiler?  At the moment the only people qualified to work with the TPU and other free energy devices work for the government in military research institues, but since the technology is so simple it is difficult to prevent unqaulified people from meddling with it.  Hence the secrecy.

People on this forum always reply that they are intrepid explorers who care not for their own safety in the pursuit of something that could change the world.  However, death or injury they may suffer is a pointless sacrifice since it should be obvious from SM's FBI interview that this device cannot be manufactured for sale to the public at the present time.[/]  Any claims that there are national security issues with this device that demand that it be kept secret are dismissed as a pretext to prevent it being brought to the market and competing with nuclear and fossil fuel power generation.  Surely if you can accidentaly harm your self wih something then the possibility exists to deliberately harm other with it.  In fact the atomic energy commissioner was not exagerating when he said that you can make a crater in the ground with device.  I have seen evidence from a reliable source that suggests that this is, indeed, possible with this and other devices.  Here is a quote from someone who claims to work for Lockhed Martin that you may like to consider.

'Hezbullah has been trying to develop anti-gravity and free-energy for decades coming very close 3-4 times only to have their top scientists and researchers go missing..

It's not that lockheed or the governments are greedy, they are, don't get me wrong, but if you think that it is because of greed than how can you argue a point of not releasing this technology?

Wouldn't lockheed martin's quarterly earnings go up by 500%-1500% with the release of free energy? Our shareholders will be very much pleased with a 500% jump in quarterly earnings!

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« Reply #1439 on: February 19, 2009, 10:22:07 PM »
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Where in the World do you get so much BS at once??