@ Bob.R

In brnbrades case yes.  In another persons case, who had PM'd me, no.  Just the tiny speaker on an input to their coil.  It was not electrically connected.  Sounds wild I know.  But I have seen some small strange things today.

@ brnbrade

I am sure I must have wound your coil wrong.  I first wound 1000 turns of 30 gauge wire around a straight piece of 1/4" pvc for the length of 3.5"  Over the top of this I wound 24 turns of the primary, using 22 gauge wire.  This is why we need exact details, porfavor.    A drawing would also assist.  Including how you connected to your walkman.  Thank you.

Volts: 
Headphone jack stereo wire - unplugged
.005 v

Plugged in - No gain/volume  107.7 FM
.103 - .110 v

Plugged in - full gain/volume 107.7 FM
fluctuates LOW - .165 v        High - .629  <-- VERY interesting, with increased gain is increased voltage, everytime!

Then wired it to primary side of coil:
Secondary No volume
.000 - .002 v

Secondary Full volume
.009 v

Large magnet near it did not change anything.  A large magnet over the entire coil did not change anything.  I unwrapped the electrical tape, thinking it was hindering the vibrations of the primary, but nothing.  Each primary lead was connected to a stereo output lead.  Each secondary lead was connected to the voltmeter.

Either my coil was wrong, wire size?  length?  etc.  Or how it was connected to the radio was wrong.  Or both.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

I wonder if he connected it to the headphone jack or the speaker output terminals on his receiver? Just a thought/question...

Hi, good results,

interesting formula from Hugh H. Skilling, "Electric Network", John Willey & Sons, 1974, regarding a situation of an RLC Resonator (or Network) which once loaded whith internal energy provides enough energy to swing perpetual (continous changing form of energy).

R^2 < 4 * (L/C)

Includung an PM causes an "Assymetric" and therefore "Nonlinear" introduction in the L-factor (loading in parralel mode, pumping in antiparallel mode).
We should engineer an "Factor of Motivation" which describes the property of selfexcitement (neg. damping).

How should we get into this stable sector?
Possible due to:
#Offset statically
#dyn. Offset due to interacting Waveforms
#canceling out R by using the skin effect (HV)

Best wishes
Karl

Hi, good results,

interesting formula from Hugh H. Skilling, "Electric Network", John Willey & Sons, 1974, regarding a situation of an RLC Resonator (or Network) which once loaded whith internal energy provides enough energy to swing perpetual (continous changing form of energy).

R^2 < 4 * (L/C)

Includung an PM causes an "Assymetric" and therefore "Nonlinear" introduction in the L-factor (loading in parralel mode, pumping in antiparallel mode).
We should engineer an "Factor of Motivation" which describes the property of selfexcitement (neg. damping).

How should we get into this stable sector?
Possible due to:
#Offset statically
#dyn. Offset due to interacting Waveforms
#canceling out R by using the skin effect (HV)

Best wishes
Karl

Hi Karl,
sounds very interesting.
Could you please scan the pages from this book and post over here ?
Or is it available online ?
Maybe there are also a few drawings with it ?

Is there also more mathematical forumulars with it,
so obe could see how he develops this forumula ?

Many thanks.

Karl,

Are you refering to a simple  SERIES connection of L, C, and R?

Can you post more info, a schematic perhaps?

EM

Stefan and EM,
yes. This formula and reference was used by an farmous thinker which back- and forward engineered at the same time.
He has designed or redesigned or better created a formula for each infinite small or big, thick or thin, long or short way of materia flow.
A piece of iron square shaped with polefaces, a wire of copper with polefaces, a sparkgap with polefaces, a liquid tube with polefaces a magnetohydrodynamic device with polefaces, an amplifier tube with polefaces, aq battery with polefaces a capacitator with polefaces, an inductor with polefaces, an trasistor with polefaces an lightbulb with an abrupt change in media with polefaces, an swinging pendulum with poles, a Franck Hertz Versuch with poles.........
Always an finite element with poles, do you feel, that there is an simple principle behind the creation of electronics?
Atoms with poles , molecules with poles, masses with poles, clusters with poles, earth magnetic field with poles, sun with poles, cosmic influences due to poles,  earth e-field with poles, and last but not least magnets with poles.....

STOP!!!

Polefaces are described as C, turbulators as L and energytransformer as R.

But the problem with the low R was solved by using an conductive gas (eg. air, H2, N2, O2...plasmatic state), please use not a vacuum, because you'll be x-rayed afterwards. But a short comment about E=m*c^2. Where does the radiant energy come from while a particle accelerates to a discrete value (a kind of super sonic), and after slowing down it has the same mass as before, but, it was in the vacuum and no particle interaction could occour. But only to think.....

So please only experiment in conducting gases as media for sparkgaps. The gas is the absorber and everytime we are living, we have to breath air, so stay on air, it's the carryer of life energy.

cLOSE THE CONTAINER; to avoid activated gas or ions to escape.

OK. A Sparkgap consists basicly of an poleface with an distance between the plates, called capacitance. A nonlinear capacitance as we see later. First this capacitance is relative assymetrical loaded with energy quantas. The paschen formula describes the noninear behaviour of a gas in the nonconductive to the conductive quadrand (?I think so? was it Paschen?). In the moment of conduction, when the breakdown of the capacitive element appears the capacitive element Funkenstrecke changes it's behavior to an resistor with an defined resistance which is verry low in this moment, because the eather is streched. We call this state of the reaction break down of conductive gas.

Now we have an Conductor and a resistor at the same time an the "fifth element", plasma, more powerful than vacuum in relativity to us.
We have also a verry short time to get to R (on), hello to all switchers, and due to the shortest time and the highest current and the lowest resistance and an plasmatic conductor an (some) relativistic effect's including light exchange.

Next phase introduces an swirling motion, forward and backwardmotion of the sub-particles in different directions (rooms) and therefore energy exchanging in an resonant state (plasma is atomic resonance). Here the Inductive part happens, because no energy is created or destroyed, but changed in form or kind of motion (linear, circular or polarized (linear-circular)).

YES IT'S AN RLC IN SERIES   or better it's an R+C of the old style in series with the wires to feed it. 

And a verry good one, but, energyoverflow is lost (or created?) due to radiation as light (massless). If you use a kind of closed lasertube you can use the overflowenergy to feed the process.

But, the resonator of an ordinary sparkgap is an RLC in series. With nonlinear characteristis while breakdown has not occoured, with quasilinear characteristics while breakdown, and back to the box...

In this state the proposed formula was used to describe a so called resonating chamber. But thats to much here, this is an other storry of an future which's horizons only sometimes is seen.

I didn't have the book, I only has the reference, but It looks so important to all your projects that someone should try to get the book. Every book is stored normaly in an university over the world.

But every real HVelectronics could use this formula to play with the RLC factors and see what happens under this conditions.

Who is able to show an example of this quadrand of operation in an example?

Is it really so hard to impline?

The formula is right copied, I'm only a copyman...hohohohoho...

But this makes sense.

I don't have much time to experiment, so intuitive empiric theory and copy i ging is my hobby.

We are at the edge of the univere with our knowledge, Don't PAnic...Just push the button and look what happens...

But, sometimes I experiment with Newman motors and other things like swinging magnets like a little child, sometimes my wife is verry angry about me because I'm laying asleep before my running Newman machine and dream while heraring the swirling of somethousand Hz of rotating neos.

So, please feel free to ask me about my opinion. "And go on my friends, and deal with the healing spirits, with the magic of the ground and the magic of te earth..."(HAWKWIND, Spacebandits) never was the science so overloaded with esoteric, thats a good sign, something good will happen soon.

Add: Please take 1/2 oz of this formula and an 1/2 oz of Harold Aspends Heart of Matherna Testatica Patent and mix at some thousand Hertz as described in the patent (please ask again if you don't know what I mean), Overload it with some thousand static volts and use the surface of the conductor parts (coil and C surface) as an superfast electrostatic carpet with superior R characteristis and.....

Good night everybody, wherever you are..

KARFUNKEL

Stefan,
habe das Buch mal bestellt, kann man auch f?r 2,95 bei Amazon bestellen.
Suchen nach Skilling Networks in INternationalen B?chern, der Mann ist gut, schau mal in google, ein altes H?schene wie auch Aspden, ein Neucreator und Besserdenker, kein Sturkopf.
Er wird wegen seiner leicht verst?ndlichen Schreibweise gelobt, es scheint ein Mensch zu sein hat eine in einer Rezession geschrieben, denn er Schreibt mit Herz und Einf?hlungsverm?gen.
Wenn das Buch bei mir ist (Fernleihe kann einwenig dauern) poste ich den Umfang um die Formel, das interresiert mich selbst mal, was mit der Formel genau gemeint ist:
vielleicht eine simple Oszillatorbedingung bei Gleichspannungsspeisung (selbsterregung nach Schalterschluss).
Ist aber auf alle F?lle interessant f?r mich.
Kann das mal jemand in ein konventionelles Bauteilemodell (SPICE) implementieren?
Die Bedingung ist ja mal sch?n ?bersichlich und kann leich in einem Reihen RLC ausprobiert werden.
Nur die Quelle ist unbekannt und kann leider nur experimentell (so wie fr?her fr?her fr?her...) empirisch und intuitiv ermittelt werden, vielleicht gar keine unbekannte...
Gru?
Karl

My formula is from the following book:
Die Schwingkammer, Energie und Antrieb fuer das Weltraumzeitalter (Brosch?re)
von Dr. Jan Pajak (Autor)
5 Angebote erh?ltlich ab EUR 8,85 bei Amazon.
There is the formula reffered.
K
 
 

Hmm? The Energia patent is interesting. There are some features that appear common to a number of other devices.

I can feel the frustration in this thread ? I don?t want to add to that but at the same time I think a step back may be needed. There are assumptions being made that are unfounded and some things are being overlooked.

First here are some questions that the patent raises:

1.   The effect works with or without a permanent magnet ? but the only reference to magnet type talks about an iron cobalt alloy. That is most unusual as it?s not a common alloy for modern commercial magnets. The patent is recent and yet is goes out of it?s way to mention iron cobalt and makes no mention of the most common types -- ceramic or Neodymium based magnets. Why?

2.   Why the very strange earth point? ? as described the whole drive system will float high on a pulse? and it?s a floating potential dependant on the impedance of the coils and the pulse current. They make a particular point of the earth arrangement in the patent. This sort of detail would normally not be worth of comment in a simple system like this.

3.   The pulse sequence is complicated ? in a quick reading of this thread I don?t recall seeing anyone get it right -- apologies if I am wrong. Given the data in the patent there is a sequence of pulses applied to a first coil. These pulses alternate between two values which are at least 50V apart? eg, 200, 200, 300, 300, 300, 200, 200, 200 etc.   with the number of repeats at one level being random from 1 ? 3 (preferentially). This sequence is followed at a very short time interval by the same sequence x 2.5 amplitude on a second winding. So in our example above the second winding would be pulsed with 500, 500, 700, 700, 700, 300, 300  However the effect will work without regular period and with any amplitude ratio as long as the second set is larger and higher than 50V above the first set. Why? ... could this be due to the equivelant frequency increace of electrons with voltage (energy = frequency) or due to an expanding collective wave or due to a non-linear pumping of the second wave in the wake of the first?

4.   The use of two windings allows for very short delay intervals between the pulse trains ? a delay that is less than the pulse duration. This implies that it is the pulse front that is the effective factor here. Furthermore they say that wider spacing of coils ? or more interleaved coils allows for a wider time between the first and second set of pulses. This implies a wave front that is traveling in one direction. ? They do state that a single coil can be used but they imply that the delay between the two pulse streams is too short for this to be practical. Although they also state that an effect can be seen with a single coil and a single pulse train -- but they never once state that you dont need pulses of at least 50V difference in the pulse train.

5.   They give no hint as to why random amplitudes, phase delayed pulse streams or the two level pulse stream is required. Therefore we can?t make any assumptions -- It could either be essential for the function of the effect or it could be to prevent runaway oscillations destroying their devices and equipment.

6.   They state that the device generates magnetic field that is thousands of times greater than the permanent magnet. They give no details of how they measured this. We cannot assume it is a magnetic field they are measuring ? although they clearly measure something that behaves like a magnetic field. Even a microsecond pulse of a 2000 T magnetic field will literally explode both the magnet and the surrounding coil.  ? a simple example? try hold two neodymium magnets side by side such that their north and south poles face the same way ? the repulsion is great. The magnet experiences these self repulsion forces internally which contributes to the fragility of high field magnets.  Likewise ? a pulse of 2000 T field will induce a current spike and a physical force that will explode any surrounding coil? so either they start out with milli Tesla field strengths or they may not be dealing with a magnetic field but something else/new that has some characteristics of a magnetic field.

Whatever the peculiarities of their devices testing is well within the reach of everyone. The description of their motor embodiment only uses 1MHz pulse repetition with 100ns pulse widths. This is quite slow and well within the reach of modest solid state designs.

I am still studying the motor aspects of the patent and may come back with more comments later.

Cheers

Mark.

Many thanks for your comments Mark, much appreciated.

There are some references on the internet that suggest Iron-Cobalt alloys make good cores for electromagnets, and are also used in power transformers.

In 3). you say that "This sequence is followed at a very short time interval by the same sequence x 2.5 amplitude on a second winding.".

To clarify, I believe the sequences are interleaved, the second sequence starts within a few say nanoseconds of the first sequence starting. This is reinforced in the patent's description of the pulses if using only one coil. In the motor section they quote a delay of just 10 exp-13 seconds between the start of the first and second sequences - the delay due to stepping up the voltage x2.5. in a transformer.

Your observation on the earthing point is very interesting - I hadn't noticed this at all.

If coil1 gets a pulse of 400V this will float both coils to 400V ?
Whilst coil1 is still on, coil2 will pulse with 1000V (x2.5).
Does this mean both coils now float to 1400V ?

Coil1 now turns off, causing a back EMF of say 800V, which will appear on top of the 1000V of coil2 which is still on ? ie. 1800V. ?
Coil2 turns off, causing a back EMF of say 1600V, which will appear on top of the 800V BEMF ?


So what does pulsing a pulse translate to in terms of spinors ?

Cheers Bob.