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Cloxxki

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German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« on: March 31, 2023, 12:41:41 AM »
Link to TV station website with video:

https://deggendorf.niederbayerntv.de/mediathek/video/wasserrad-fuer-die-garage-wie-eine-erfindung-aus-wallersdorf-die-welt-veraendern-soll/

Very short synopisis of presentation for non German speakers:

Former ship captain came to his passion for pumps when his ship needed a pump and there was no way to source one in time. He put something together with parts available to him.

Supposedly has customers lined up in Scandinavia.
Delivery time 4 months.

The wheel drives an electric motor which runs the pump.

It takes a manual start and from then the wheel just runs.
He's been working at this for 30 years, the other gentleman has been helping out for the last 2.

(Patent from 2012 attached)

Basic Google translation from German document:

(54) Designation: Rotary vane pump (57)

Summary: The invention relates to rotary vane pump (6), which comprises a housing (1) with a rotary vane rotor (3, 12) mounted on both sides in the housing (1), in which radially to a rotary axis movable lamellas (10) in the rotary vane rotor (3, 12) are arranged, which are arranged between an inlet (7) and an outlet ( 8) and a rotary vane rotor outer wall (9) and a Rotary vane rotor sliding surface (13) of a perimeter wall of the Housing (1) form a pump chamber (11). It is provided that the rotary vane rotor (3, 12) has rotor transport chambers (17; 17A-17H), which form as a pump chamber (11) a rotor and lamellar clearance (2) for transporting a medium.

Description The invention relates to a rotary vane pump having the features mentioned in the generic term. Circulating pumps, including so-called rotary vane pumps or vane pumps are known. Rotary vane pumps have a rotor, the essentially radially movable rotary vane has. The sealing valves are mounted individually and are guided independently of each other in the rotor. The sealing vanes (fins) are either supported by centrifugal forces or springs, here in this case by rings, where through them on a perimeter wall of a pump housing by Forced control can be pressed and thus be able to absorb vacuum. The pressure and volume flow is caused by the fact that the lamellae form closed chambers and thus transport the entire liquid volume with pressure increase from the inlet to the outlet.
For rotary vane pumps, the forces transmitting the rotary vane to the rotary vane rotor and thus to the drive shaft is limited by the fact that: the possible force absorption of the drive shaft does not may be exceeded. Lower speeds with At the same time, high conveying capacities and conveying pressures, whereby an energy-saving conveyance of the Rotary vane pump has already been with the patent EP 1279834, patent holder Hermann Lidlgruber. A further difficulty is the identification of problematic substances, in particular media and the contain a lot of mud, sand, stones and coarse rubbish to pump. Biopower plants, waste recycling for Energy generation urgently needs pumps that are able to transport these media.

The Inventor has set himself the task of creating this Problem to solve, which he has succeeded with the design of this invention. This rotary vane pump according to the invention also has the advantage, to bring a further force input, further higher volume and to transport sand, mud, stones and coarse rubbish and even gentler to pump. The invention shows a rotary vane pump whose rotor consists of one piece with the axis of rotation, centering shaft and drive shaft.
The Rotor has milled rotor transport chambers. Through these large rotor transport chambers, a large volume can be transported, even larger impurities, mud, stones, solid media and also vacuum.
By the chambers, which are represented by the Lamellae are closed, the mentioned media can be conveyed in full height in gentle operation from input to output. The transport chambers have yet another advantage: The slats are pressure-relieved. The pump requires much less energy due to the large pump volume.

1) the pump can transport a particularly large volume,
2) it can transport major impurities and solid media,
3) it works very gently,
4) through the transport chambers are the slats pressure-relieves, which makes the pump resistant to repair.
5) the pump requires much less energy than other pumps.

List of reference characters

1 housing
2 rotor and lamellar clearance for material transport
3 rotary vane rotor
4 space for control rings
5 A + B control rings
6 rotary vane pump
7 Inlet/outlet pump turns right and to the left
8 Outlet/Inlet
9 Rotary vane rotor outer wall
10 rotary vane vane valves
11 Pump room
12 rotor consists of one piece (rotor part, Rotary axis, drive shaft and centering shaft
13 Rotary vane rotor sliding surface
14 Rotary vane rotor inner wall shaft
15 Liquid flow
16 d1 diameter
17 milled rotor transport chamber
18 lids

Cloxxki

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2023, 01:31:58 AM »
What I can gather from the document:

Vanes close off the chambers that transport contents from inlet to outlet.
Pump housing radius increases, but the self adjusting vanes seal it off anyway.
Due to expanding volume, a vacuum is introduced.

Might the vertical path after the pump be part of the "trick"
Would you leave the setup as described, letting water cavitate and implode on the way up, or introduce atmospheric air while you have the vacume and the pump running well to seal off against reverse flow?

At 17F, the chamber size is minimized, minimum volume of cavitated water and/or vacuum sent from outlet side back to inlet.
At 17C a larger and still expanding scoop of water mixed with a partial exhaust volume is taken in.
At 17A, the volume is at maximum just before the outlet is reached.

I hope I have that the right way up.

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2023, 11:00:24 AM »
It looks honest....

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AlienGrey

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2023, 11:40:06 AM »
It's old hat. Look on you tube there are simpler ones than that pumping gallons far up hills
from ponds and Rivers. Most of them are Asian vids, Perhaps we can learn from our Asian
friends.

Sil

Cloxxki

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2023, 12:51:43 PM »
It's old hat. Look on you tube there are simpler ones than that pumping gallons far up hills
from ponds and Rivers. Most of them are Asian vids, Perhaps we can learn from our Asian
friends.

Sil
If the Asians show drawings and parts, they might be as open as these Germans.
Since these guys are putting themselves out there laying parts bare, perhaps they deserve this forum's attention?

Have you specifically seen vacuum to bring OU results?
I have some mega scale water pumping applications in mind for which self running pumps would be half of the solution.

Cloxxki

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2023, 12:57:38 PM »
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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2023, 03:16:16 PM »
Quote
Very short synopisis of presentation for non German speakers:

Former ship captain came to his passion for pumps when his ship needed a pump and there was no way to source one in time. He put something together with parts available to
him.

Supposedly has customers lined up in Scandinavia.
Delivery time 4 months.

The wheel drives an electric motor which runs the pump.

It takes a manual start and from then the wheel just runs.
He's been working at this for 30 years, the other gentleman has been helping out for the last 2.
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This is remarkable…..how to manifest a gain mechanism which would self run and make more power?
(Victor Schauberger ?)

And we should be able to visit him to purchase?
Going to see if we have anyone close by who could get a demonstration of it working.

Thanks
Chet

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2023, 03:18:49 PM »
Well, I just got an email from a friend, that he himself visited these 2 inventors a few years back..
There the machine did not work yet selfrunning...
Maybe they are still working on it ??
He also doubted that they will get it to selfrun..
I tried to call just now the TV station, but today it was already a bit too late in the day...

Will try again next week.
Regards, Stefan.

Cloxxki

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2023, 04:26:42 PM »
Thanks for your efforts, Stefan!

@Anyone: What are the losses usually seen in conventional pumps tasked to overcome vertical distance?
If they are close to unity with a very unrefined water wheel, the pump itself might still be exceedingly efficient.

Say, there may be an anomalous situation with limited back pressure from cavitated water pumped up <2 meters.
Especially with that down pointing final exhaust. Assuming the water has lost most of its cavitation by then, the water coming down over the top is denser than coming up towards the top at the same level.
The idea of introducing at at one or more points after the pump fascinates me, I wonder whether they do that. It's the kind of situation many will encounter but perhaps few will never know, because there would be no visible spillage. Even withy the pump pushing and the water weighing itself down, at the point of the least, the pressure of the water may well be under 1 bar and this suck in air. De-cavitation occurs, but without the associated density increase. You'd be pumping water up higher for the rating of the pump motor, but how will water volume be affected? Does the pump motor feel what happens downstream, through a volume of capitate outflowing water?
I suspect a narrower pipe after the pump will be advantageous to speed up the flow and get the vacume to exist for longer (and higher).

I'm sure some of the brilliant minds on this forum will know ways to rapid prototype such a pump and test it against conventional designs. It's water, everyone has the best fittings on hand! :-D

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2023, 05:00:28 PM »
Free energy water pump plus femail tuition can't be bad!~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycZLAlJVS8U

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2023, 05:46:12 PM »
Free energy water pump plus femail tuition can't be bad!~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycZLAlJVS8U


If you think that video is not fake you are on the wrong forum.  You need to find a fantasy forum.


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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2023, 06:19:24 PM »
If the Asians show drawings and parts, they might be as open as these Germans.
Since these guys are putting themselves out there laying parts bare, perhaps they deserve this forum's attention?

Have you specifically seen vacuum to bring OU results?
I have some mega scale water pumping applications in mind for which self running pumps would be half of the solution.


The vacuum is set up initially (in the asian device), then depletes over time.
Vacuum must be restored. The advantage they gain is being able to store the pump energy in a vacuum for later use without constant pumping by hand.

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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2023, 10:24:04 PM »

The vacuum is set up initially (in the asian device), then depletes over time.
Vacuum must be restored. The advantage they gain is being able to store the pump energy in a vacuum for later use without constant pumping by hand.
Ah, a vacume battery. Great energy density if you discount the container.

Might there be a difference between creating a vacume to pump water up to the inlet versus introducing the vacume to neutral pressure water inflow and directing the output wisely for high efficiency in a specific task?
Even at low rpm, the German pump would seem to achieve a significant pressure difference, without creating a high pressure on the output. A long vertical exhaust pipe or low flow rate could have the bottom end up being high pressure, but the pump would be adding cavitating water to that. Fast collapse of the vacuum? Shockwave that pushes water out the exhaust?

Might a Tesla valve be added directly downstream from the pump to alleviate backflow and allow the cavitation to have the longest possible travel downstream?



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Re: German inventor presents self running water wheel on TV
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2023, 02:58:08 AM »
A vacuum is to do with air, your confusing a giraffe and a bulldozer, this is a fluid and its called hydraulics'.

Sil