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Author Topic: Zero and Q device  (Read 12661 times)

Offline v8karlo

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #180 on: January 13, 2019, 03:16:37 PM »
   Karlo:   I am using a crystal oscillator which is connected to a "diode loop", pictured below.
   The diode loop allows for both positive and negative pulses from the oscillator to be utilized by the output.
The IN4148 diodes are switching diodes, and help to increase the voltage, similar to what your capacitors are doing. The two leds bulbs that are in the middle of the diode loop are 120v 8w AC bulbs, and can light fairly bright, although not as bright as when connected to the grid. Each diode added to the loop is increasing the output voltage. Each bulb is equivalent of a 60w incandescent bulb.
  Possibly the same type of diode loop and led bulbs can be used on your type of oscillator or device to allow both polarities (full sine wave) to be used, which may give a higher bulb brightness (lumin levels) than what incandescent bulbs will do on limited input sources.
   The oscillator, (or signal generator) is on the left side of the diagram, cap C1 and C2 help to separate the polarities from the source pulses, along with the series connected twin diode loops.
   If you have questions, just let me know.                                                             
                                                             

Your C1, C2 here are very interesting.
When you adding diodes you are adding resistance, so in C1, C2 will remain charges from that phase because of resistance, they will not empty all the way.

Whatever voltage remains in them from that phase,
in next phase they will be in serial connection with source raising (adding it's voltage to source voltage) the voltage on their line.

You are doing the same thing as CZero does, but with diodes.
Using serial connection of caps and source.

Maybe I am wrong, but it looks to me that is the case.
You can test it easily. Remove caps, if the voltage do not raise then that's it.
Just like in Zero, remove CZero, voltage is gone, and power.

OK, thanks for help!

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #180 on: January 13, 2019, 03:16:37 PM »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #181 on: January 13, 2019, 03:45:18 PM »
What you are doing is not unknown,  it is the electro-magnetical device in :
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernwaffe
 the chain reaction starter, by compact impulse !
What is written under the first picture?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator
https://www.google.com/search?q=farnsworth+fusor&client=firefox-b&oq=farnsworth+fusor&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.3...153299.156409.0.157160.6.6.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..34.mobile-heirloom-serp..6.0.0.3iAUs2knNG0

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #182 on: January 13, 2019, 03:53:30 PM »

   The oscillator, (or signal generator) is on the left side of the diagram, cap C1 and C2 help to separate the polarities from the source pulses, along with the series connected twin diode loops.
   If you have questions, just let me know.                                                             
                                                             

This is very interesting circuit.

I didn't saw before that you separating polarities!

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #182 on: January 13, 2019, 03:53:30 PM »
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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #183 on: January 13, 2019, 09:46:45 PM »
If the voltage on caps are doubled, then the power on that caps is doubled too (more than double actually).??
Capacitor of 100uF filled to 175V has more power than capacitor of 100uF 90V.

We are talking about power here. Time to accept that.
OK. Let try one last time.
 
Your statement is correct in that the 175V charged cap has more stored energy than the 90V charged cap. However, you need to understand that the increase voltage is not a free energy gain because it has been achieved by pulling additional energy from the power supply. A voltage doubler has to use both cycles of the AC supply to function. Whilst the caps 1 to 3 are discharging to L2, CZero is re-charging. You fail to show this on your current flow diagrams in your book. So, when the caps 1 to 3 are ready to re-charge from the supply, they also receive the additional peak voltage already stored in CZero from the previous cycle, thus the voltage doubling action. See this link for a full explanation on the operation of voltage doublers.
 
If you were to measure the input and output power correctly, you would find that although the current discharge from caps C1 to C3 is now just sufficient for L1 to glow, it is at the expense of a large voltage reduction measured across L1 in comparison with the combined peak voltage levels on C1 to C3.
 

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #184 on: January 13, 2019, 10:20:22 PM »
OK. Let try one last time.
 
Your statement is correct in that the 175V charged cap has more stored energy than the 90V charged cap. However, you need to understand that the increase voltage is not a free energy gain because it has been achieved by pulling additional energy from the power supply. A voltage doubler has to use both cycles of the AC supply to function. Whilst the caps 1 to 3 are discharging to L2, CZero is re-charging. You fail to show this on your current flow diagrams in your book. So, when the caps 1 to 3 are ready to re-charge from the supply, they also receive the additional peak voltage already stored in CZero from the previous cycle, thus the voltage doubling action. See this link for a full explanation on the operation of voltage doublers.
 
If you were to measure the input and output power correctly, you would find that although the current discharge from caps C1 to C3 is now just sufficient for L1 to glow, it is at the expense of a large voltage reduction measured across L1 in comparison with the combined peak voltage levels on C1 to C3.


Ok, you are right.


Can you tell me did you made the input output  power measure?


I am asking you that because I am waiting for measurement results from few other people.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #184 on: January 13, 2019, 10:20:22 PM »
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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #185 on: January 13, 2019, 10:55:39 PM »

Ok, you are right.


Can you tell me did you made the input output  power measure?


I am asking you that because I am waiting for measurement results from few other people.
No, not on your specific circuit but I have measured power levels on other circuits using voltage doubling circuitry.

Please understand that I'm simply giving you the accepted understanding of how this type of circuitry functions within the conventions of electrical principles. I am not here to give you a set of test measurements and I'm not intending, after your harsh and disrespectful worded replies to me and others just trying to help you gain a better understanding, to post any further on this thread. Its up to you whether you still continue to believe that your circuit is amplifying power.

Best wishes.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 10:45:16 AM by Hoppy »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #186 on: January 13, 2019, 11:36:55 PM »

I just received measurements of J circuit.
Load is 10ohm.

You helped Hoopy. Thanks. It is reasonable that you don't have to measure anything.
I respect your view.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #186 on: January 13, 2019, 11:36:55 PM »
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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #187 on: January 14, 2019, 12:24:01 AM »
   Looks like the feed back circuit is returning less than 100mA to the 12v battery. Which would not keep the battery up for very long, if a 25w bulb or bigger bulb were used as the load.
   But, there is no actual output readings, at the bulb, to compare with the input current.
   Karlo: here is a link to the "double diode loop" by Dr. Stiffler.
   https://youtu.be/8VRqf8E8VIM
   I also have some videos about that circuit, or at least my versions of the Docs device, if interested.
   You can look on youtube,  just search for my name, Nick Zec.
   Or for my youtube channel.   Here is my last video about the diode loop.: https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc
« Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 03:59:21 AM by NickZ »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #188 on: January 14, 2019, 08:20:47 AM »
1 circuit,  cycle 90% peak efficiency :
------------------------------------------
1 . cycle 100% in    90% out

2 . cycle   90% in    81% out

3 . cycle   81% in    73% out

..   cycle.   .  % in.  +-0% out

COMBINED "TOTAL WORK CYCLES " OUTPUT ( 90% + 81% + ...... ) FROM THE BEGINNINGS "100%" !?
                                                     result/ numbers of cycles : average efficiency
                            peak cycle efficiency : average cycle efficiency : coefficient of work performance
.................
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306121298_Mandelstam-Papalexi-Bethenod_Generator_a_Parametric_Dynamo
different research view and kinds and modi about :
https://www.google.com/search?q=parametric+generator+papalexi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
Melde-Rayleigh-Experiment et cet.
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                                 C. O. P.  actually in average of industrial split-heat pumps :

                 U.S. gov studies end70'/80'/90'/.... and DE FRAUNHOFER INSTITUTES 201...
                                           < = 1 , not P but PE is the source calculation divisor :

                                average heat pump work C.O.P. :  < 2,0.  / (  average PE/ electric P  ) C.O.P. :  - 2,0         
                                   Primary Energy (PE~" Power") / Electric Energy ( "Electric Power")

                                                                  < 2,0 / - 2 =

                                                                  < 1 as Total on-grid C. O. P. 


                                in households cable-grid-losts .........( ? Meters cable   P- source   to   P-consumer ?)
                                               positive C. O. P. ~ gain, win and negative C. O. P. ~ losts

                                    1 important PARAMETER : CIRCUIT LENGTH ( / VELOCITY)           

                                      and the number of conversion steps ( load flow barrier)       


                   https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKirchhoffsche_Regeln     
                   BUT:     when not  :   .......=  0
                   then                 
             
                   https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAmp%25C3%25A8resches_Gesetz
                   AMPERES LAW + MAXWELL'S " DISPLACEMENT CURRENT"- extension               


                  to become an  " UNIVERSAL AMPERE- MAXWELL LAW"

                  but because AMPERE LAW = LAPLACE LAW = BIOT-SAVART LAW

                  "LAPLACE-MAXWELL LAW" AND " BIOT-SAVART-MAXWELL LAW" are equal


                   ERGO : " AMPERE-LAPLACE-BIOT-SAVART-MAXWELL UNIVERSAL LAW"
                                 
                   https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8resches_Gesetz

                           thermodynamic Carnot circuit :
                  evaporator,  condensator,  Drossel,  compressor  + fluidum ( f.e.  Butanol- liquid  - 78°C)

                          electrodynamic Carnot charge acceleration/deceleration  circuit  :

                                                                              Drift-Strom             

                                                  Raumladungsdichte x Driftgeschwindigkeit
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FElektrische_Stromdichte
« Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 02:13:37 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #188 on: January 14, 2019, 08:20:47 AM »
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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #189 on: January 14, 2019, 01:06:56 PM »
   Looks like the feed back circuit is returning less than 100mA to the 12v battery. Which would not keep the battery up for very long, if a 25w bulb or bigger bulb were used as the load.
   But, there is no actual output readings, at the bulb, to compare with the input current.
   Karlo: here is a link to the "double diode loop" by Dr. Stiffler.
   https://youtu.be/8VRqf8E8VIM
   I also have some videos about that circuit, or at least my versions of the Docs device, if interested.
   You can look on youtube,  just search for my name, Nick Zec.
   Or for my youtube channel.   Here is my last video about the diode loop.: https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc


It draws from battery 90mA an returning 110mA.


But it also means that primary coils eats 200mA and returning 110mA. That coil is only 50% efficient.


Great way to see efficiency of transformer.

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #190 on: January 15, 2019, 10:50:55 AM »
theres beautifully crafty and sly person in the forum that try to misdirection correct path in smart energy device. Keep up the good work Vkarlo8 .. thumbs up

Tito, Dave45 and Chris Skies and other great experimenter get the same experience like u ... Just ignore and b cool mr. vkarlo. KEEP FAITH

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #190 on: January 15, 2019, 10:50:55 AM »
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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #191 on: January 15, 2019, 12:17:33 PM »
theres beautifully crafty and sly person in the forum that try to misdirection correct path in smart energy device. Keep up the good work Vkarlo8 .. thumbs up

Tito, Dave45 and Chris Skies and other great experimenter get the same experience like u ... Just ignore and b cool mr. vkarlo. KEEP FAITH




Thx, but there is nothing to worry about.


At the end of the day when dust settles, they will all seat at the bench and try, no matter how much they were against it.


The process needs time.


But there is a lot more people who loved idea of sharing and trying. A lot more than I expected.


So, thanks. If I will have something new, I will share it.


Stay good!

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #192 on: January 20, 2019, 09:56:34 AM »
not yet ... but getting ready to test. ( zero device )
Verify ... please

THE TRANSISTOR not right specs .. is there alternative ...Vkarlo ?
« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 02:17:44 PM by densama »

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2019, 03:33:29 PM »
   V8Karlo:   
   The idea with the video linked below, by Dr. Stiffler, is to show how a small input source from the signal generator can be increased to provide for higher amperage and voltage, by the use of his series connected "diode loop" and capacitor.    Perhaps this has some similarities to your circuits. 
   I'm just trying to understand where any "extra power" may be coming from, and why. 
   Out of thin air...                             NickZ
   https://youtu.be/sgKetMbQMGY

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Re: Zero and Q device
« Reply #194 on: January 20, 2019, 05:23:03 PM »
from the inductance of the wires and the effect is tapping the earth magnetic field

 

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