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Gustav22

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #870 on: July 20, 2007, 10:24:13 AM »
Hi Roberto,

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I don't understand the reason for the small toroid on the center that you mentioned. May you be clearer?
...while the Bias is correctly applyied the ECD tunig appear to be much sharper and output power increased! Do you have an explanation?

I have noted your 2 questions, but at the moment am not capable of providing a clear explanation.

But please let me again emphasize the importance of the 44 mm (1.75") vertical distance between the two rings which Otto discovered in his experiments.

Let me offer an explanation for the 44 mm (1.75"):

The ratio of the diameter of the big ECD-collector-circle to the small circle is 3:2

Now please see my illustration of a cross-section of the ECD in green colour here:
Please read 2 inches for each symbol 1 in the illustration.
Then you have an exact cross-section of the 6"-ECD
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1848.msg31317.html#msg31317

The distance between the two rings in the ECD is equal to the height of any one of the small equilateral triangles (black).
Using the formula of Pythagoras the height can be calculated.
It is 1.75" (44 mm).

See also the drawing here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1848.msg31143.html#msg31143

You have a very high factor of power conversion already.
I think that additional EM-coupling between the two circles will occur at the right distance.
This distance is 44 mm (1.75")

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #871 on: July 20, 2007, 09:48:35 PM »
@Gustav22

Good logic on the rings.

@otto

I have a question:

Is there any way to make a tigers' trap to catch the beast and hold it. You can call it going on Ottos' ECD Safari. If using some high value caps in parrallel with a way of cutting the cap when filled, this could give you a good idea on the real voltage / current produced. Maybe you have to catch the beast first before you can tame it.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #872 on: July 21, 2007, 10:00:38 AM »
Hello Gusta22,

Thank very much for your calculus. I do agree 100%, I wonder what could happen in the case of multiple rings....I mean if that geometric construction could be still valid!.

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #873 on: July 22, 2007, 06:04:26 AM »
Is or has anyone release any drawings of the successful prototype?

I have access to a lab full of equipment, a machine shop, and Labview

If I could assist you folks to get some things some things verified let me know.

Best Regards
Tim C.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #874 on: July 22, 2007, 12:02:10 PM »
http://www.rexresearch.com/feg/britten.htm go see the schematic of Chancey Britten's electrical power generator apparatus and notice that he is drawing power from the secondary which is a single wire.  This TPU was already done by him.  He is using one single control coil as primary and attaching it to an antenna to get a pulsed input from the ambient environment.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #875 on: July 22, 2007, 12:12:39 PM »
Notice on the Chancey Britain Patent, he is using a copper tube which  is elevated.  Isn't that something, he has formed a glass capacitor too.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #876 on: July 22, 2007, 02:28:09 PM »
We know that a few months ago Otto hit an ideal setup of his ECD.
No load was attached at the time. The device ran away and the weakest parts self-destroyed.

Why do we not have success in replicating this?
Can none of the replicators properly tune their setups?
Why does it not work again?
What is the difference between Otto's successful setup and the replications?

Well, I guess all ECD replicators attach light bulbs as loads.

Why does the ECD not run away with a lightbulb attached?

As far as I understand all wire lengths of a good ECD setup have certain ratios so that resonance is facilitated and the whole setup is in tune.

But what about the load assembly (light bulb plus connection leads)?
Should that not be in tune with the rest?
What if it were?

So here my suggestion:
For testing, it may be a good idea to choose proper 'in-tune' wire lengths to attach the load. I suggest ca. 80 cm (31.4") (i.e. same length as the collector) or (sub-)harmonic ratios of this length.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #877 on: July 22, 2007, 05:40:54 PM »
Is or has anyone release any drawings of the successful prototype?

I have access to a lab full of equipment, a machine shop, and Labview

If I could assist you folks to get some things some things verified let me know.

Best Regards
Tim C.

@Tim Crouse,
I can't speak for the others because I am not sure how many ECD builders there are but here is a link to my current progress. I followed Roberto's ECD document and been following and replicating Otto's designs and configurations. The Lords of the ring starts with that. This link puts you in my SM progress at the ECD stage progress.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg39888.html#msg39888
But as a caveat, I do not not want to detract from this or other threads. There is valid information everywhere.

My current and unposted delima is I toasted a fet trying out a suggested experiment. I don't want to waste thread space on this.

--giantkiller. Enjoy.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #878 on: July 23, 2007, 01:47:58 AM »
SM told us that there are a lot of ways to built a good TPU. So, in a very short time, I suppose, there will be TPUs like the open one with the controlls wound all over the collector and a few other types.  I only wanted to give the basic setup that I have. Its on you to find other possibilities to built a good TPU. Otto

With that in mind I wonder if there would be any merit in considering how a TPU may be wound in a Tensor or Caduceus Coil manner.

"This coil has repeatedly been found to violate established laws of electrodynamics and hertzian wave theory when high frequency is injected into it."

"This apparatus has zero impedance  - unlike an ordinary coil."

"It has infinite resonance  - unlike an ordinary coil which will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and weakly on the 2nd or 3rd harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in the spectrum."

"A few investigators have also reported unexpected bizarre inertial effects  (READ: "gyroscopic effects"?) in conjunction with these coils."

Perhaps if one modeled a TPU after the omni-resonant antenna-like features of human DNA (caduceus style), one "may" inherently solve the problem of TPU super nova ("spontanious combustion")... ?

- http://uncletaz.com/library/scimath/cadcoil.html
- http://www.keelynet.com/time/cadsmith.htm
- http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/

You have hit the nail on the head, the double helix is the way to go, however you must remember that you must use much lower voltage/amps on your feed as this will reach saturation point much quicker.

To overcome this you have to change it to crystal filament double helix. Quartz can withstand much higher temperature without failure and as some of you will find it creates some very interesting side band harmonics as well as not requiring an input frequency. As the quartz is naturally resonant when power is applied across it.

If using a triple core double helix crystal filament set up, the desired frequencies are 7, 14 and 21 Khz. Please do remember about synchronisation. The observed sweet spots with combined frequencies on previous experiments was to do with the fact that at certain frequency combinations you where creating a new side band frequency. This 3 note harmonic is important. When using quartz it is more to do with the 3 separate start-up up feeds, to get desired synchronisation.

You need very accurate timers which lets you phase the start sync of each frequency.

I will warn you in advance the initial EMP off this can be quite intense. do not and I mean DO NOT! do this within 1/2 mile of anybody with a pacemaker. If you do not have adequate shielding

according to how many time you fold the double helix back on itself will proportionately double its resistance for each fold and also double its energy density level.
 
Do not attempt more than 10 fold backs, as the Ion saturation level will be enough to levitate any object within it's vicinity. a cool effect, but really screws with diagnostic equipment.

Another thing you want to look at is Prof.Dr Gunter Nimtz's work on quantum electron tunnelling.

You may begin to understand the importance of a moderator between the field coils and the output coils. Some of you may have already noticed that the type of the coating on the coil wire does alter the outcome. Exploit this. 

Have look here, I am in the process of making TDM public domain, now that science has caught up, I can begin to make people aware that over unity is nothing more than a term created by blinkered science, (how many people here know that the laws of thermodynamics are based upon a philosophical argument, not science?) in fact classical physics does predict the observed effects. Einstein knew the dangers of this, this is part of the reason why he was so reluctant to admit his theories predicted black holes.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2816.new.html#new

It will take me while to write it all up again. So please be patient.

That helps explain some of what you are exploiting, note:  that it does not require the laws of physics to be rewritten. In fact it endorses them, but unusually it also allows so called over unity to be fact of physics.

btw there are other combined sweet spot frequencies   3, 7, 9,11,13, 33 and 39Khz  (Don't even think about quoting masonic conspiracy to me  ;D )  Remember when using these frequencies with standard generators, to adjust the phase of the synchronisation of each of them to achieve the required side band harmonics.


Edit: After some soul searching I decided to add this part.

These TPU devices are working on two fronts,

1. Is a frequency induced Electromotive force
2. The other is as some have already mentioned. Gravity.  This is the gyroscopic events that has been felt during tests.

As I progress my post on the TDM thread I will explain what gravity is and how to manipulate it.

One very big word of warning, I really mean this as a WARNING! be very careful of that gyroscopic effect, if the gravitational field exceeds a saturation per volume that is greater than anything on the earth, the object will launch at escape velocity as it will be attracted to the next heaviest object in the solar system.

If you exceed ZPE frequency density of this point in the space time continuum, it will assume the relative density proportionate to its Gravitiational compression level. Plain English you will fold space time.

Some of you may think this is a little far out and too crazy to be true, yet with the use of simple photon compression target Prof.Dr Gunter Nimtz has been able to successfully transfer Mozart 40 from one location to another at several times the velocity of light. I mention this as it is a publicly available experiment. Although the smoothing of Quantum wave packets may not be arguably transfer of information in the classical physics term. There is no avoiding that a data stream was propagated over specific distance by non subluminal means (Faster than light) using a moderator, 'the target'.

« Last Edit: July 23, 2007, 02:57:48 AM by 13thHouR »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #879 on: July 23, 2007, 02:22:59 AM »
I think you're onto something.  In ethernet wiring, the receive and transmit pairs are twisted much like a caduceus coil so that it cancels out noise in the pair.  Weird.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #880 on: July 23, 2007, 02:45:20 AM »
Nature normally has ways of doing things much better, the double helix is the most efficient energy transfer/absorption structure for strands.

Those of you familier with WI-FI sniffing will already be aware of how efficient this structure is as a emitter/receiver. You need to get little bit more away from electro magnetics and into the range of radio transmissions to fully understand these TPU's

Some more other tips: As mentioned here previously, isolated PSU such as a battery is more desirable than a regulated PSU.

Even with the best electronics, spike recovery times and feed back will be an issue with mains based PSU's, also DC is not true DC from them. Its a simulation of DC. which will affect the efficiency of the test device as it will create other carrier frequencies.

Do not and I mean DO NOT!!! suddenly ramp through the frequency the spectrum, as the EMP is highly saturated pulse and can land you flat on your ass on the other side of the room. As one individual here nearly found out.

Great for parties, but really trashes your electronic hardware. Plus the neighbours get a bit spooked when objects suddenly fly across their rooms for no apparent reason. ;D ;D ;D

Some examples of the levels of saturation you are creating (In localised terms) in these experiments.

http://www.hfml.ru.nl/levitation-movies.html

I can still hear the Rutherford Appleton Labs in Oxfordshire tell me that was impossible back in 1989.

"They said ion saturation would occur long before levitation".

I replied "That is the whole point of it" and terminated the call.  ;D

Without saturation you can't have compression.




« Last Edit: July 23, 2007, 03:21:32 AM by 13thHouR »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #881 on: July 23, 2007, 04:21:35 AM »
Hello 13th hour,

Welcome to the forum.  I enjoyed your take on SR in the other thread.  But a few quick questions.

Your last two posts on this thread make it sound as if you have a working device, or have experimented along the lines that you mentioned.  In particular the 1x 2x and 3x frequencies that you mentioned.  Can you tell us more of those experiments that led you to the 7, 14, and 21 KHz?  Many of us love theory, but are kind of "jaded" by all of it and are building and experimenting. 

Time for some pork on those chops, so to say!  ;)

Cheers,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #882 on: July 23, 2007, 05:22:36 AM »
I am isolating those frequencies from a specific document obtain from NT before he died. The rest where lost when his labs where raided after he passed away. Now held by the United States Government.

They are the frequencies used in the genuine PE involving a naval frigate. For the record it had nothing to do with Anti Radar.

The difference on the PE was that on the larger scale they where working in the Hertz rather than Kilohertz band that these smaller TPU's are.

but that is all too cloak and dagger for around here, I prefer to stick to things I can openly talk about without causing trouble for this site.

I have observed specific gravitational effects in other experiments  on the CNFT (cold nuclear fusion tower) when using those listed frequencies. So this is part I can talk with confidence about. 

btw the side stepping of your question is not an intentional thing about misleading you. I learned many years ago that dropping all of TDM in somebodies lap has similar effect to handing a caveman a gun. Not that I am saying anybody is a caveman, its just an analogy of the learning curve. Plus I genuinely don't want to get into the whole I can't tell you scenario as this is definitely not the place for such response. So I gave you little of it (just enough to know it is genuine). I did not have an alternative but to use that. I just knew somebody would ask its origin, and I am too honest to lie about it. Lies only get found out and serve to discredit whatever the person may have genuinely said.







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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #883 on: July 23, 2007, 05:29:06 PM »
@13thHour,

wellcome in this thread!

I wonder if that means that we must include Caduceus coil into our work schedule ... Reading intra your lines I'm propense to think that you did already had some real experience as per your warning .... this theme as for the ECD-Mobius IS DANGEROUS indeed.  Please have a look to my next reply to Gustav22 and feel free to explicit your thinking.

@Gustav22,

I do agree with your assesment of present ECD developing situation. It is clear that the conditions that lead to ECD run-away condition are not stable/reproductable.
I did many tests in order to find a more stable design but for the moment I did not succeed. Anyway some new points have been reached: the multiple Seeds appearing and the associated automatic RE peaks converting into justapposing sine pieces is to be considered EXTRAORDINARY. No way for me to explain it! I hope that both Jason, GK and several other will soon be able to experiment on this ground.

It is clear that at least the actual CC design is not correct, it needs to be reconsidered, I will join Otto on 20 of August just to plan a strategy to follow for next September. I do also urge all to use synched frequencies using one of the many circuits posted.

Some practical hints:
I do confirm that for the 6" ECD the first correct freq is in the range 25 - 30 KHz, the second is also fixed as it is the second harmonic: in this case may range from 50 to 60 KHz, the third frequency may be the third harmonic but...in many cases I've had good results with 5th or even the 9th harmonic.

Best luck to all

Roberto


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #884 on: July 23, 2007, 05:49:19 PM »
A friendly note on EMP generation - use it or blow it off - your choice.

Forget shielding. Don't waste your time. Grounding is useless, as well. I don't care what you think you know about Faraday cages.

They will not stop the pulse unless they are 'active' cages. By that I mean generating their own equal intensity field of the same polarity and type. Good luck building one unless you have experience in EW, ECM and ECCM.

Of course, none of us have done this before so the above is just hot air   :)