Author Topic: Proof of concept - perturbing a static magnetic field (Read 61797 times)

Earl · « **Reply #90 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:18:09 PM »

Hi brnbrade,

please comment on the attached image and the questions in it.

Thanks and 73, Earl
brnbrade messages, sorted newest at top.
06:13 24 June 2007
Hi, The permanent magnetic ring on the outside of the pvc tube. The station was FM stereo.
More thinks that is relevant.
Mine to think it is, the primary works as electromagnet of the pulses of the sound frequency.
A diode rectifier was put in the outlet of the walkman for not having tension return. Tks
05:50 24 June 2007
Hi, I believe with more amper and faster and broad pulses the thing begins to be interesting!
In it lives him!
regards
05:37 24 June 2007
The initial reading was of 50v without the ring magnetic permenente. But, when I put the ring permenente the things left my understanding. The frequencies were of an old walkmam. The frequencies were of the sound that run of the station tuned in place. Yes, a transformer, high speaker, the primary vibrating in magnetic field, secondary as collectors. Tks
05:06 24 June 2007
My TPU comprise in 24 turns medium wire and 1000 turns more fine wire in parallel, mounted in pvc tube and isolated well isolated. I put permanent magneto ring in turn of the tpu and reader jumped as crazy above the 250v. TKS
04:14 24 June 2007
Hello all, This morning I played with resonant frequencies of my walkman in the ring tpu that I built.
I input whit 2 cells 1.5v, and collect 52v 1A in output. When I decided to put a permanent magnetic ring in turn of the rings collectors and...
Amaze, the readings jumped for more than 250v. with two cell my reader was crazy.
I hope help, Regards

bob.rennips · « **Reply #91 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:26:41 PM »

http://www.forcefieldmagnets.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_37&products_id=66

This is the largest ring magnet I can find, poles on the flat face - which I believe is what is required. Still waiting for confirmation from brnbrade on this.

http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/SearchResult-CategoryID-33.html

Some more here. Seem to be cheaper. Also have different N-S arrangements for the rings.

Microwave magnetron should have two large N-S on flat face, ring magnets.

FROM EARL:

Ring magnets are usually used in loudspeakers. Should be able to be found in lots of places.

Try:
http://www.engconcepts.net/List_Of_Ceramic_Magnets.asp

http://www.engconcepts.net/List_Of_Cone_Magnets.asp

http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=41

he has everything, lots of N50 material hehehe which will pull in an aether vortex from the next galaxy.

I suggest trying both neo and ceramic materials.

bob.rennips · « **Reply #92 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:32:07 PM »

More things becoming apparent. BrnBrade mentioned STEREO from his walkman.

Stereo signals work on phase difference to provide the illusion of the sound source coming from different points (sound stage). If he was feeding two signals into his coils, that were stereo, he would have near identical signals, but with subtle phase differences.

This matches with patent. Quick succesion pulses as per the patent would be equivalent to a small phase difference.

z_p_e · « **Reply #93 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:46:43 PM »

Quote from: bob.rennips on June 24, 2007, 05:10:55 PM

Now moving to what Otto is doing.

I hope everyone sees the parallels between Otto having two different sized (different diameter), 1-turn coils and the concept of dual magnetic flows moving at different linear speeds.

This is the key effect I think we should all be building on.

Bob, these are shorted loops. I wouldn't consider them coils per se. As such, they would act more like antennas then coils.

Darren

bob.rennips · « **Reply #94 on:** June 24, 2007, 06:02:16 PM »

Quote from: z_p_e on June 24, 2007, 05:46:43 PM

Quote from: bob.rennips on June 24, 2007, 05:10:55 PM
Now moving to what Otto is doing.

I hope everyone sees the parallels between Otto having two different sized (different diameter), 1-turn coils and the concept of dual magnetic flows moving at different linear speeds.

This is the key effect I think we should all be building on.

Bob, these are shorted loops. I wouldn't consider them coils per se. As such, they would act more like antennas then coils.

Darren

As shorted loops, acting as antennas, that would mean peak current would flow at resonance ? So when both loops get hit with their respective resonant frequency, you would have some sort of dual magnetic field flows, interacting/cancelling due to the 'mobius' twist ? Antenna theory is not my thing!!

What is the difference in terms of magnetic field flow between a cyliner magnet and a ring magnet. The only thing I can see is the dual magnetic flow aspect.

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #95 on:** June 24, 2007, 08:19:43 PM »

@ Bob.R

The Story told to me WAS of Sound waves, from a earphone placed on a wire input. It produced massive ammounts of electricity! The earphone was plugged into an FM radio. All of this was BEFORE brnbrade posted last night. he wired direct to his headphone output and did not use the same method to produce the waves.

Cheers,
Bruce

brnbrade · « **Reply #96 on:** June 24, 2007, 09:00:24 PM »

Hi btentzer

I make little moving demonstrate my experiment concept.

Tks

Thedane · « **Reply #97 on:** June 24, 2007, 09:19:18 PM »

Quote from: brnbrade on June 24, 2007, 09:00:24 PM

Hi btentzer

I make little moving demonstrate my experiment concept.

Tks

Hi brnbrade,
Your video shows an analogue meter where the needle follows the music - and not much more.
(To me it also looks like you're taking the output from your stereo and channels it through a transformer - something that is NOT even close to unity.)

May I ask which concept it is that you're trying to show?

//TheDane

brnbrade · « **Reply #98 on:** June 24, 2007, 09:54:08 PM »

Quote from: Thedane on June 24, 2007, 09:19:18 PM

Quote from: brnbrade on June 24, 2007, 09:00:24 PM
Hi btentzer

I make little moving demonstrate my experiment concept.

Tks

Hi brnbrade,
Your video shows an analogue meter where the needle follows the music - and not much more.
(To me it also looks like you're taking the output from your stereo and channels it through a transformer - something that is NOT even close to unity.)

May I ask which concept it is that you're trying to show?

//TheDane

//TheDane

Yes. Here anything of more for the moment.
The one that I wanted to show as the sound waves balances.
That inside of the one of my device also scale.
And it is known that a magnetic field varying in the time generates energy.
How yes, so fast the primary ones to balance the secondary ones they collect more energy.
It is it that me leaning of that everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UTQLRW9bs&mode=related&search=

regards

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #99 on:** June 24, 2007, 10:15:11 PM »

Hi Brnbrade,

You are right. The voltage fluctuates with the beat oscillations of the station. I just finished hooking up stereo wires from a headphone output of an FM radio to a transformer. WAS NOT looking for OU, before everyone floods me! LOL

I noticed some weird things. At the bottom of the FM dial there was .001 readings, nothing there. I hit 101 on up and things looked better with readings between .8 mv and 1.2 volts. I then did a little mobius loop from outputs to inputs with diodes to input the feedback and got it up to between 6 and 7 volts. So the faster the pulse of this wave I think the more power will be generated in the proper circuit potential, with the correct frequencies. Also, as I adjusted the gain it had a direct affect on voltage output.

Remember what SM says about the TPU?
"You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for
amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for
the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.

Brnbrade, what size pvc did you use to wrap your wire? We would like to try to repeat what you have done. Have you tried it again today?

brnbrade · « **Reply #100 on:** June 24, 2007, 10:41:03 PM »

btentzer

To begin with high big old speaker's magnet and pvc of 1/4 ".

tks

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #101 on:** June 24, 2007, 10:45:33 PM »

Quote from: brnbrade on June 24, 2007, 10:41:03 PM

btentzer

To begin with high big old speaker's magnet and pvc of 1/2 ".

tks

Okay, I already have both. 1/2" pvc at what length? Keep going..

Thanks

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #102 on:** June 25, 2007, 02:33:05 AM »

Hi brnbrade,

I have my wire, 30 gauge for the "fine" wire and 22 gauge for the "medium" wire. I had gotten 1/2" pvc, but now I see you have changed it to 1/4". So I will look for something 1/4" to use for my air core.

I know you said 1000 turns of the fine wire, but how long is your pvc? 4"? 6"? It will help me when I wind to know this..

Okay, I found 1/4" piece of semi-rigid plastic. That should work. I will use a piece 6" in length.

Cheers,
Bruce

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #103 on:** June 25, 2007, 04:25:25 AM »

Okay, I ended up making it 3" in length, It probably could have been half of that.
Next I wrapped the entire coil over with high heat electrical tape.

Now I will take an FM stereo clock radio and plug into the head phone jack. From there I will measure volts out.

Next I will hook to the primary and measure.

Then place a large magnet next to it and measure.

Then place a large magnet around the entire coil and measure.

Cheers,
Bruce

bob.rennips · « **Reply #104 on:** June 25, 2007, 04:40:22 AM »

Quote from: btentzer on June 24, 2007, 08:19:43 PM

@ Bob.R

The Story told to me WAS of Sound waves, from a earphone placed on a wire input. It produced massive ammounts of electricity! The earphone was plugged into an FM radio. All of this was BEFORE brnbrade posted last night. he wired direct to his headphone output and did not use the same method to produce the waves.

Cheers,
Bruce

You're saying the earphone was not electrically connected to device producing this large amount of electricity ?

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