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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 660228 times)

noonespecial

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #495 on: September 22, 2008, 08:51:21 PM »
@All,
 
Bob's comments on how the levers work:
 
"The way to lift the weight to the opposit end is at the 4:00 oclock position an  arm from the centre, on a cam mecanisum to the end of the arm (2.5 ft) is forced around and lifts the linked weights 1" farther than 1/2 the total travel. Centricical force will lift it the rest of the way. It acts like a leaver 2.5" to centre and 10" past.The farther it pushes the weight from the bottom the easier it gets.The first 2" is the heaviest. The spring mecanisum helps at the first of the upward stroke.
 
A cam mechanism picks up the weight in the center of the wheel and raises them up approximately 4". After the cam, the actuator arm brings it the rest of the way. (8"). "
 
Based on those comments, LarryC and I have developed a similar weight lifting lever system which can be hidden behind the rotor portion of Bob's unit. You have probably noticed that there are no photos of the back of the machine. The weight and springs in our picture are just shown for clarity, they are actually on the other side in Bob's unit.

Larry is currently working on detailed dimensions and will post them in a day or two.
Regards,
Charlie
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valveman

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #496 on: September 23, 2008, 02:43:10 PM »
Emailed Bob and no response.  Guess he's not interested in anyone seeing his machine.

Robert
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #497 on: September 23, 2008, 05:17:21 PM »
@ noonespecial

I like the diagram and followed the explaination.  Wasn't it also mentioned that a weight was placed on the lever?  When the actuator takes the weight the rest of the way, how does it get recharged to do this all over again?

Yes there is a pic of the rear of the machine.  I still see no indication of a lever.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2326.0;attach=12497)

Robert
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LarryC

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #498 on: September 23, 2008, 11:45:40 PM »
@all,

The following drawing has more detail dimensions on the hidden weight lifting system shown in Charlie's last drawings.

Regards, Larry
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noonespecial

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #499 on: September 24, 2008, 12:23:51 AM »
For those who can't open a .doc here's a jpg version of Larry's detail.
Regards,
Charlie

@Valveman
I don't think that Bob was referring to a literal weight but rather the force applied to the lever to lift the weights up.
Regarding the drawing, the weight will ascend to the top by centifugal force as the rotation continues and lock into the upper weight slot to be lifted again at the bottom of the rotation.
RE: pic
This is still the front side of his machine. The large pulley drives the 5K generator at the bottom.
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valveman

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #500 on: September 24, 2008, 12:36:35 AM »
Quote from: noonespecial on September 24, 2008, 12:23:51 AM
For those who can't open a .doc here's a jpg version of Larry's detail.
Regards,
Charlie

@Valveman
I don't think that Bob was referring to a literal weight but rather the force applied to the lever to lift the weights up.
Regarding the drawing, the weight will ascend to the top by centifugal force as the rotation continues and lock into the upper weight slot to be lifted again at the bottom of the rotation.
RE: pic
This is still the front side of his machine. The large pulley drives the 5K generator at the bottom.


How can that be the front?  Look at the bolts and nuts. The other pic showing the front, does not show the nuts.  That is definitely the rear.  If it is the front, then where are all the hoses?  How would you attach the large wheel with all those hoses in the way?   How would the spring shock absorber work with the bolts in the way of travel?  In fact, where are the spring shock absorbers?     My guess, they are on the other side. The brake was on the side facing front. There is no brake on this side of the shaft. If i'm wrong, please tell me where my thinking is wrong.

Robert
« Last Edit: September 24, 2008, 01:06:49 AM by valveman »
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #501 on: September 24, 2008, 12:43:21 AM »

Quote from: valveman on September 23, 2008, 05:17:21 PM
@ noonespecial

I like the diagram and followed the explaination.  Wasn't it also mentioned that a weight was placed on the lever?  When the actuator takes the weight the rest of the way, how does it get recharged to do this all over again?

Yes there is a pic of the rear of the machine.  I still see no indication of a lever.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2326.0;attach=12497)

Robert



What are the three things on the end of the shaft on top of the brick, comutator timing?? electrical timing?? rpm sensor??
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noonespecial

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #502 on: September 24, 2008, 01:35:23 AM »
Quote from: valveman on September 24, 2008, 12:36:35 AM
How can that be the front?  Look at the bolts and nuts. The other pic showing the front, does not show the nuts.  That is definitely the rear.  If it is the front, then where are all the hoses?  How would you attach the large wheel with all those hoses in the way?   How would the spring shock absorber work with the bolts in the way of travel?  In fact, where are the spring shock absorbers?     My guess, they are on the other side. The brake was on the side facing front. There is no brake on this side of the shaft. If i'm wrong, please tell me where my thinking is wrong.

Robert

I think its important to remember that Bob has built several machines. Take a look at the air cylinders in this picture with the clear plastic tubing. The other photo has hydraulic cylinders and heavy black hydraulic hose. This is a totally different machine.
Quote from: Tempest on September 24, 2008, 12:43:21 AM

What are the three things on the end of the shaft on top of the brick, comutator timing?? electrical timing?? rpm sensor??

If you look at the other photo taken from a different angle you can clearly see 3 slip ring contacts connected to a power cord. The 'brick' is actually a piece of wood. I don't know what the actual purpose of this was but could have been used to trigger a solenoid or relay to fire off the air cylinder at the proper time. Again, this is an older machine and he could have been using this to develop the machine.
Regards,
Charlie
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LarryC

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #503 on: September 24, 2008, 01:59:57 AM »
@Robert,

The pictures are of two totally different machines. In your latest pic (older Bob machine) the horizontal bars to the rear of the wheel have less width than the space in between. Based on the 2X4 holding the commutators, the bars are about 5" width and the space in between is about 7".  In Bob's new machine pic (your reply #495) the bars are about 9" width and the space in between is about 2". Also notice the total difference in the bolt pattern. In your latest pic there is one set of bolts on each bar in Bob's pic there is 2 on each bar. Also notice the rear of Bob's new machine had a 4'H X 4'W X 6'L base supporting the unit, no large wheel. Many other differences, but I grow tired of pointing them out.

The differences are obvious.

Larry
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valveman

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #504 on: September 24, 2008, 03:37:40 AM »
OK I hope you're right and I'll assume they are two different machines.

Thanks,
Robert
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #505 on: September 25, 2008, 05:21:30 PM »
In 1712, if only Johann Bessler would simply let out his secret of his perpetual gravity wheel to the world before he died, those ice in the north pole shouldn't be melting or at least very much later. The air we breath now should be so much purer. No flooding of rivers to make hydro electric. Imagine thousands upon thousands of animals, birds and species including plants, trees and forest were being wiped by building these dams.. Sigh !!
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LarryC

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #506 on: September 26, 2008, 12:28:46 AM »
Quote from: unity2zero on September 25, 2008, 05:21:30 PM
In 1712, if only Johann Bessler would simply let out his secret of his perpetual gravity wheel to the world before he died, those ice in the north pole shouldn't be melting or at least very much later. The air we breath now should be so much purer. No flooding of rivers to make hydro electric. Imagine thousands upon thousands of animals, birds and species including plants, trees and forest were being wiped by building these dams.. Sigh !!

Unity2zero,

Well stated, now are we going to let it happen again?

@All,

Recheck reply #105 by hartiberlin. The newspaper is The Lindsay Post of Ontario,Canada by Jason Bain. He is still posting at that paper so seems to still be credible.

If Bob was running his machine from an outside energy source a decent reporter would have ate him up!

Recently, there seems to be a lot of concern about other equipment laying around in his shop. Just think if every piece of old equipment in your shop was though to be part of your energy machine.

I don't know about Bob's condition after his serious auto accident and rehabilitation, so lets at least give him the benefit of the doubt.

So can anyone else try to help figure out how to get Bob's machine replicated instead of why it can't work?

Regards, Larry

 
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #507 on: September 26, 2008, 02:22:59 AM »
Larry:

With all due respect, any comments I made were not about "other equipment laying around his shop", as you put it.  My comments were directed toward the "other equipment" that was ATTACHED to his device.  (see previously posted photo enlargement.)  Just follow the hoses, it is easy to do.

I was then told that this photo was not THE machine but a previous model.  OK.  I said I don't know anything about that.  I was not aware there were multiple machines we were dealing with, and if I made that mistake, it is my fault.

But, to say that were are confusing stuff laying about his shop with his machine is very disingenuous in my opinion.  The only comments I made involved other equipment that was clearly attached to his device with high pressure hoses.

As for the reporters, I am fairly confident that not one of them would know a hydraulic pump if it bit them in the butt.  I would not use this as any "evidence" that this device works.

Bill
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #508 on: September 26, 2008, 05:00:05 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 26, 2008, 02:22:59 AM
Larry:

With all due respect, any comments I made were not about "other equipment laying around his shop", as you put it.  My comments were directed toward the "other equipment" that was ATTACHED to his device.  (see previously posted photo enlargement.)  Just follow the hoses, it is easy to do.

I was then told that this photo was not THE machine but a previous model.  OK.  I said I don't know anything about that.  I was not aware there were multiple machines we were dealing with, and if I made that mistake, it is my fault.

But, to say that were are confusing stuff laying about his shop with his machine is very disingenuous in my opinion.  The only comments I made involved other equipment that was clearly attached to his device with high pressure hoses.

As for the reporters, I am fairly confident that not one of them would know a hydraulic pump if it bit them in the butt.  I would not use this as any "evidence" that this device works.

Bill


Hello Bill,

Not all directed at you, but actually the photo that you were using is the latest machine design as far as I understand.

And yes, a reporter may not know a hydraulic pump if it bit them in the butt, but they would notice if any external device is attached to the machine and question relentlessly.

However, I do agree with X0013 that it is a pool pump below the rear table, as I have seen several, and with AB Hammer that it is an optical illusion that they seem connected.

The machine is on approximately a 4'H X 4'W X 6'D base, the table with the pool pump is to the rear of the base. Look at the way the top of the machine base on the upper right side veers to the center of the picture. If that bottom small pool pump hose was hooked to the rotating arm it would get ripped off.

But, If you don't agree, then we agree to disagree.

Now, I am not familiar with high pressure hydraulic pumps, but why does the hose just below the center seem to crumple up like a garden hose?

Also, I would appreciate your input on the cylinders and hoses on Bob's machine, but please disregard the rear pool pump hoses.

Thanks, Larry

   
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !
« Reply #509 on: September 27, 2008, 06:46:47 PM »
@ Larry:

I appreciate your attitude.  I still believe the pump in the photo was connected to the device, but, of course, I could be wrong.  So we can agree to disagree on that.  As far as the hoses you mentioned, I am not sure which photo you are speaking about?  Would you mind posting the photo and maybe put an arrow to the hoses or just describe where they are?  I just want to make sure I am not getting confused on which photo is of which device.  I have seen a device with the high pressure hoses and then I have seen a device with just regular plastic air lines of much smaller diameter.  I believe it is normal for a guy like Bob, or any of us for that matter, to have several variations of a device as it progresses through its design stages.  This part does not bother me at all.

On the photo in a recent above post, I do see the "switching" mechanism someone mentioned on the shaft of the device.  Yes, to me this appears to be a timing control device of some kind, which makes sense.  What I am not sure about is where the power comes from to run these pick-ups?  I know he has it hooked to a generator but the output from that would, to my way of thinking, be too high, and also, not consistent as it would vary with rpm's.  If it were me, I would run the switches off a battery and then dump the generator juice into the battery, or bank of batteries.  What are your thoughts on this?

Again, I appreciate your attitude in wanting to discuss this as opposed to argue about it.  The only person that really KNOWS for sure is Bob.  I guess the best the rest of us can do is to speculate, guess, discuss, and exchange ideas and theories.  Take care.

Bill
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