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Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #165 on: January 13, 2019, 12:28:38 AM »

Every component in CZero works with others.
I made it that way.
If you remove anything from circuit it will become useless.
You can remove diode or two, but that's it.
I separated it in 3 separate concepts.
I lost lot's of time doing that.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #165 on: January 13, 2019, 12:28:38 AM »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #166 on: January 13, 2019, 12:36:07 AM »
V8karlo,
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not a power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you better understand your circuit.

If the voltage on caps are doubled, then the power on that caps is doubled too (more than double actually).??
Capacitor of 100uF filled to 175V has more power than capacitor of 100uF 90V.

We are talking about power here. Time to accept that.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #167 on: January 13, 2019, 01:59:59 AM »
Hi

I rarely post, but I thought I would give you my honest and simple explanation of what your zero device does - the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.

Why don't you put a watt meter at the input and see what it says, then connect an identical bulb in series with an 400v AC cap directly to the watt meter - use the right cap value to match the brightness of the bulb to that one of the zero device L2 bulb (help yourself with a small solar cell and a voltmeter to detect the brightness at a fixed distance).


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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #167 on: January 13, 2019, 01:59:59 AM »
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Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #168 on: January 13, 2019, 02:17:44 AM »
Hi

I rarely post, but I thought I would give you my honest and simple explanation of what your zero device does - the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.

Why don't you put a watt meter at the input and see what it says, then connect an identical bulb in series with an 400v AC cap directly to the watt meter - use the right cap value to match the brightness of the bulb to that one of the zero device L2 bulb (help yourself with a small solar cell and a voltmeter to detect the brightness at a fixed distance).

I can ask you the same question?

You expect me to make videos and presentations for you while you drink beer in front of your screen?
My goal was to reach people who wanna to do something.
They started to contact me and I have contacts with people who are willing to do something.

Why don't you make an effort to put the meter in the circuit and get involved?
You can do that but you probably won't. It is easier to seat back and watch with the beer!
I am not laughing here. But it is true.

You wanna me to do the work for you so you can make your mind: Is it or is it not?
I can tell you this.
I did what I needed a years ago. I don't need to do this again to prove myself anything.
You are the one who needs prove.

the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.


Anything, but anything which goes into circuit must pass trough L1!
There is no other way for current to pass! There is only one path for current.

If it is redirected it must have another path to go, but there is only one wire to the circuit, trough L1.

Don't get me wrong, I am not mad at you, it was your idea that I do all the work for you.
I won't do that. If you have any other idea, post it I will answer.

Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #169 on: January 13, 2019, 02:53:29 AM »
the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.

The input energy can go only trough L1. But that small energy is multiplied in second part of circuit.
Maybe I did circuit too much simple. Maybe if I did it more complex it will work better.

Don't listen to me. All of this sounds frightening. It is not.

You have to change your mindset so you can accept others ideas.
If you have one, bring it up.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #169 on: January 13, 2019, 02:53:29 AM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #170 on: January 13, 2019, 03:10:38 AM »
v8Karlo, you approve your findings by prototype !
Physics gives you , in minimum,  three types of electric power and the measuring method :

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/

                                               https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
                                                                  Not : 0 to 1 but -1 to 1         

                          negative power factor to power factor zero to positive power factor ( |-P|  |P|)



Power : active power      ( P)

              reactive power   ( Q)

              complex power  ( S)

              apparent power  (|S|)

                                                                      POWER TRIANGLE
                                                LAGGING AND LEADING POWER FACTOR
             
                positive power factor   f.e.  0,1     |P|                  1 KW /   0,1    = 10 KVA.     source to load

                negative power factor  f. e. -0,1   |-P|                 1 KW / - 0,1    = - 10 KVA.    surplus load to source

                                                   

                                                                            complexity analysis

                                                         POSITIVE COS PHI AND NEGATIVE COS PHI

                       to understand f. e.  the " net zero energy building" program expression by the E.U.

Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #171 on: January 13, 2019, 09:40:14 AM »



C1, C2, C3 = 22uF = constant


P = U * I


I on the capacitors is constant


You have 2 cases


P = 90 * I (constant)


P = 175 * I (constant)


If the current on caps is constant, with voltage you change power.


Very simple.

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Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #172 on: January 13, 2019, 10:20:00 AM »



CZero
Sine AC, 220V grid, Europe

U = 270-300V rectified, that is why meter reads 90 and 175V on caps. On caps is DC. There are voltage drops also on diodes, but not that much.

Power on input
P = U * I




Power on output
P = ((2/3)*U) * (3*I)

2 is voltage doubler
3 is number of capacitors

Power on output is DC.

If you remove cap CZero P = ((U/3) * (I*3)) , now it is ordinary circuit which is usseles.

220V AC rectified is cca 300V DC.
That is why 90V and 175V and 525V.


Example :
220V/3 = 73V, but rectified it is cca 90V which your meter shows.


With square AC is simpler.

Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #173 on: January 13, 2019, 10:39:41 AM »



Put 2 Zero circuits with inputs in opposite phases.


Combine their outputs into one.


You have full cycle output.

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Offline citfta

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #174 on: January 13, 2019, 01:52:09 PM »


C1, C2, C3 = 22uF = constant


P = U * I


I on the capacitors is constant


You have 2 cases


P = 90 * I (constant)


P = 175 * I (constant)


If the current on caps is constant, with voltage you change power.


Very simple.

Thank you so much for that simple explanation.  You have now proven without a doubt what I have been expecting for the last couple of days.  You do NOT understand the circuit you have been posting about.  Anyone with just a very basic understanding of electronics will tell you that the current through the capacitors is not constant.  In this circuit the current is constantly CHANGING.  If the current through the caps was constant the would mean the caps were BAD.  Good caps charge up and when they are charged the current drops to ZERO except for whatever leakage current there might be.  This thread has certainly proven how confused some people are about electronics.

This will be my last post here because there is no reason for me to waste any more time trying to help you.  Everyone that has tried to help you understand your circuit has been ridiculed.  So apparently you are not interested in learning anything.  Most of the people that have tried to help you have many many years of experience in electronics but you have ignored their advice.

You need to find another forum to post to.  There are many people on this forum that will gladly help someone that wants to learn.  But arrogant people like your self will soon find they are not welcome here.



Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #175 on: January 13, 2019, 02:10:09 PM »
You do NOT understand the circuit you have been posting about.  Anyone with just a very basic understanding of electronics will tell you that the current through the capacitors is not constant.  In this circuit the current is constantly CHANGING.  If the current through the caps was constant the would mean the caps were BAD.  Good caps charge up and when they are charged the current drops to ZERO except for whatever leakage current there might be.

Hehe,

Capacitors are not linear. But, you missed everything here. Everything.
I am not talking about process of charging.

In a capacitor 22uF you can not put more charges than that capacity can hold at given voltage.
It changes with voltage. So with voltage you change power in capacitor, but you can't change capacity. Capacity is fixed, constant.
Voltage is factor which push more charges into capacitor.

So you have threshold above which you can not go with 90V.
If you have 175V in that capacitor it can hold more charges (power) than same capacitor at 90V, but still it is limited with capacity of 22uF.Capacity of 22uF does not change, it is constant!!!With voltage you regulate how much power capacitor can store.Capacitor 22uF at 175V holds more power than capacitor 22uF at 90V.
So, the power is what we are talking about here which changes with voltage in caps. Capacity stays the same.

Current is the speed how fast cap will charge to some voltage for given capacity.
Less current - it will take more time for cap to charge to given voltage at given capacity.
More current - it will take less time for cap to charge to given voltage at given capacity.

You are not only missing the point, you probably missed entire forum.

And when you put amp meter on that line it won't show how capacitors are charging.
It will show constant value. That is how you measure current.
And the current trough L1 is same value as the current trough 3 caps. It is the same current.
I presume you know how amp meter works?


This will be my last post here because there is no reason for me to waste any more time trying to help you.

You are not helping me at all.
You never did. From the beginning.


I will be glad for you not to post here.

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Offline NickZ

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #177 on: January 13, 2019, 02:46:46 PM »


Put 2 Zero circuits with inputs in opposite phases.


Combine their outputs into one.


You have full cycle output.

   Karlo:   I am using a crystal oscillator which is connected to a "diode loop", pictured below.
   The diode loop allows for both positive and negative pulses from the oscillator to be utilized by the output.
The IN4148 diodes are switching diodes, and help to increase the voltage, similar to what your capacitors are doing. The two leds bulbs that are in the middle of the diode loop are 120v 8w AC bulbs, and can light fairly bright, although not as bright as when connected to the grid. Each diode added to the loop is increasing the output voltage. Each bulb is equivalent of a 60w incandescent bulb.
  Possibly the same type of diode loop and led bulbs can be used on your type of oscillator or device to allow both polarities (full sine wave) to be used, which may give a higher bulb brightness (lumin levels) than what incandescent bulbs will do on limited input sources.
   The oscillator, (or signal generator) is on the left side of the diagram, cap C1 and C2 help to separate the polarities from the source pulses, along with the series connected twin diode loops.
   If you have questions, just let me know.                                                             
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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #179 on: January 13, 2019, 03:06:12 PM »

  Possibly the same type of diode loop and led bulbs can be used on your type of oscillator or device to allow both polarities (full sine wave)                                                       
                                                             

I did try to utilize both polarities in one circuit, but I failed. What I did is 2 Zero in opposite phases sharing 1 cap CZero.

It worked but it was too complicated.

Later I did 2 Zero circuits separated, with inputs in opposite phases.
I merged output. Minus to minus. Plus to plus.
And I got full wave output.

I know what are you trying to tell me, I tried, but I failed to do it in 1 circuit.
Maybe it can be done.

Can you send me link of that video to see what you did?

 

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