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Title: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 05:18:12 AM
The Zero Device.

Device has extra light and extra heat on output.

For now nobody from this forum replicated it.
However, I received 2 mails outside this forum from people who made and it worked.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 05:18:31 AM
J Half Bridge circuit.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 05:43:57 AM
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Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: vasik041 on January 05, 2019, 08:45:44 AM
Hi v8karlo,
Are you considering your devices as Free Energy devices ?
Regards,-V.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 05, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Hi V8carlo,
Why waste energy running a push-pull trafo, just to light a bulb that could be supplied direct from source?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
Hi v8karlo,
Are you considering your devices as Free Energy devices ?
Regards,-V.

It does not look complicated to me.
Just try them.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 02:04:20 PM
Hi V8carlo,
Why waste energy running a push-pull trafo, just to light a bulb that could be supplied direct from source?

And when you need AC?

Just plug it do DC source?
Bulb is output. If I draw transformer would you ask me the same question?

Is this circuit more efficient than standard half bridge converter, transformer?
It has the same characteristics as half bridge (output - 1/2 input voltage),
but this circuit returns energy to source and standard half bridge does not.
This is half bridge converter. (It's structure is mix of push pull and half bridge).
I use it in my circuits when I need AC for the past few years.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 02:33:38 PM
You all want 2 kW ready to use device with schematics.
It does not go that way!
It is other way around.
You find something small, and make it better and better, and develop it.

I share my experiments! If you don't like them. It's easy.
Just turn around and walk away!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Zero and Q circuits is AC input.Q is AC input and AC output.

Can you use Zero circuit on the output of J Half Bridge (or Q)?
Can you merge or stack this circuits together?
Can you stack 2 Q circuits?
Can you use 2 Zero devices with opposite phase input.
If you merge their output you have full cycle dc output with more extra light and heat.


Why use them separate?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 05, 2019, 03:03:44 PM
And when you need AC?

Just plug it do DC source?
Bulb is output. If I draw transformer would you ask me the same question?

No, because you would not then have a need to be claiming anything special.

Have you measured energy ratios or are you just comparing voltage / current levels? I ask this because you make no mention of energy calculations in your 'book' and yet you talk in terms of improved energy efficiency.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 03:10:17 PM
No, because you would not be claiming anything special.

Have you measured energy ratios or are you just comparing voltage / current levels? I ask this because you make no mention of energy calculations in your 'book' and yet you talk in terms of improved energy efficiency.

You ask me to measure and present everything to you as expert.
You make the circuit and measure it and present it back and tell me the flaws.

Anything what comes from push pull transformer must go through C1 and C2 and back to source.


It is obvious in scheme. If you remove feedback, circuit stops.
Feedback line is the only path for energy to flow from transformer.

You just have to use that energy on its path. That's all.

C1 and C2 together acts as a pit for energy which can never be filled,
because of law of serial connection. It will always pull energy from transformer,
and automatically push it back to source.


C1 and C2 are always at lower voltage level then source.
And yet, together they will always overcome the source.


So whatever you got from transformer is pushed back to source.

The J circuit is looping energy. There is always losses, of course.

Probably you did't even look at such simple scheme.
What if there is hundred components on scheme?
I have only 2 capacitors and 2 diodes and you can not grasp principle.

I put it here, if you wanna look at it, be my guest.

I shared, you don't have to build it. It's that simple.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 05, 2019, 03:24:05 PM
Hello v8karlo,  nice and smart arrangement !Which of them , C1 and C2, shall I call Flip and which Flop, recusing that the arrangement is a "flopp" !
Remembering me Dr. PAVEL Imris "capacitive winding circuit" concept !
   The Laplace demon , timeless-time out- Timex(registered Trademark) : a ( -n analog, digital) watch   
    analog : "Unruh", the others call it " balance-staff",swinging-period    digital : crystal, oscillation-period
     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics))
     https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipflop (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipflop) " UNBEGRENZTE ZEIT " ~ eternal
   
   
   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_pump
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 05, 2019, 03:28:24 PM

You make the circuit and measure it and present it back and tell me the flaws.
Anything what comes from push pull transformer must go through C1 and C2 and back to source.

The burden of proof is with you, as you are making the claim of significantly improved efficiency. Your feedback is altering the impedance balance of the device and in the case the 'Q' replication in the other thread, compensates by increasing input current. Overall, there will be no significant efficiency gain from your circuitry as you are claiming.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 03:51:32 PM
The burden of proof is with you, as you are making the claim of significantly improved efficiency. Your feedback is altering the impedance balance of the device and in the case the 'Q' replication in the other thread, compensates by increasing input current. Overall, there will be no significant efficiency gain from your circuitry as you are claiming.

I don't claim anything. That is you putting the blame in my mouth!

I shared Hoopy, I shared. Nothing else!
You need somebody to blame for something, that's you!

One more time!
I shared what I did. I don't claim. And I don't have to apologize to you for nothing.
If you don't like it, just walk away. There is always nuclear resonance waiting for you.
You don't have to be here.

I spend lot's of time experimenting. And I shared result.



Was I clear enough?


If it does not work. Then it simply did not work. I tried nice concept, and I will keep trying.
You lose nothing in any case. It is only me who lost lots of time.

You and others said before that I am faking light and heat in Zero device.
Did you try to build Zero.

Such a simple circuit. Maybe is to complicated for you to build Zero?

You didn't, but you demand numbers and proof!
Be my guest with that attitude!

Expert.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 04:09:49 PM
Hello v8karlo,  nice and smart arrangement !Which of them , C1 and C2, shall I call Flip and which Flop, recusing that the arrangement is a "flopp" !
Remembering me Dr. PAVEL Imris "capacitive winding circuit" concept !
   The Laplace demon , timeless-time out- Timex(registered Trademark) : a ( -n analog, digital) watch   
    analog : "Unruh", the others call it " balance-staff",swinging-period    digital : crystal, oscillation-period
     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics))
     https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipflop (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipflop) " UNBEGRENZTE ZEIT " ~ eternal
   
   
   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_pump (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_pump)

Thanks for support.


I remember you. Nice to meet you again. It is flip-flop concept. C1 flip - C2 flop.

Now you all know why I was afraid?
Lot's of experts will chase me to the grave because I share.
They know everything and it is hard to have idea or concept and not be blamed or chased from that people.

Hehe, they are funny! They do nothing, no ideas from them.

They just wait for someone to show up so they can bring their expertise to surface.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: vasik041 on January 05, 2019, 04:23:10 PM
It does not look complicated to me.
Just try them.
Why would I try thing which obviously does not work ? ;)Many people by now explained it to you. So it seems that you mislead people deliberately.It's not good. :-X
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 04:26:34 PM
The burden of proof is with you, as you are making the claim of significantly improved efficiency. Your feedback is altering the impedance balance of the device and in the case the 'Q' replication in the other thread, compensates by increasing input current. Overall, there will be no significant efficiency gain from your circuitry as you are claiming.

What about when there is 2 sources.
Will impedance balance will be altered now? As you claim!

This is the same circuit, but returning energy to battery instead source.

There is no loop now for impedance balance claim.There is no transformer here, either.
Now it is straight forward.
What now? Any more claim?

You don't read at all? Do you?

Your reputation as expert is going down fast now.

It is about principle. As a expert you remove flaws. If you can?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 07:34:36 PM
Why would I try thing which obviously does not work ? ;)Many people by now explained it to you. So it seems that you mislead people deliberately.It's not good. :-X




Not many people. You, Void and Hoopy. Standard crew.


If it does not work, lets move to your ideas and projects!






Ooops!


There is none!




Why is that?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: vasik041 on January 05, 2019, 08:05:06 PM
Not many people. You, Void and Hoopy. Standard crew.
If it does not work, lets move to your ideas and projects!
Ooops!
There is none!
Why is that?
Do not worry, there are projects :)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 08:14:03 PM
Do not worry, there are projects :)




I can not see them anywhere.


Now you claiming something what cant be seen.


Now, you are im my position with that claim.





Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: vasik041 on January 05, 2019, 08:20:28 PM
I can not see them anywhere.
Now you claiming something what cant be seen.
Now, you are im my position with that claim.
Well, you have to learn...listen to people and use google  8)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: wistiti on January 05, 2019, 08:32:33 PM
I Have replicated the zero device and achieve the same results as yours.

Thank you for sharing your work! It is appreciate.  :)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 08:32:43 PM
Well, you have to learn...listen to people and use google  8)


I am listening. Thats why I am here.


But for now, you didnt said anything smart.


You looked at scheme and concluded it can not work.


That is not smart.


I use google a lot like everyone else.


But I didnt found working device scheme just like you didnt. Whats the difference then between us.


Oh, I forgot! You are better and smarter then me. You have your secret device and projects.



I will listen to you when you will have something smart to say.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 05, 2019, 10:13:18 PM
I Have replicated the zero device and achieve the same results as yours.

Thank you for sharing your work! It is appreciate.  :)


Thank you!


Now nobody can tell you that you can not do it.


It is not my device, it is your device!
And it is first, the zero.

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: SeaMonkey on January 06, 2019, 12:12:52 AM
A rather interesting concept.  The Feedback to Source is developed
in the Full Wave Voltage Doubler circuit.  The capacitors charge on
alternate half cycles of AC input.

The additive DC voltage developed across the series capacitors in the
Full Wave Voltage Doubler is then fed back to the DC source as pulses
of current, provided the voltage across the capacitors is sufficiently high.

A regenerative circuit which bears some similarity, in concept, to the
3BGS circuit at the other forum.  Lead-Acid batteries respond very
favorably to pulsed charging current.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 12:23:02 AM
A rather interesting concept.  The Feedback to Source is developed
in the Full Wave Voltage Doubler circuit.  The capacitors charge on
alternate half cycles of AC input.

The additive DC voltage developed across the series capacitors in the
Full Wave Voltage Doubler is then fed back to the DC source as pulses
of current, provided the voltage across the capacitors is sufficiently high.

A regenerative circuit which bears some similarity, in concept, to the
3BGS circuit at the other forum.  Lead-Acid batteries respond very
favorably to pulsed charging current.


In my experiments I used capacitor instead battery.


I put battery there only to visualy present second source or storage.


Otherwise, people will not understand what that capacitor represents.


Thats why battery.
But it can be battery also.


At the first post here you have J.pdf where I tried to explain device. Read it.


I found through experiment that if you charge caps alternate way you dont lose energy but you can raise voltage enough to overcome source. The energy is pushed back to source before next pulse.
That way you are only looping energy in circle minus losses.


Drawback is that I have on output only half of input voltage. Thats why I moved to Q topology searching for more elegant solution.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 03:07:22 AM
Tesla in his patent suggests to place inductors on feedback line at both sides.
Inductors will additionaly create back emf which adds to feedback power, creating even more feedback power.
Pulling more power from caps and maybe that way raising output voltage for a little bit.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: sparkmen on January 06, 2019, 09:21:45 AM
Thanks v8karlo for your sharing.I did some time ago this Capacitor experiment
loaded 150uf at 450v and shortcircuited with screwdriver, loud noise , ears ringed for long..not to try without protections
I’m working inside steel building , completely isolated from outside environment (no windows) Nearby desktop still working but lights 3 floors  below went off (directional EM wave that penetrate 3 layers of steel structure?) –capacitor on vertical position on table.
Tesla was right about capacitors capability of delivery very high pressure.
Now ,consider a 450v /4500uf capacitor to be loaded at 250v through minimal resistance(let say 10mohm) , according theory starting displacement current is 22KA, after 1/1000s (1ms) is loaded at 990mC and current is 4.914uA. So we have the cap loaded in less than 1ms. Is the power meter able to record the consumption, either from grid or independent supply?
What power surce can deliver 22KA?
Let say that we loaded same cap at 250v/4500uf and now we discharge it through a theoretical load of 10pOhm, initial current is 22000GA (!). That just for Tesla remembering.

Considering V8karlo system, with 20uf and half of charging voltage of 110v through a 150ohm bulb we have 733.3mA max starting displacement current, 933.25uA after 20ms, with a power dissipated on bulb of (150ohm x dv/dt)x0.020.
Repeat the step for second capacitor (add power dissipation on first bulb), then we discharge both series capacitors (220v now)  through same type of load of 150ohm, we have starting current 1.467A and after 20ms current is 1.867mA.
value of caps and voltage are just taken for calculation not what was used on previous schematics , theory is somehow we are disipating 2 x (150ohmx dv/dt)x 0.20 for charging 2 caps and we have available another power disipation of 150ohm x dv1/dt1 x 0.20(not fully discharged).
for nayseyers, thing is better have a deeper look into prior discrediting , schematic of v8karlo may look banal but who knows....
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 10:18:37 AM
Thanks v8karlo for your sharing.I did some time ago this Capacitor experiment
loaded 150uf at 450v and shortcircuited with screwdriver, loud noise , ears ringed for long..not to try without protections
I’m working inside steel building , completely isolated from outside environment (no windows) Nearby desktop still working but lights 3 floors  below went off (directional EM wave that penetrate 3 layers of steel structure?) –capacitor on vertical position on table.
Tesla was right about capacitors capability of delivery very high pressure.
Now ,consider a 450v /4500uf capacitor to be loaded at 250v through minimal resistance(let say 10mohm) , according theory starting displacement current is 22KA, after 1/1000s (1ms) is loaded at 990mC and current is 4.914uA. So we have the cap loaded in less than 1ms. Is the power meter able to record the consumption, either from grid or independent supply?
What power surce can deliver 22KA?
Let say that we loaded same cap at 250v/4500uf and now we discharge it through a theoretical load of 10pOhm, initial current is 22000GA (!). That just for Tesla remembering.

Considering V8karlo system, with 20uf and half of charging voltage of 110v through a 150ohm bulb we have 733.3mA max starting displacement current, 933.25uA after 20ms, with a power dissipated on bulb of (150ohm x dv/dt)x0.020.
Repeat the step for second capacitor (add power dissipation on first bulb), then we discharge both series capacitors (220v now)  through same type of load of 150ohm, we have starting current 1.467A and after 20ms current is 1.867mA.
value of caps and voltage are just taken for calculation not what was used on previous schematics , theory is somehow we are dissipating 2 x (150ohmx dv/dt)x 0.20 for charging 2 caps and we have available another power disipation of 150ohm x dv1/dt1 x 0.20(not fully discharged).
for nayseyers, thing is better have a deeper look into prior discrediting , schematic of v8karlo may look banal but who knows....

Hello Sparkmen and welcome!

Any idea is welcome here, I am trying to read your text and grasp what you did.
But I see you are good with calc and numbers. And when I saw 250v/4500uf, well, lots of energy.
It could be dangerous. Be careful with that thing!
Everybody thinks that solution lies in complex things, but I can tell you it is not true.Solution lies in simplicity.
I was searching for solution for more than 15 years, 10 years of active experimenting and 5 in thinking. I have 1 scope and 1 digital meter and some money for parts, and my mind.
Because of that limiting factors I was forced to  think more and then, and only then I started to get results.It not come overnight, but over the many years.
I finished high school for electrical engineering and I have bachelor of Information science, faculty VSite Zagreb,but most of my knowledge I gained through learning, trying and failing most of the time.
I received lots of positive responses on my mail from people outside this forum. There are 4 successful replication of Zero outside this forum and 1 in this forum thanks to wistiti member.

In my eyes wistiti did more than many experts on this forum. He was open minded enough to try.

I did my research open source because I realized that is the only way. There is no other way. The power of big corporations lies in secrecy, but power of people lies in numbers. Open source will bring equality for all. Fair start for everyone.

Thanks for the post and stay open minded!
And yes, capacitors are powerful things!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 10:47:32 AM
The only other member here who is trying day after day and that member is Westly.
The other members bully him day after day and he does not lose his spirit.
Maybe he does not have working device but he did more for this forum then I will ever do.

This forum is alive because of him. The other members are feeding on his life energy.

It is hard for me to watch that.

He never stopped, he never rested and he always has some idea!
I am sorry Wesley why they treated you that way!

You will succeed, and for me you already did!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: sparkmen on January 06, 2019, 10:50:25 AM
hi Karlo, thanks for warning, without danger there is no excitement...no exitement=boring
well, I'm not that good in calculation but "electroDroid"app (free to download to your smart phone) was made by smarter than me people and can be used by anyone to see what teoretical calculations looks like.
ofcourse, in practice is a bit different for now as we don't have " ideal " capacitors, always is ESR involved and so on , but yet the theory show that there is something on behaviour of caps and I do believe that if we involve as well some inductance somewhere a simple yet interesting device will popup.
someday , someone will put Columbus 'egg on the table and the crewd will say: is simple and we also knew that
regards
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 10:57:19 AM
hi Karlo, thanks for warning, without danger there is no excitement...no exitement=boring
well, I'm not that good in calculation but "electroDroid"app (free to download to your smart phone) was made by smarter than me people and can be used by anyone to see what teoretical calculations looks like.
ofcourse, in practice is a bit different for now as we don't have " ideal " capacitors, always is ESR involved and so on , but yet the theory show that there is something on behaviour of caps and I do believe that if we involve as well some inductance somewhere a simple yet interesting device will popup.
someday , someone will put Columbus 'egg on the table and the crewd will say: is simple and we also knew that
regards
In this two posts you told more than others in past two days.
You are right. Few years from now all of this will look like child's play.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Jeg on January 06, 2019, 11:07:41 AM
Wow! Yes. It has to be something that simple. I'll test "J" topology asap. Nice to hear from wistiti that Zero circuit worked well. Keep on the good work Karlos!

Q-topology didn't work well with my push-pull setup. But feels like that with some refinements it can become better. The general idea looks valid.

ps. Don't have to be so deffensive. If your circuits are genuine then they will tell their story by themselves.  ;)

Regards

edit: I meant deffensive..sorry
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 06, 2019, 11:33:37 AM
The only other member here who is trying day after day and that member is Westly.
The other members bully him day after day and he does not lose his spirit.
Maybe he does not have working device but he did more for this forum then I will ever do.

This forum is alive because of him. The other members are feeding on his life energy.

It is hard for me to watch that.

He never stopped, he never rested and he always has some idea!
I am sorry Wesley why they treated you that way!

You will succeed, and for me you already did!
V8karlo,

Just to put the record straight, I have a lot of respect for Wesley. In my case, you are mistaking genuine disagreements and banter for bullying. I have never been rude or disrespectful to Wesley. With regards to your zero device which I have built, yes it does work insofar as the relative brightness of the two bulbs. However, as I respectfully explained prior to your rather rude outburst at me, in my opinion it does not work for the reasoning you give in your book.

Best wishes
Hoppy
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
V8karlo,

Just to put the record straight, I have a lot of respect for Wesley. In my case, you are mistaking genuine disagreements and banter for bullying. I have never been rude or disrespectful to Wesley. With regards to your zero device which I have built, yes it does work insofar as the relative brightness of the two bulbs. However, as I respectfully explained prior to your rather rude outburst at me, in my opinion it does not work for the reasoning you give in your book.

Best wishes
Hoppy

Ok. Your words sounds honest.Wesley is a good guy. About Zero, what is your opinion?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: F6FLT on January 06, 2019, 02:24:37 PM
Ok. Your words sounds honest.Wesley is a good guy...
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.   ;D
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: AlienGrey on January 06, 2019, 02:29:46 PM
Hi V8kalo Not trying to cause waves or anything but the circuit of DC 1.1 i have doesn't work very efficiently on generating spikes to drive the Ferrox ring transformer :'(
Some of the guys having the same problem, It would appear some sort of noise gyrator device is required perhaps, I was thinking perhaps you could
show us your SG3525 and IR2110 circuit you used.
Many thanks, AG
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 06, 2019, 03:17:41 PM
It tells no one anything much at all for someone to say a circuit 'works'. :)
This is overunity.com. We don't care if circuits light bulbs. We need to know how well they light bulbs or other loads.
The way circuit performance is evaluated is by measuring the efficiency of the circuit, (or COP of the setup, if it applies).
Efficiency is (Average Power Out / Average Power In) x 100.
Without such measurements you might as well be talking about the weather here.  ;D

V8Karlo claimed this about his 'Q Device':  "Most of the output energy is returned to source."
Itsu measured an efficiency of around 32.5% with his 'Q device' test setup. So the reality is the
Q Device wastes a huge amount of energy. It does not at all 'return most of the energy to the source'.
A circuit efficiency of around 32.5% is a horrible circuit efficiency. On the other hand, if you connect a 12V
light bulb directly to a 12V battery, you will have pretty much 100% efficiency. :)

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 06, 2019, 03:39:24 PM
   It seams that what Karlo wanted is for someone to build his circuit, and confirm about the results being something anamolous, or not. But, so far there has been no indication that his circuit has merit. And the "little help" was not enough to make up for the losses. So, where do we go from here?   
  Seam like ALL the different circuits that have been built up to now, are nothing but bottlenecks, instead. Showing low efficiency, no OU, nor self running.
   Will the real OU device, please stand up...
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 06, 2019, 03:49:28 PM
A.  explended power dissipation reduction

B.  the loop exists, called superconducting energy  storage f.e. EdF,France, Unity 1= storage

C. the free energy : physics term " random fluctuation" generator exists in multiple kinds,
mostly used as    photo- electric conversion device = vulgar " solar cell "
D. Comparision:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060615030624/http://www.1000inventions.com:80/country.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20060615030624/http://www.1000inventions.com:80/country.htm)   

 Nigeria : AUDIO POWER TRANSISTOR SOLAR PANEL

E. -ntertaiment : closed loop : donut type : bicycle inner tube  charging with air or water ?             
                 and then ? overcharging ? "charging pump/ re/- actor " to "charge  bomb" ?                 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 05:35:05 PM

V8Karlo claimed this about his 'Q Device':  "Most of the output energy is returned to source."


In J device ALL the energy from transformer in both phases is returned to source simply
because there is no other way for energy to go. The feedback loop is the only path
for current to flow. J circuit has limitation. Output is half (1/2) voltage from input.
Because of that I moved to Q topology.

Goal is to make Q which returns energy to source in both phases like J and then
ALL of the energy will be returned to source just like in J.

My apologies for that claim because right now Q is returning energy only in
one phase and your observation is true.


Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Jeg on January 06, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
If Karlos doesn't mind, i'd like to attach here one more circuit of the same way of thinking. It is for the experimenters. The waveform of the returned energy back to the source, was attached at the Kapanadje thread before few days. If A.G likes to bring it here it would be appreciated.

I don't recommend anyone to build it from scratch. It is just for showing you here that if potential become higher than input then a good portion of energy can return back to the source and raising this way the efficiency.
All coils 1:1
 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 05:45:33 PM
   It seams that what Karlo wanted is for someone to build his circuit

   Will the real OU device, please stand up...
I made my research open source so everyone interested can build that circuits.

I didn't demand for you to build them. It is your choice (open source project).
The other thing is that circuits are so simple and can be build in 1 hour or less.
Nobody can tell that he spends weeks or months to build it.

J device is 2 diodes and 2 capacitors!! Lot of guys here already has some push pull
converter, transformer from before.

I did not make self runner.
I am still on that path to do it.
And that path is called researching and experimenting and developing.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Jeg on January 06, 2019, 05:57:38 PM
When left branch conducts, C1 is getting charged together with C2. A secondary in the middle will fire when left branch goes off, and the returned pulse is consumed across the right branch. If the same trick is applied also to the right branch, then C charges up to distraction. Still in progress.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 06:10:17 PM
Currently I am on Q topology, trying to find how to feedback
energy from both phases to source.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 06:12:45 PM
If Karlos doesn't mind, i'd like to attach here one more circuit of the same way of thinking. It is for the experimenters. The waveform of the returned energy back to the source, was attached at the Kapanadje thread before few days. If A.G likes to bring it here it would be appreciated.

I don't recommend anyone to build it from scratch. It is just for showing you here that if potential become higher than input then a good portion of energy can return back to the source and raising this way the efficiency.
All coils 1:1

I don't mind at all, you are welcome for any idea.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 06:16:44 PM
Wow! Yes. It has to be something that simple. I'll test "J" topology asap. Nice to hear from wistiti that Zero circuit worked well. Keep on the good work Karlos!

Q-topology didn't work well with my push-pull setup. But feels like that with some refinements it can become better. The general idea looks valid.

ps. Don't have to be so deffensive. If your circuits are genuine then they will tell their story by themselves.  ;)

Regards

edit: I meant deffensive..sorry

Hehe, ok, no problem.

Q device isn't finished. It is start.
I am searching for way to make Q returning,
feed-backing to source in both phases, not just one phase.

Yesterday I was looking at Tesla patent 577670.
He placed inductors on feedback line on both sides.
In J device we have pulses on feedback line to source.

If I place inductors on feedback line, the back EMF will add it's
energy to feedback line.

Because feedback line energy is not lost. It goes to source.
In that case back Emf from inductors will be extra energy on that line
and it will only add energy to that line.
That is something which I have to test. For now it is idea.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 06, 2019, 06:52:19 PM
v8karlo, some " Studentenfutter" + espacenet " Baltzar von Platen" electro motor
http://rexresearch.com/platen/platen.htm (http://rexresearch.com/platen/platen.htm)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Baltzar+von+platen&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


Tesla,  later Otto von Traun ( co-op.  Hermann  Plauson) and from 2019 ten years back :

Project base
http://www.patent-de.com/20100114/DE102008032666A1.html (http://www.patent-de.com/20100114/DE102008032666A1.html)

  some developments :https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 06, 2019, 07:14:26 PM
Regarding 'returning energy back to the source'.  You have to look at how much energy is being
returned.  Returning currents through a load back to the power source in no way means all
the energy consumed by the load is returned back to source. That is a misunderstanding.
You have to think in terms of energy, not current.

The energy dissipated in the load is 'consumed' energy. The current returning back to the source
through a load that is consuming energy from the power source will be at a reduced energy level.
This is because there is a voltage drop across the load.

You don't need fancy or complicated circuits to test this concept. You can just connect an efficient DC to DC boost
converter to a battery and boost the output voltage high enough so that you can connect a light bulb
(or resistor) between the boost converter output plus wire and the battery plus terminal. The light
bulb will light up and all the current passing through that light bulb returns to the battery plus terminal,
but your battery will still steadily run down. The energy consumed by the bulb is not returned to
the battery just because your setup returns all the current passing through your bulb back to the battery.

If anyone doubts this, you can easily test it if you have a DC to DC boost converter.
For example if you have a 12V battery and a suitable DC to DC boost converter, you can connect the
boost converter to the 12V battery and adjust the output voltage of the boost converter to 24V.
You can then connect a 12V light bulb between the boost converter output plus terminal and the battery
plus terminal, and all the current passing through the 12V light bulb is returning to the battery plus terminal.

Test how long it takes a fully charged 12V battery to run down to some voltage lighting a 12V light bulb directly,
compared to how log it takes to run down the same charged battery using the boost converter (at the exact same light bulb current)
with all the current from the bulb returning to the battery plus terminal. See which way is more efficient.

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 06, 2019, 07:31:13 PM
Void,  yes ! But how convert the electric cycle to an environmental energy converting device , charge pump                                   
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 08:18:38 PM

The energy dissipated in the load is 'consumed' energy. The current returning back to the source
through a load that is consuming energy from the power source will be at a reduced energy level.
This is because there is a voltage drop across the load.

Void,


In that case, what if the load has low resistance?
Actually, if the load is primary of Tesla coil (low turns)?Can you answer me, I need your opinion.

I have something on my mind.

So, my thought is:
If I use Tesla coil step up, my load is low resistance Tcoil primary.
So my primary is very low resistance.

Secondary is many turns.I step up to lets say 1000V.
Then I connect another Tesla coil on that one but step down,to retrieve amps back.
So I have step up Tcoil connected to step down Tcoil.

My question is:
Can I avoid losses what you talking about connecting two Tcoils that way.
Is that what Kapanadze is doing to avoid losses?
It just occurred to me when I read your post.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 06, 2019, 08:23:54 PM
Tesla Patent: 2 x N ~ C1,C2                                                        L: ?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 08:27:57 PM
v8karlo, some " Studentenfutter" + espacenet " Baltzar von Platen" electro motor
http://rexresearch.com/platen/platen.htm (http://rexresearch.com/platen/platen.htm)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Baltzar+von+platen&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Baltzar+von+platen&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


Tesla,  later Otto von Traun ( co-op.  Hermann  Plauson) and from 2019 ten years back :

Project base
http://www.patent-de.com/20100114/DE102008032666A1.html (http://www.patent-de.com/20100114/DE102008032666A1.html)

  some developments :https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
I am not sure what are you pointing here?
You are connecting some dots, but...
Can you be more specific?
Aha ok, i didnt't see post before.
Are you pointing the same things but with coils?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: AlienGrey on January 06, 2019, 08:49:50 PM
this type of circuit   https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/328554/sg3525-close-loop-control-circuit-feedback

Might be copyright   
 

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 06, 2019, 08:58:49 PM
v8karlo :
  last question: yes ! But capacitive !
I think you are in the " L"- stage, but soon thinking about L+ NN - readytouse
   Too fast, learn to make errors and learn the effect from " different opinion":
   science " says" c, why not ccw ?
   electromagnetic regime truth or quantum regime truth !   Later:
   what differ DC from pulsed DC from AC and Polyphase AC experimental on a pony brake !
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 06, 2019, 09:39:13 PM
Void,
In that case, what if the load has low resistance?
Actually, if the load is primary of Tesla coil (low turns)?Can you answer me, I need your opinion.

I have something on my mind.
So, my thought is:
If I use Tesla coil step up, my load is low resistance Tcoil primary.
So my primary is very low resistance.

Secondary is many turns.I step up to lets say 1000V.
Then I connect another Tesla coil on that one but step down,to retrieve amps back.
So I have step up Tcoil connected to step down Tcoil.

My question is:
Can I avoid losses what you talking about connecting two Tcoils that way.
Is that what Kapanadze is doing to avoid losses?
It just occurred to me when I read your post.

Hi V8Karlo. If you use a coil instead of a resistive load, such as a primary coil for a tesla coil,
the losses in the coil itself will be minimal, but when you draw power from the secondary it causes
more losses due to drawing higher current from your power source on the primary side, and there are
always the losses in your controller switching circuitry. You efficiency will still be less than 100%.
However, if your tesla coil setup or whatever coil setup can draw in extra energy from outside the system,
then you would have a chance of reaching COP > 1. Kapandze's setup would have to be drawing in a lot
of extra energy from outside his setup to be able to self loop and also power several kW's of light bulbs.

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 10:44:33 PM
You efficiency will still be less than 100%.
However, if your tesla coil setup or whatever coil setup can draw in extra energy from outside the system,
then you would have a chance of reaching COP > 1.
I know that this system can not be  COP>1.

I never wanted to reach COP>1 with this system.
It is impossible to reach COP>1 with this system.
I count on losses.
I need COP 0.7 or COP 0.8.
As much as I can return to source.
Additional 0.2 will be added from load.


That is my idea.
That is what I am talking all the time.
In that case I am looping energy in circle and using
whatever reminds.

(Kapanadze is adding only a little to his system from load,
and if his bulbs are in parallel then his output has little resistance)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 10:58:10 PM
v8karlo :
  last question: yes ! But capacitive !
I think you are in the " L"- stage, but soon thinking about L+ NN - readytouse
   Too fast, learn to make errors and learn the effect from " different opinion":
   science " says" c, why not ccw ?
   electromagnetic regime truth or quantum regime truth !   Later:
   what differ DC from pulsed DC from AC and Polyphase AC experimental on a pony brake !

Can you be little more specific?

Q system overcomes J limitations, but I need it in both phases.
Then I can stack Q and Q.
Q input is AC and Q output is AC.
Output of one Q can be input for another Q.
QQ - is that what you suggest?

Or did you think about QZero?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 06, 2019, 10:59:26 PM
Ok. Your words sounds honest.Wesley is a good guy. About Zero, what is your opinion?
Please read my posts from page 125 onwards on Wesley's thread.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 11:04:11 PM
Please read my posts from page 125 onwards on Wesley's thread.
OK.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 06, 2019, 11:13:33 PM
I know that this system can not be  COP>1.

I never wanted to reach COP>1 with this system.
It is impossible to reach COP>1 with this system.
I count on losses.
I need COP 0.7 or COP 0.8.
As much as I can return to source.
Additional 0.2 will be added from load.


That is my idea.
That is what I am talking all the time.
In that case I am looping energy in circle and using
whatever reminds.

(Kapanadze is adding only a little to his system from load)

Hi V8Karlo. You still seem to be overlooking that if you power a 12V light bulb from
a 12V battery directly that the efficiency will be for all intents and purposes 100%. 
You just can't beat that without drawing in extra energy from outside your setup. :)

A very efficient DC to DC converter circuit can have an efficiency at about the mid 90's %
or so at lower power output.

No matter what scheme you try with these types of arrangements, and I have experimented with
some different approaches, you will always be less than 100% efficient, which is always worse
than powering a 12V load directly with a 12V battery. I hope that is more clear now.

The only way you can beat powering a load directly with a battery with no switching circuitry in between
(pretty much 100% efficiency), is to come up with an arrangement which pulls in extra energy from
outside your setup. Akula and Ruslan did not use any special circuitry, (and most likely the same for Mr. Kapanadze).
They used normal PWM driver circuits, and normal 'kacher' circuits or similar to power the tesla coil, etc.
 
If their setups are legit, then the magic in their setups is occurring because they are doing something that
caused their setups to draw in excess energy from outside their setups, not because of some small efficiency
gain they might have made in one of their driver circuits. In other words, you will never have a chance
of getting the types of results Kapanadze/Akula/Ruslan have shown with normal closed loop circuits alone, as
they are always less than 100% efficient. If you want to see a COP > 1, then you have to come up with a way
to draw in extra energy from outside your setup. That is where the 'magic' will come from.

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 11:15:28 PM

Nothing remarkable. The series connected caps are charging so fast on the first phase, that the input bulb filament cannot heat quickly enough to glow. On the second phase, the transistor is switched on and the caps discharge into the output bulb.


"The series connected caps are charging so fast."


Fast means less time.
And the current trough L2 has more time to pass.
That means also that current is passing trough L1 in less time.
Less time - Less power is passing trough L1.

10W passing trough wire in 0,5 sec , is not the same as 10W passing trough wire in 1 sec.

And you don't count that the caps are charging through L1 which has 170 ohm, so it cant be super fast.
(They just don't need lots of current, they only replenish, because L2 is 170 ohm they never
discharge much. They discharge from 220V to 175. So you have to replenish from 175V to 220V)

Now,
Remove C3. You have C1 and C2 left.
L1 light up but L2 glow with more light than L1.
Now the both bulbs glow but with different intensity.

In this case you can see that theory that speed of charging caps fast does not hold.

What about that case?

All those theories will never hold because the device is real.
Have you considered that case?

The case that device in front of you is real device.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 06, 2019, 11:55:41 PM


The Zero device has 3 variable:

Input voltage
Number of capacitors
Resistance of load (L2)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 07, 2019, 07:15:12 AM
v8Karlo,  R.A.M. and R.O.M., random access and operating : source and storage and now not memory but energy !

 F.e. solarcell-calculator with integrated capacitor/battery storage or smartphone or household devices ....
  Now you need also a CPU concept which operate the output : variable or fix load!?
  But it is ever variable : the  consumer/ load demand !  You need the inertia/ inrush period controle ( up to 10 times the nominal VA steady demand value )!
 
 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 07, 2019, 04:38:48 PM
V8karlo wrote: -

"Now,
Remove C3. You have C1 and C2 left.
L1 light up but L2 glow with more light than L1.
Now the both bulbs glow but with different intensity.

In this case you can see that theory that speed of charging caps fast does not hold.

What about that case?"

V8karlo,Simplify your zero circuit by removing the transistor, leaving just the front-end diodes D1 - D4 and all four caps. Now, with the mains supply connected and L1 not glowing, please shunt all three caps C1 to C3 with a 1K resistor. Why does L1 glow but fails to glow when the transistor and the remaining diodes are in circuit acting as a much lower resistance shunt? If you can answer this question, it will go some way to explain why L2 glows whilst L1 does not. Also bear in mind that capacitors have reactance (AC resistance) at 50Hz and that bulbs require current as well as voltage to glow - clue to why L1 glows when C3 is removed from circuit.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 07, 2019, 05:16:03 PM
V8karlo,
Simplify your zero circuit by removing the transistor, leaving just the front-end diodes D1 - D4 and all four caps. Now, with the mains supply connected and L1 not glowing, please shunt all three caps C1 to C3 with a 1K resistor. Why does L1 glow but fails to glow when the transistor and the remaining diodes are in circuit acting as a much lower resistance shunt? If you can answer this question, it will go some way to explain why L2 glows whilst L1 does not. Also bear in mind that capacitors have reactance (AC resistance) at 50Hz and that bulbs require current as well as voltage to glow - clue to why L1 glows when C3 is removed from circuit.


Hoopy,




You have the circuit, do what ever you want with it.


I am tired of you and your questions.


You are no scientist, your claims does not hold.


You are bully on this forum.


This forum has to deal with you and people like you if it wants to live.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 07, 2019, 05:35:45 PM
I did what I wanted.


I delivered my work to the others.
That was my goal.
You were never variable in that process.


I can rest now.


I like to speak with normal people here,
but not with you.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 07, 2019, 05:46:04 PM
Hoopy,


Because of you and your crew of bullyes,


Lots of people dont want to post here, they write to me via mail rather.


They are affraid of your attacks.


The owner of forum should see that you are killing his forum.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 07, 2019, 06:23:12 PM
Hello v8karlo,
I only saw some moments before your post before #57 and your listening and question!?

Without great bla-bla: time out for me - you want " specific" and clear answer -
for thinking and right constructive answer searching and giving !
Have a nice evening ( in Zagreb or elsewhere)
OCWL
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 07, 2019, 06:35:10 PM
Hello v8karlo,
I only saw some moments before your post before #57 and your listening and question!?

Without great bla-bla: time out for me - you want " specific" and clear answer -
for thinking and right constructive answer searching and giving !
Have a nice evening ( in Zagreb or elsewhere)
OCWL


I gave you all my work.
You have it. I dont have to defend it, it is public now.
Everyone can try it and make their own conclusions.
You dont need me for that.


If I come up with something new, I will post it.
It is night here and I have 12h shift to work.
I dont have much free time like many of you,
but still i found time to post all of this.
So, dont be angry on me.


Circuits are public, try them, or not. Thats point of open source.


For start, I am not angry on you if you dont try them.



Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 07, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
v8karlo,I am not angry about you, no reazon.
The "bla-bla" is  not you and your posts related but the many others content response.
My " b-b" partiell included.

 A common question about induction is :

  First savings:
 How much can be saved for the same physical output

  Second savings:
  How much can be saved for a same " Phantom/Placebo"-energy output


  "Phantom": we humans have got a relatively slow physiologic body-organ( eye, skin) action/ reaction time

  heater :    body-heat related : the energetic need and process    https://embrlabs.com/ (https://embrlabs.com/)
                                                                                         
                     https://spinoff.com/wristify here "Technology": 0,1°C ~ several degrees

  light : eye : CFF : critical fusion frequency
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)

   E-nano-coating-wear : 12 Watt sufficient , with-/ out resonant recapture circuit ?

   Each optimizing step brings us all, optimists/ pessimists - one step forward -
   with-/out conversation-misunderstandings.

 
   Have a good night and greetings from the cold ( actually brr 12°C )southwest of Europe
   OCWL


  Coil Titanium coating ? Stupid  ?

 http://rexresearch.com/sun/sun.htm (http://rexresearch.com/sun/sun.htm)

https://m.phys.org/news/2015-10-superconducting-ink-instantly.html (https://m.phys.org/news/2015-10-superconducting-ink-instantly.html)

 
 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 08, 2019, 12:52:52 AM

V8karlo,Simplify your zero circuit by removing the transistor, leaving just the front-end diodes D1 - D4 and all four caps.

Without transistor it can not work!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: F6FLT on January 09, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
Quote
...
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
"Since the useful energy is expended mainly during the pulse width but not during the resting period between pulses, which is relatively much larger than the pulse width, [] considerable energy can be saved while nevertheless maintaining brightness of illumination."
Nonsense. Always the eternal confusion between power and energy.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 09, 2019, 10:54:52 AM
"Since the useful energy is expended mainly during the pulse width but not during the resting period between pulses, which is relatively much larger than the pulse width, [] considerable energy can be saved while nevertheless maintaining brightness of illumination."
Nonsense. Always the eternal confusion between power and energy.
   WAVE GENERATOR = FUNCTION GENERATOR = TIME GENERATOR.
        ALWAYS.              = ETERNAL.                           = EVER
 Is it easier and work time and/or work  potential saving to "swim" with or against wave direction?
Mainstream, bystream
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 09, 2019, 11:04:33 AM
"Since the useful energy is expended mainly during the pulse width but not during the resting period between pulses, which is relatively much larger than the pulse width, [] considerable energy can be saved while nevertheless maintaining brightness of illumination."
Nonsense. Always the eternal confusion between power and energy.

Everything is big unknown until somebody do it,
Then it will be peace of cake.
Nobody knows until it prove it otherwise.

Even the Tesla didn't know everything,
but he was trying, always.
So, the solution is keep trying until you do it.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: AlienGrey on January 09, 2019, 12:16:16 PM
Everything is big unknown until somebody do it,
Then it will be piece of cake. (give peace a chance ?)  ;D ;D
Nobody knows until it is proved otherwise.

Even Tesla didn't know everything,
but he was trying, always.
So, the solution is to keep trying until you do it.
Yeah!   it's; like the guy who flys round; like rocket man and then crashes, so his funder holds a conference of support developers
and shows them the film footage of the crash and tells everyone' rocket man left no notes or formula but the film shows he cracked the problem
so they all toddle off to solve the missing info problem. Only you guessed it, the secret guv got to it first
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 09, 2019, 12:26:19 PM


Hehe,




Somebody will solve the damn thing eventually.


It can not resist forever.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 09, 2019, 12:34:11 PM



When bird stands on HV wire and look at the wire and she thinks.
How to tap energy in that wire?


For the bird it is easy.
She has to spread the legs to expirience power.


For us, humans? We have to think a lot,
But the solution can be very simple.


That does not mean that the process to solution is easy and fast.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 09, 2019, 12:54:42 PM



I dont have solution for kilowat devices.
I am not the mistery guy.


Aldo, I have ideas and I will try them when I catch the spare time to test them.


Thats all.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 09, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
                                       from Believe,Credo,Dogma,Doctrin state
                                     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition)
                                                               VIGOR ET RIGOR                                                 
                                                       TRUST AND CONFIDENCE
                                                                       FIDES

                                question These,Anti-These, Hypothese, Parenthese answer
                                       
                           
                      Akkad( Zikkurat), academia, alma mater: A(lpha)-O mega/ meta,universidade
                                                   
                                                              to modern tooling :

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNormalverteilung (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNormalverteilung)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGaltonbrett (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGaltonbrett)


Like as small child :

https://www.mittelbayerische.de/ratgeber/wohnen-nachrichten/er-liebt-mich-er-liebt-mich-nicht-22015-art540092.html (https://www.mittelbayerische.de/ratgeber/wohnen-nachrichten/er-liebt-mich-er-liebt-mich-nicht-22015-art540092.html)
                              Orakel,  Horoscope : fatum ? Shall I or may I or not?  Ask the stars or search for another       
                                                                                      e-pi-lot                                     
               
                                                                              Chance/ Risc
             
                                                                    fixation: right or obligation

                                                                     divorce: right or obligation

                                                                       self-/ outer- decision
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 09:55:39 AM

I received 11 confirmation of successful replications of Zero device till now.

People also confirming that Zero device is true overunity device.


Once more, Zero device has 3 variable:
1. Input grid voltage
2. Number of capacitors (in series)
3. Resistance of load, output (L2 bulb)

Capacitors have resistance, it is not linear.
Number of capacitors multiplies current by 1 with every new cap added.
Output voltage do not drop lineary with every cap added in series.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 11:30:08 AM

People are also complaining that they do not want to post here because of the attacks from individuals on this forum.

They prefer to contact me by mail which is more complicated because of the number of mails received every day.
Do not be afraid! Post here whatever you want. It is easier that way.


The attackers are few. You are many.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 01:01:47 PM

Output voltage do not drop lineary with every cap added in series.


Hi, I will answer your question from mail here. I had similar question before.

What is difference in a number of capacitors in Zero device?
 
There is non linearity there. It is not obvious. It is kind of hidden.
Let's say that the source current is 1A. With 3 caps in series they will produce 3 x 1A = 3A. With the help of Czero cap the voltage will raise to 525V. (input voltage is AC 220V, Europe)

So 525V / 3 caps = 175V on each cap (C1, C2, C3). So 175V is output voltage.
 
Now, if we add 1 cap more in series we will have 4 caps in series. They will produce 4A. And the voltage on each will be 525V / 4 = 131V on each cap. Difference in voltage is from 175V to 131V = 44V.
 
If you add 9 caps they will produce 9A and voltage on each cap will be 525V / 9 caps = 58V.
If you add 10 caps they will produce 10A and voltage on each cap will be 525V / 10 caps = 52V.
Difference of output voltage between 9 and 10 caps in series 58V – 52V = 6V.
 
Difference between 3 and 4 caps in series is 44V (on output).
Difference between 9 and 10 caps in series is 6V (on output).

See difference here (44V and 6V).

That means that with each cap added you gain 1A and after number of caps the output voltage drops only for little.

That means that you have to raise input voltage only for a little and you gain always 1A with every cap.
Of course, capacitors have resistance and in reality they will behave little bit different (like resistors 5-10ohm).
This is only explanation of relation between number of caps and input, output voltage.
 
After a 20 caps in series you have to raise input voltage only for the fraction to raise output voltage on that caps but with every cap added you gaining always 1A. It is serial connection law.

What about after 60 or 200 caps? You have to raise input voltage only for 1V or less to gain 1A.

I hope I helped.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 01:55:10 PM

Another one from mail.

"Can I use battery on output instead of bulb?"

This is little bit tricky, but not hard.
If you only wanna to fill battery to 12V it is not a problem.

But if you wanna fill battery and in the same time use battery for some load??
First, 525V / 12V = 43. You have to put 43 capacitors in series to adjust output little bit over 12V and multiply current. (or just 40 caps).
This can be trial and error because caps have resistance, so the number of caps can not be determined only by calculations.
The output from battery has to be in opposite phase than output of Zero circuit.
The battery which contains some voltage is resistance for output of Zero.
If current just pass over the battery to load you don't have any resistance.

(If the load is low resistance, and most of the time at 12V the load is low resistance)

And the device needs resistance on output. Capacitors should never empty all the way.
So the process has to go in opposite phases.
Fill the battery from Zero. Stop. Use energy from battery. Stop.
Sequencing!

And the battery should always have some level of voltage in it.

I tried this with 18 capacitors and with small 12V, 1.2Ah battery.
But I didn't used grid at that experiment.
I was raising voltage via push pull small transformer from same battery.

At the beginning my idea was to make PC power supply which is energy efficient.
With Zero circuit grid does not have any influence on output (spikes or any RF or trash from grid, or overvoltage from grid).
When you stop spending on output, Zero circuit automatically stops, and spends nothing.Caps are full and it just stops.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 11, 2019, 02:29:21 PM
   V8Karlo:   The higher that the voltage is raised, the lower will be the amperage at the output. You are mentioning about input voltage to output voltage, but that does not mean that there is more usable power at the output.
   Raising the voltage is easy, but that does not give you more total power. If you think that it does, you should be able to light more than just a small bulb.
   There are no attacks here. There are questions to be answered. And videos demonstrating the device with some actual readings are needed to back up the claims which up to now have not shown OU, nor self running.
   As this is a free energy forum, the goal is not to light bulbs from the grid, nor to drain batteries like a regular inverter would do, but to show something unusual.   What is unusual about this device?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 03:15:04 PM
   V8Karlo:   The higher that the voltage is raised, the lower will be the amperage at the output. You are mentioning about input voltage to output voltage, but that does not mean that there is more usable power at the output.
   Raising the voltage is easy, but that does not give you more total power. If you think that it does, you should be able to light more than just a small bulb.
   There are no attacks here. There are questions to be answered. And videos demonstrating the device with some actual readings are needed to back up the claims which up to now have not shown OU, nor self running.
   As this is a free energy forum, the goal is not to light bulbs from the grid, nor to drain batteries like a regular inverter would do, but to show something unusual.   What is unusual about this device?

My coil is 1:1 trifilar. 5,2 kHz there is so much spikes that I don't have to use step up.
My output of that coil is 470V and it is 1:1 from 12V trifilar transformer.
I am just using that spikes.I never used step up transformers.


But you have the point.

Zero will multiply power from input by cca 2,5 times.

It will triple input current but voltage is less then input in case with 3 caps (output is 175V, it is not 220V).

So use that with any kind of AC input.

It is not my idea to present you self runner.
The Zero circuit does what it does, you can find use for it or not.
Why not combining all the possible things existing.
Build it and if you don't believe that is more on output don't use it.
I write this for people who built it and asking me questions.
I don't have to convince them to anything because they saw it with their own eyes and they are curious what to do with it?
I don't know what to do with it. That's why we are talking here.


I think the goal is to find right principle. If it is the right principle it can be developed.
And in short time make big devices which will light many bulbs.
Today is my day off, and I am enjoy it. Usually I don't have free maybe an hour per day.
So I left videos and all that stuff to others because I can't afford the time.
I can write a little like today. Or from my smartphone from my job.

Sorry, but I don't have the answer you want.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 03:23:22 PM

Unusual is that Zero has more power on output than input.
It is even visible, and the heat is present.

No matter what AC source it has.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 03:42:33 PM

   There are no attacks here. There are questions to be answered. And videos demonstrating the device with some actual readings are needed to back up the claims which up to now have not shown OU, nor self running.


You did build it and it does not show you more on output than input?


   There are no attacks here. There are questions to be answered. And videos demonstrating the device with some actual readings are needed to back up the claims which up to now have not shown OU, nor self running.


You were always normal guy and good researcher, so there is no need to defend.

I don't defend Zero. People made it and started to ask questions.
They started to claim that is more on output than input.

I am answering only what I know about it till today from my old experiments.

That was 2012 y. back then when I did all that experiments.

I do not do them any more.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 03:48:51 PM

Nick,

I will be more than happy that someone like you develop it and claim it.
My goal was to show with Zero device principle and that it can be done.

I was listening to Wesley and in one moment I decided to make my work open source.
Who can find something useful in it, just take it! I don't mind at all.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 11, 2019, 04:09:39 PM
#85 : 2,5 times more compared with Victor Arestov power/ load saving device : his led drawn instead 25 minutes 65 minutes : 65/25= 2,6
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2012065719A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=20120524&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

You see v8karlo: the right way ! But your is by pieces quantity number  simpler ergo easier/ cheaper to bild !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1#)
Capacitor in number serie + di/triode in number serie + resistor in number serie :

Let us see what  the C. O. P. max. will become !

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Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 04:25:35 PM
#85 : 2,5 times more compared with Victor Arestov power/ load saving device : his led drawn instead 25 minutes 65 minutes : 65/25= 2,6
You see v8karlo: the right way ! But your is by pieces quantity number  simpler ergo easier/ cheaper to bild !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1#)
Capacitor in number serie + di/triode in number serie + resistor in number serie :

Let us see what is the C. O. P. max. !

Yes lancaIV.

I am counting that all of you are better engineers that I am.
That is why I made it open source, for you. For all of you.
Lots of good people and lots of brain power.

If you build it you will soon know about it more than I am.
I won't be needed any more at that point. And I am glad for that.
In my pdf I tried to explain principle and that is good point to start.
The law of serial connection can be used to get more.
The components are performing more than one task at same time.

Lighting a bulb and filling capacitor at the same time. 2 tasks.
And then using energy from capacitor once more trough bulb.
You are using energy twice.
And then cap CZero using law of serial connection to double grid voltage at same time,
filling caps to double voltage, so the power in caps is double. (175V so little less than double)
Without CZero on each cap will be only cca 90V, but there is 175V on each cap while it works.
But there are 3 caps, so they triple the current with double voltage in them.
So simple circuit, but every component does at right moment what it supposed to do and cooperate with others.

More than one task for every component.


So, yes.


 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 04:45:04 PM
There is a common pattern to many of the 'free energy' claims in forums like this.
A claim is made that some setup is producing 'free energy' or 'OU'. Typically little or no efforts are made
to do proper analysis and measurements, to try to understand what is really going on in the circuit.
If anyone points out any issues with assumptions being made about the setup and suggests some proper
measurements be made, the free energy claimant will frequently claim they are being 'attacked'.   :o
However, if someone is pointing out quite legitimate issues with the assumptions being made about a
circuit and suggesting proper steps be taken to analyze the circuit and to make proper measurements,
and they are being attacked for that, something is obviously very wrong there.

V8karlo, if your 'zero' circuit is really 'free energy' as you claim, then it should stand up to proper analysis
and proper measurements, so there should be nothing to fear from such an analysis, right? Hoppy did nothing
more here than point out that he thinks you are making some incorrect assumptions about your zero circuit,
and you jumped all over him. That is very irrational to say the least. V8karlo, the real question is, are you interested
in really understanding what is really going on in your setups or not? If you are not really interested in trying to learn
how your circuits really perform, then why post the info here? In such a case you would be better off posting to
some other place like energeticform.com where people who make unsubstantiated claims and who often do not make
any proper measurements at all are treated like great heros. Proper analysis and proper measurements are very much
feared over there. ;)

On the other hand, if you are actually interested in understanding how your circuits really work and perform, then please stop
attacking people who take time out of their day to give you some honest feedback regarding what they really think about your setups.
You are in the wrong place if you think that sort of very irrational behavior is going to get you very far here. If you are charging
capacitors using one half of the AC cycle from the mains to charge the capacitors, then the energy used to charge those capacitors
is coming from the mains.

For this to be 'free energy', you would need to somehow return energy back to the mains at the same energy level
(without any energy losses), or at a greater energy level. However, if some/much of the energy stored in the capacitors is being
consumed by a resistive load before the current is returned back to the mains, then it would appear that you are not returning all the energy
back to the mains, which was drawn from the mains to charge the capacitors. Some basic proper measurements should confirm what is
really going on there. If your circuit really is free energy, then doing those proper measurements should not be an issue at all then, right?
Anyone who is really interested in understanding what is really going on in your 'zero' setup should actually welcome
closer analysis and proper measurements to see how the circuit is really performing, right? Otherwise all a person
is doing is playing some fantasy role playing game, no?

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 05:03:01 PM
V8karlo, if your 'zero' circuit is really 'free energy' as you claim, then it should stand up to proper analysis
and proper measurements, so there should be nothing to fear from such an analysis, right?

I don't claim anything. Others build it and started to claim.


I agree with you.

I won't try to explain it any more.
You build it and you explain to this forum and rest of world why the input bulb is not lit
and output bulb has light and heat.

But, build it. Don't  just look at scheme and say "this is fraud".


Please, be my guest.

I am not joking at your account.

Please build it and explain it. When you build it, you can measure it and explain it.

Please. It is not joke.


V8karlo, if your 'zero' circuit is really 'free energy' as you claim, then it should stand up to proper analysis
and proper measurements, so there should be nothing to fear from such an analysis, right?

If I am afraid it won't be open sourced. (And it is open sourced so you can try it and measure it.)
And in that case nobody will be able to reproduce it.

But people did replicated it.

Everything is out there. On the open.
Everybody can make it and look at it.

One hour of spare time.

I didn't made something foggy. I made very detailed blueprint how to do it.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 05:23:26 PM
I don't claim anything.

Hi v8karlo. I am sorry but what you are saying there is false.
Here are some direct quotes from your "The Zero Device" PDF.
"Immediately is visible that out is more than in and the heat is present on output which means power."
"But this is first documented and explained free energy device."
"Now you have your first Free Energy device to play with."

Don't just look at scheme and talk "this is fraud".

Again that is a false statement. I have seen no one say here "this is fraud".
You also stated the following in an earlier post in this thread:
"You and others said before that I am faking light and heat in Zero device."
That is also a false statement. I have seen no one state that here.
We can see in your picture in your PDF that the light bulb is lighting up a bit,
and I haven't seen anyone disputing that here.

You build it and you explain to this forum and rest of world why the input bulb is not lit
and output bulb has light and heat.

v8karlo, I am very busy with work and with various other things right now, but if no one else
does it then I will see if I can find some time on a weekend to build your zero setup and
do some in depth analysis and measurements on it. If I find in my testing that it is really 'free energy'
then I will be happy to state that here.
All the best...

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 05:36:22 PM
v8karlo, I am very busy with work and with various other things right now, but if no one else
does it then I will see if I can find some time on a weekend to build your zero setup and
do some in depth analysis and measurements on it. If I find in my testing that it is really 'free energy'
then I will be happy to state that here.
All the best...

OK, fair enough. You see, we didn't have to fight from the beginning. This is right way to talk.


And when you build it, it will be yours.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 05:42:59 PM
OK, fair enough. You see, we didn't have to fight from the beginning. This is right way to talk.
And when you build it, it will be yours.

Hi v8karlo. I really am not following you. I really don't see how you interpret people
giving you feedback on your setups as 'people fighting with you'.

Anyway, I will see if I can find some time to analyze your zero device on a weekend
if someone else doesn't do it first. I do find it interesting that your light bulb 'L1'
doesn't light, or only lights quite dimly. It will be interesting to analyze to see what
is going on there. All the best...

Hoppy, do you see why light bulb L1 is not lighting?


Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
HI v8karlo. I really am not following you. I really don't see how you interpret people
giving you feedback on your setups as 'people fighting with you".

Anyway, I will see if I can find some time to analyze your zero device on a weekend
if someone else doesn't do it first. I do find it interesting that your light bulb 'L1'
doesn't light or only lights quite dimly. It will be interesting to analyze to see what
is going on there. All the best...

Hoppy, do you see why light bulb L1 is not lighting?

Look!

When someone just look at scheme and said: "It is not possible!"
1. He is completely idiot, and he is not here to help!
2. He is trying to provoke just for his own fun!
3. He does not know what he is doing, but with his accusations he looks very smart.

In reality he is scaring people off.

You can choose which one from that 3 makes me defend from such people.
Sorry, but this is true.

When you said you will try you started to act like scientist and others will see in you smart person.
I believe you are smart person, but you were scaring people away!
I don't like that. I like when everyone can post his Idea and not to be bullying by the "smart expert guys".
There are lots of young researchers here who are afraid to post. That's why.

And I didn't fight with everyone, just people who attacked before they even looked into the problem.
It was you, Hoopy and vasik041.

With everyone else I had more then normal conversations. You can read posts from beginning and you will see that.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 06:08:06 PM
Look!

When someone just look at scheme and said: "It is not possible!"
1. He is completely idiot, and he is not here to help!
2. He is trying to provoke just for his own fun!
3. He does not know what he is doing, but with his accusations he looks very smart. In reality he is scaring people off.

You can choose which one from that 3 makes me defend from such people.
Sorry, but this is true.

When you said you will try you started to act like scientist and others will see in you smart person.
I believe you are smart person, but you were scaring people away!
There are lots of young researchers here who are afraid to post. That's why.

Hi v8karlo. You are doing it again. No one said "It is not possible!"
I believe Hoppy said to the effect that he thinks you are making some incorrect assumptions.
Does it not bother you at all that you keep making statements that are quite clearly false?
See my comment above where I pointed out several false statements from you.
People having a different perspective than you is no way at all 'people attacking you'. Unless someone
actually says that you are 'a fraud' and ' this is not possible', etc., then no one has said those things. ;)

I personally previously have actually made no specific comments at all on your 'zero device'.
I have pointed out my point of view that for a circuit to be 'free energy/overunity' it must be drawing
in excess energy from outside the setup somehow. That is hardly an 'attack' or anything like that. :)
v8karlo, sorry, but you just are not making any sense with your accusations of 'attacks' and the like.
People will always have different perspectives. That is a good thing. ;)

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 11, 2019, 06:22:41 PM
Yes lancaIV.

I am counting that all of you are better engineers that I am.
That is why I made it open source, for you. For all of you.
Lots of good people and lots of brain power.

If you build it you will soon know about it more than I am.
I won't be needed any more at that point. And I am glad for that.
In my pdf I tried to explain principle and that is good point to start.
The law of serial connection can be used to get more.
The components are performing more than one task at same time.

Lighting a bulb and filling capacitor at the same time. 2 tasks.
And then using energy from capacitor once more trough bulb.
You are using energy twice.
And then cap CZero using law of serial connection to double grid voltage at same time,
filling caps to double voltage, so the power in caps is double. (175V so little less than double)
Without CZero on each cap will be only cca 90V, but there is 175V on each cap while it works.
But there are 3 caps, so they triple the current with double voltage in them.
So simple circuit, but every component does at right moment what it supposed to do and cooperate with others.

More than one task for every component.


So, yes.
Gricourt /Kovac resistor serie  :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=FR&NR=2504768A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=19821029&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=FR&NR=2504768A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=19821029&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
                                                     calorimeteric experiment result :

                                                         5 Watt bulb 220 V : 4,3 cal/hour


                                                         5 Watt  bulb 110 V : 4,9 cal/hour

small indication, but demonstrates difference ! Impulse generator sourced ?

I  have been at the morning in OPorto and visited the Rua de Alegria, to look there : open/closed. ?
        https://www.gescontact.pt/campos-cardoso-3a68

Has been there between 2004- 2009 +/- 3 times a week ( 500 times +),  getting technician service by him :https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
But closed. ( By their best time in the 70' ties 16 employees produced hundreds of transformators per day : it was the time when Televisor and Radios were repaired and not droped away)


 So I visited several electro-/ repair shops to get the price of ni-chrome coil :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A#)

1 mm diameter/ meter 1 Euro,  85-90 Euros/ Kg ( alibaba?  aliexpress?)


Yes,  indeed,  many improvement possibilities.

Have a nice Weekend
OCWL
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 06:31:32 PM

I believe Hoppy said to the effect that he thinks your are making some incorrect assumptions.


First was impendance match, it can not work. (then I showed him same scheme without transformer)

Then it was bulb is to slow to react, it won't glow. (stupid) But he is expert, yes.
And more, and more....


Now I am asking you simple question?
Was it easier to build circuit with 5 components from trash and post one good and smart post.


You see, with all that numerous posts others saw what will happen to them if they have an Idea.
So it is better for them to shut up because expert is around.

I don't wanna talk about this any more.

You are not behave like that any more and our conversations become pretty normal.
Do you agree?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 06:39:11 PM
v8karlo. You are fighting illusory dragons.
I can't say it any more clearly than that.

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
v8karlo. You are fighting illusory dragons.
I can't say it any more clearly than that.

I talked with people via mail and when I invited them here. They don't want to come.
Then I started to ask why? It is easier to post here where everyone can see answers.
But they don't wanna to come.

And then in one mail come up Hoopy's nickname and reason.
After that I started to look who are that experts here.

You can call me whatever you like if you feel better that way.

But as I can see you are pushing with this topic for the few last posts.
I asked you to stop in previous post #99.

I am just answering to them.
Why is that if I am delusional.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 06:58:21 PM
Sigh...   :o  :)  :D  ;D


Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 07:01:33 PM
Sigh...   :o :) :D ;D

You have to employ your energy into research. You have it a lot I must admit that.
We writed a novel here about psychology.
 ;) :)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 07:28:14 PM
Hi v8karlo. If no one posts an in-depth analysis with measurements of your 'zero device' soon,
I will see if I have the parts to build it and test in the next few weeks.
Just need to find some time. All is good.  :)

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 07:47:12 PM
Hi v8karlo. If no one posts an in-depth analysis with measurements of your 'zero device' soon,
I will see if I have the parts to build it and test in the next few weeks.
Just need to find some time. All is good.  :)

No problem.

For Europe 220V grid:

1. You don't need diodes UF4007, it can be any diodes you have from your spare. It is 50Hz (60Hz) so it doesen't matter if they are slow.
    I used UF4007 because I have 200pcs of them. (on higher frequencies it does matter)

2. C1, C2, C3 capacitors can be any but don't use less than 20uF and they have to be at least 200V rated. I used 3 x 640uF, 200V and it was fine (watch your fingers, do not touch them while and after device is working). Be careful, I didn't. It hurts. That is why I used 22uF, 400V later.

3. Transistor can be any bipolar. Can be mosfet too, tried it with IRF840, it worked without driver. Prefer bipolar rather for this situation.

4. For CZero you can use 2 electrolytic 300V minus to minus (100uF, 300V perfect). I tried it works. It becomes bipolar that way. Don't use less than 20uF, rated at least 300V.

5. I tried 75W bulbs. If I remember correctly they had around 70-80ohms and they worked, so you don't have to search for specific bulb. 2 bulbs of same    ratings. I also tried 50W. Just 2 of a same kind. The 75W output was glowing less than 25W but the effect was visible and heat was there. With bulbs with more resistance effect is more visible, of course. Resistance has role.



You don't need special parts, grab something from trash.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: citfta on January 11, 2019, 08:46:55 PM
Sorry to inform you v8karlo, but you have only reinvented the voltage doubler circuit that has been used in televisions and industrial machines for over 50 years.  As you add capacitors you raise the voltage and drop the current.  And you are incorrect about being able to raise the voltage only a little when you add more caps to keep the current up. You have to raise the voltage an equivalent amount to keep the current up that you can draw from the circuit. And you clearly claim this is a free energy device on page 4 of your PDF and again on page 22.  And on page 15 you refer to self looping the device.  You can NOT self loop this device.  As soon as you remove the grid power your device will discharge the caps and quit.

The reason L1 does not light is because the voltage drop across L1 is very low.  All the caps and diodes are taking the voltage so there is none left to force enough current through L1 to light it up.  As you explained in your PDF when you use larger bulbs then L1 will start to glow.  That is because L2 is now large enough to let enough voltage through to start to light L1.  What your circuit does is force the voltage to L2 and not leave enough for L1.  But it is not free energy and can not be looped.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 09:01:00 PM
As you explained in your PDF when you use larger bulbs then L1 will start to glow.  That is because L2 is now large enough to let enough voltage through to start to light L1.  What your circuit does is force the voltage to L2 and not leave enough for L1.  But it is not free energy and can not be looped

When you use larger bulbs, more watts, L1 does not start to glow, L2 is glowing less. (which is logical also)
When you use only 2 caps, C1 and C2 but without C3 then L1 starts to glow, but L2 is still glowing more. You are multiplying current only 2 times with 2 caps, not 3 times like with 3 caps.

On L1 is 220V directly from grid, butt less current is passing trough L1. On L2 is 175V, but 3 times more current. That means on L1 is more voltage than on L2, but still no glow.
If on L1 220V is passing less current then on L2 175V that means that power through L1 is less than trough L2.
So you have more power on output than on input.


The reason L1 does not light is because the voltage drop across L1 is very low.  All the caps and diodes are taking the voltage so there is none left to force enough current through L1 to light it up. 

The bulbs are the same. Both should expirience same voltage drop.

If there is no force (power), that means there is not enough power at L1. So we are talking about power here.
Voltage on L1 is higher (220V) than on L2 (175V), but L1 does not glow. L1 is directly on 220V grid input.


As I said before, try it, build it, don't talk just by looking at scheme.
There is 5 components (from trash) and 2 bulbs. 1 hour project.


I don't wanna defend it. If you say so, then it is.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 11, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
Sorry to inform you v8karlo, but you have only reinvented the voltage doubler circuit that has been used in televisions and industrial machines for over 50 years.  As you add capacitors you raise the voltage and drop the current.  And you are incorrect about being able to raise the voltage only a little when you add more caps to keep the current up. You have to raise the voltage an equivalent amount to keep the current up that you can draw from the circuit. And you clearly claim this is a free energy device on page 4 of your PDF and again on page 22.  And on page 15 you refer to self looping the device.  You can NOT self loop this device.  As soon as you remove the grid power your device will discharge the caps and quit.

The reason L1 does not light is because the voltage drop across L1 is very low.  All the caps and diodes are taking the voltage so there is none left to force enough current through L1 to light it up.  As you explained in your PDF when you use larger bulbs then L1 will start to glow.  That is because L2 is now large enough to let enough voltage through to start to light L1.  What your circuit does is force the voltage to L2 and not leave enough for L1.  But it is not free energy and can not be looped.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hi Carroll. Yes, that all sounds correct to me. C1, C2, C3, Czero, and L1 are forming a voltage divider.
The (average) voltage across L1 therefore is not high enough to light up L1, except maybe just a little bit,
even though current is flowing through the bulb to charge up the capacitors. 

Warning to potential experimenters:
Build at your own risk.
The 'zero device' circuit is actually not a very safe circuit to experiment with when connecting to the mains
or the output of an inverter. Not only could someone get a lethal zap from that circuit if they touch the wrong thing,
but if they connect a scope probe ground lead to the hot side (phase) of the AC line, they will short the hot phase to ground
(big arc, blown fuse or breaker) since the ground on a scope is typically not isolated from the mains ground.   

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 09:36:25 PM

Warning to potential experimenters:
Build at your own risk.
The 'zero device' circuit is actually not a very safe circuit to experiment with when connecting to the mains
or the output of an inverter.

It is not safe. I've got zapped with my left hand.
Do not touch capacitors while device is working and when it is off use 100ohm 2W resistor to empty capacitors before you touch them.
Be careful with capacitors.


But if you touch capacitor on your washing machine while it works, you will be zapped too.
Anything working with 220V is dangerous.
That is why I am experimenting with 12V first. Always.


So yea, you are right.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 10:00:32 PM

Hi Carroll. Yes, that all sounds correct to me. C1, C2, C3, Czero, and L1 are forming a voltage divider.
The (average) voltage across L1 therefore is not high enough to light up L1, except maybe just a little bit,
even though current is flowing through the bulb to charge up the capacitors. 


If voltage on L1 is so low, try to grab L1 with your hand.

Everything will be clear to you in split second.
L1 is directly on mains 220V.

But it can not push lot of current through bulb.
And in the second phase voltage is double on that line.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 11, 2019, 10:14:03 PM

We can search for 1000 reasons why it won't work,
or why it can't work.


You have to build it only once in 1 hour.


We are talking here like we are going to build shuttle.
Any other scheme on this forum has more components than this.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 11, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
Hi Carroll. Yes, that all sounds correct to me. C1, C2, C3, Czero, and L1 are forming a voltage divider.
The (average) voltage across L1 therefore is not high enough to light up L1, except maybe just a little bit,
even though current is flowing through the bulb to charge up the capacitors. 

Warning to potential experimenters:
Build at your own risk.
The 'zero device' circuit is actually not a very safe circuit to experiment with when connecting to the mains
or the output of an inverter. Not only could someone get a lethal zap from that circuit if they touch the wrong thing,
but if they connect a scope probe ground lead to the hot side (phase) of the AC line, they will short the hot phase to ground
(big arc, blown fuse or breaker) since the ground on a scope is typically not isolated from the mains ground.


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Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 11, 2019, 11:16:27 PM
 My explanation for the operation of the 'Zero' circuit: -

Using my 25W bulb having a cold resistance of 204R, the bulb in series with a 10uf cap and diode, the bulb does not visibly flash on connection to a 240V mains supply. However, it will flash with a 20uf or higher value cap. The difference is due to the reactance of the capacitor allowing sufficient current to heat the bulb filament to a glow in the case of the 10uf cap. The combined series capacitance of C1 to C4 in the zero circuit is around 5uf, thus no flash.
 
When the transistor is switched ‘ON’ and conducts on one phase of the mains supply, caps 1 to 3 effectively discharge in parallel to a much lower resistance output circuit, via steering diodes, to common output rails to which L2 is connected. The combined currents through the lower resistance, discharged from caps 1 to 3 are sufficient to heat the filament of L2. However, L1 cannot light on this phase as the diodes in series with the caps are reverse biased. The caps are now discharged ready for re-charge on the next phase when the transistor is switched ‘OFF’.
 
Altering the power rating of the bulbs and cap values will alter the impedance of the input loop to an extent whereby LI may be seen to glow together with L2.
 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 12:02:45 AM
My explanation for the operation of the 'Zero' circuit: -

Using my 25W bulb having a cold resistance of 204R, the bulb in series with a 10uf cap and diode, the bulb does not visibly flash on connection to a 240V mains supply. However, it will flash with a 20uf or higher value cap. The difference is due to the reactance of the capacitor allowing sufficient current to heat the bulb filament to a glow in the case of the 10uf cap. The combined series capacitance of C1 to C4 in the zero circuit is around 5uf, thus no flash.
 
When the transistor is switched ‘ON’ and conducts on one phase of the mains supply, caps 1 to 3 effectively discharge in parallel to a much lower resistance output circuit, via steering diodes, to common output rails to which L2 is connected. The combined currents through the lower resistance, discharged from caps 1 to 3 are sufficient to heat the filament of L2. However, L1 cannot light on this phase as the diodes in series with the caps are reverse biased. The caps are now discharged ready for re-charge on the next phase when the transistor is switched ‘OFF’.
 
Altering the power rating of the bulbs and cap values will alter the impedance of the input loop to an extent whereby LI may be seen to glow together with L2.

It is very scientifically said.

Can not see any errors here.

And when grid line comes in serial with CZero it raises that line voltage to 525V, which explain 175V on each cap, C1, C2 and C3.
I also tried with 640uF caps and 2 x 150uF (minus to minus). Combined capacitance is little bit more in that case (3 x 640uF + (150uF / 2)) / 4 and effect was same as when I used 22uF. With bigger caps I was creating only bigger buffer. That means when I plug off the L2 continues to light for a second or two.

You are right Hoopy, it sounds ok to me!


The L1 flash for a moment at the beginning while C1, C2 and C3 are filling up. When they are filled L1 diminish and L2 starts to glow.
That means that C1, C2 and C3 must not be emptied all the way. Effect vanish. That is why resistance of load comes to play.At the beginning if the C1, C2 and C3 are bigger L1 will flash longer. It needs more time for caps to fill up.The L1 will flash only when all caps are emptied and then device plugged into grid.

It is best to build it and then observe it.
The fact is that L1 does not glow and L2 glows with heat.
Can you use this principle, adopt it with some other circuit or develop further?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 12, 2019, 12:27:03 AM
Volt Ampere,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt-ampere_reactive
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-turn
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 12, 2019, 12:34:33 AM
My explanation for the operation of the 'Zero' circuit: -

Using my 25W bulb having a cold resistance of 204R, the bulb in series with a 10uf cap and diode, the bulb does not visibly flash on connection to a 240V mains supply. However, it will flash with a 20uf or higher value cap. The difference is due to the reactance of the capacitor allowing sufficient current to heat the bulb filament to a glow in the case of the 10uf cap. The combined series capacitance of C1 to C4 in the zero circuit is around 5uf, thus no flash.
 
When the transistor is switched ‘ON’ and conducts on one phase of the mains supply, caps 1 to 3 effectively discharge in parallel to a much lower resistance output circuit, via steering diodes, to common output rails to which L2 is connected. The combined currents through the lower resistance, discharged from caps 1 to 3 are sufficient to heat the filament of L2. However, L1 cannot light on this phase as the diodes in series with the caps are reverse biased. The caps are now discharged ready for re-charge on the next phase when the transistor is switched ‘OFF’.
 
Altering the power rating of the bulbs and cap values will alter the impedance of the input loop to an extent whereby LI may be seen to glow together with L2.


Hi Hoppy. Sounds right to me.
All the best...

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 12, 2019, 12:56:00 AM
If voltage on L1 is so low, try to grab L1 with your hand.
Everything will be clear to you in split second.
L1 is directly on mains 220V.
But it can not push lot of current through bulb.
And in the second phase voltage is double on that line.

Hi v8karlo. I did not say the voltage 'on' L1, I said the voltage *across* L1, i.e. the average voltage drop across L1.
Just because you don't understand the basics of electric circuits very well, it doesn't mean other people don't or can't
understand the circuit well, even just by looking at the schematic.  :)

Carroll's and Hoppy's analysis seems to be correct to me. The caps charge up from the mains through L1 in one half
of the AC cycle. Since the caps and L1 are in series, the voltage from the mains will divide across them.
There is not enough average voltage drop across L1 to light it up brightly, even though current is passing through it
to charge the caps which are in series. In the second half of the AC cycle, the caps (in parallel) discharge through L2
and light it up. Given this analysis, there is no reason at all that I can see to think this circuit arrangement might be 'free energy'.
You are just charging up caps from the mains in one half of the AC cycle and discharging those caps through L2
in the second half of the AC cycle. Sorry mate. It appears there is no magic to find there. This is not surprising at all since
IMO any given setup would have to draw in extra energy from outside the circuit to be able to achieve COP >1.
I hope this is beginning to sink in now, but I won't hold my breath waiting for that moment to happen.  :)
All the best...

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 01:09:23 AM
Sorry mate. It appears there is no magic to find there.
I know what you mean by voltage drop across element.

So, how you explain extra light and heat on output while input is cold and without light?
Hoopy didn't explained that, neither do you. He did not explain 175V on each cap?
Do you have your explanation of extra light and heat?


Try to remove CZero and plug it that way.
You will see how magic vanish and there is no 175V on caps.
Try that.

Power on output will be the same or less than input now.
Why is that?

You did not change anything else.
Your circuit stays the same,
you still have your voltage divider,
but the power from caps is gone now.

Something is not right here, does it?

Now you have ordinary, simple useless circuit.
More input than output.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 01:56:12 AM

At the end, maybe CZero is doing what it is supposed to do?
Raise the voltage on the caps.

With voltage the power in caps is also raised.
And the power on output is going up.

What you think about that?

Magic? I don't think so.

Some things are very hard to accept. Obviously.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 12, 2019, 02:39:11 AM
Some things are very hard to accept. Obviously.

It seems we are in complete agreement on that mi amigo.
All the best...

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 12, 2019, 07:19:10 AM
   
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Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 12, 2019, 02:53:07 PM
   V8karlo:   There is still something that I don't understand. You mentioned the 3 times increase in current at the output, compared to the input. Not just a voltage hike. So, just how did you determine that the output has 3 times more current? As that is the part that I don't get. Just how did you measure that increase?

   I would also like replicate your circuit, but so far, no one (Itsu, Geg, Hoppy) has found anything unusual about this device.
It is still low in efficiency, lower than just connecting the bulb to a battery, or the grid. So, what is the point here?
   Do I really need to build this circuit, just to find the same thing what some of our best experimenters and replicators have found?   I am not asking you to defend anything, I'm asking how you determine the 3 times higher current? 
   On another type of simple oscillator circuit device with it's output connected to a leden jar capacitor, I got the nastiest shock, while using only a 1.5v battery as the input. Could that be something similar,  or not? I'm trying to get to the bottom of all this.
 
   So far at least three members here have replicated this device, and don't see nor claim anything unusual, nor OU, nor self running. They did measure the input to output, and found low efficiency. Also the feed back circuit was tested, and found very little power going back to the battery. Did they all do something wrong???
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Jeg on January 12, 2019, 03:58:42 PM
Just to make it clear, I experimented only with the Q topology, and I really didn't spend much time on this. As I already shared, 'Q' needs more potential to gather for starting to see energy going back to the source. Keep in mind that I used an already high efficiency push pull with a nasty spike of some thousand volts. But the output didn't contribute at all to the input consumption.       

Hi Nick :)

Regards
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 03:59:06 PM
   I would also like replicate your circuit.

Hello Nick,

I made 3 separate concepts. I attached all 3 pdf here on this post. I  also explained in pdf-s how they work and scheme.

If you wanna have your own opinion you have to build Zero circuit and see for yourself.
It is 5 components plus 2 bulbs circuit. Very simple circuit.
When you assemble it you will visually see what is happening, and you can feel heat on output bulb.
You will see difference in power on bulbs which should not be there, but there they are.

I can explain all day, until you assemble circuit and see for yourself it is hard to make any conversation at all.
Nobody said that Zero does not work because prove is in front of their eyes, but they can't explain extra heat and light either.

So, best is to make your own Zero circuit so you can see what is going on.

Zero does not have feedback, it is J circuit. You are mixing all 3 concepts in your post, that is why confusion.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
Just to make it clear, I experimented only with the Q topology, and I really didn't spend much time on this. As I already shared, 'Q' needs more potential to gather for starting to see energy going back to the source. Keep in mind that I used an already high efficiency push pull with a nasty spike of some thousand volts. But the output didn't contribute at all to the input consumption.       

Hi Nick :)

Regards

I used spikes in Zero circuit, not J or Q.

And thousand volts are not needed.

J or Q does not need spikes to work.
In J and Q I tried to show that energy can be used and pushed back to source.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: citfta on January 12, 2019, 05:21:54 PM


I can explain all day, until you assemble circuit and see for yourself it is hard to make any conversation at all.
Nobody said that Zero does not work because prove is in front of their eyes, but they can't explain extra heat and light either.



That is not TRUE.  At least two and I think a third person have explained to you why L2 is brighter than L1.  You are just refusing to listen to the explanations.

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 05:32:18 PM
That is not TRUE.  At least two and I think a third person have explained to you why L2 is brighter than L1.  You are just refusing to listen to the explanations.

Can you show me that post where you explained that to me?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 05:42:40 PM
That is not TRUE.  At least two and I think a third person have explained to you why L2 is brighter than L1. You are just refusing to listen to the explanations.

I am just reading my mails.

Some people did looked into the topic and their opinion is far different.
So, you see, you are few here with your opinions.
But there are milions who read your and main posts out there with their opinion too.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 06:01:38 PM
That is not TRUE.  At least two and I think a third person have explained to you why L2 is brighter than L1.  You are just refusing to listen to the explanations.

You are not the only expert around.

There are others with good skills. Many of them.

And they all are reading this. Your posts and main.


So you see I am not alone here. You are.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 06:25:37 PM
That is not TRUE.  At least two and I think a third person have explained to you why L2 is brighter than L1.  You are just refusing to listen to the explanations.

I am asking you again.

What is your explanation?

Please, explain why the L2 bulb has more power than L1?
Be my guest, present your expertise to the world.
They will decide how good your explanation is.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: seychelles on January 12, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
I PROMISE TOMORROW I AM GOING TO PUT THIS CASE TO REST.
LOOK IT IS EASY JUST PUT AN AMP METER IN SERIES OF THE L1 AND L2.
MEASURE THE VOLTAGE OF L1 , L2 SO THERE..NOT THAT HARD..I WILL HAVE TO FORAGE
THROUGH ALL MY JUNK IN MY STORE TO SEE WHAT I CAN SALVAGE...I AM STILL WAITING
FOR THESE PARTS FROM ALI EXPRESS BUT CHINA IS VERY VERY FAR FROM SEYCHELLES..
WISH ME LUCK''
 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 12, 2019, 06:35:15 PM
Aeh  ::) "EXCUSE MOI, v8Karlo !"
  Ich,mir,meiner,mich
  I, me, my,mine
 yours and mine
 Such " broken lingual syntax" feels me horrible !

Sincerely
OCWL


 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: seychelles on January 12, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
AND WHAT IS WITH YOU LANCA WANKER..JUST TAKE YOUR MEDS BRO.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 06:40:00 PM
That is not TRUE.  At least two and I think a third person have explained to you why L2 is brighter than L1.  You are just refusing to listen to the explanations.


You few experts are killing this forum,

and just few of you are giving this forum very bad reputation.

Always the same nicknames.

People avoid to post here because of you.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 06:45:44 PM
I PROMISE TOMORROW I AM GOING TO PUT THIS CASE TO REST.
LOOK IT IS EASY JUST PUT AN AMP METER IN SERIES OF THE L1 AND L2.
MEASURE THE VOLTAGE OF L1 , L2 SO THERE..NOT THAT HARD..I WILL HAVE TO FORAGE
THROUGH ALL MY JUNK IN MY STORE TO SEE WHAT I CAN SALVAGE...I AM STILL WAITING
FOR THESE PARTS FROM ALI EXPRESS BUT CHINA IS VERY VERY FAR FROM SEYCHELLES..
WISH ME LUCK''

Thank you seychelle.

Don't forget. Input is AC. Output is pulsed DC.
L1 has 220V on it, L2 has 175V.
Take your measurements.


Good luck!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 12, 2019, 06:49:29 PM
AND WHAT IS WITH YOU LANCA WANKER..JUST TAKE YOUR MEDS BRO.
Independent to take meds or not :
 "yours and main " you will never find written as alternative writing for
" yours and mine" !

   Do you agree or  just being , for fun, of opposite opinion ?
 Or actually wtiting a " DIY-Seychelles Dictionary from lingual scrap" ?

Who becomes fast angry looses faster his concentration for the MAIN TARGET !
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 06:54:14 PM
Independent to take meds or not :
 "yours and main " you will never find written as alternative writing for
" yours and mine" !

   Do you agree or  just being , for fun, of opposite opinion ?
 Or actually wtiting a " DIY-Seychelles Dictionary from lingual scrap" ?

I suggest you raise quantity.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: seychelles on January 12, 2019, 06:56:40 PM
v8karlo it is straight 240 ac at 60 hz..all good.
when i was fixing tvs back in the good old days i used
a 15 watt lamp in my crt  rejuvenation..i guest most of the
new young super techs will not have a clue what that is.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
That is not TRUE.  At least two and I think a third person have explained to you why L2 is brighter than L1.  You are just refusing to listen to the explanations.

You few experts are killing this forum,

and just few of you are giving this forum very bad reputation.

Always the same nicknames.

People avoid to post here because of you.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 07:09:27 PM
v8karlo it is straight 240 ac at 60 hz..all good.
when i was fixing tvs back in the good old days i used
a 15 watt lamp in my crt  rejuvenation..i guest most of the
new young super techs will not have a clue what that is.

Just be careful from capacitors. Do not touch them.

Whatever you do, I will not judge.
That was the point of this forum in the past.
I am with you.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 12, 2019, 07:11:10 PM
I suggest you raise quantity.
v8Karlo, :) !And about killing this forum : I am here member since 2004.And you ?
With much patience seeing coming and going  !Reading pro-s and con-s  !And no, this guies here are Meds enough ! Hard stuff !  Anytimes over-dosis  near !
Are you tomorrow going to church ? MED-itation, you know

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: seychelles on January 12, 2019, 07:14:46 PM
YES LANCA, I AM ,, I WILL GIVE YOU THESE WORDS AND YOU AND ALL LIVING
CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH TOME TO BE THANKFULL
FOR ;;;''' PRIVILEGE OF EXISTENCE.. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU BRO...PEACE BE WITH
YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 07:31:10 PM
v8Karlo, :) !And about killing this forum : I am here member since 2004.And you ?
With much patience seeing coming and going  !Reading pro-s and con-s  !And no, this guies here are Meds enough ! Hard stuff !  Anytimes over-dosis  near !
Are you tomorrow going to church ? MED-itation, you know


Ten years ago this forum was alive and full of ideas.

Look at it now. It is dead place.

And if you try to place any idea at all, you will be buried in no time.
Does not matter if something works or not, always the same outcome.
But I petty those few.

They are great only here, the rest of the world thinks very low about them.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Void on January 12, 2019, 07:53:36 PM
v8karlo, you have shown yourself here to be not only quite nasty, but also
very dishonest and very delusional. I was thinking to take time out of my busy schedule to replicate
your 'zero device' and do some proper measurements just to demonstrate to you that your 'zero device' is nowhere
near over unity (AKA free energy), but I can see now that my doing so would be a complete waste of my time.
You would just continue to deny anything that was pointed out to you. It is extremely delusional
and nasty people like yourself who continue to make a joke of these forums, not the other way around. 


Unfortunately for some reason the topic of free energy research seems to attract quite a few people with
serious mental problems. Everywhere you look people are making unsubstantiated claims or going on about things
for which they have little to no idea what they are talking about. The cycle just keeps repeating. As some delusionals
leave there are always several more waiting in the wings to come here and seek attention and go on and
on about complete nonsense. Of course there are also always a group of delusionals who will act as
cheer leaders for their fellow raving delusionals, claiming they are being 'persecuted' for their continually posting
complete nonsense here.  The cycle never ends.  :o  Needless to say I am done with this thread.   ;D

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 08:35:41 PM
v8karlo, you have shown yourself here to be not only quite nasty, but also
very dishonest and very delusional. I was thinking to take time out of my busy schedule to replicate
your 'zero device' and do some proper measurements just to demonstrate to you that your 'zero device' is nowhere
near over unity (AKA free energy), but I can see now that my doing so would be a complete waste of my time.

Void,

You always think and always do nothing.
I am posting only inside this topic for the time being, how could be I nasty for you.
I am telling the truth, that is what bothers you. You know that you are pushing too far every time over and over.

You are bulling me now and many times in the past. And you still don't wanna try the circuit.

You wan't to be respected only because you are thinking that you are always right, but you will never try to assemble circuit.

You wanna others to follow you in that process of yours "always right thinking" because you are smartest person in the world.

You did not assemble Zero circuit but you are still thinking it can not work and others have to follow your thought.

Don't force me to show you more from my emails about your thinking.


You and your crew of thinking people will not provide any idea or solution ever. That is the fact.
You proved it many times till now. What is left for you then?
To bully others so you can be great in their eyes!
That is only thing what you have left!

Void has no ideas, Void has no solutions, Void has nothing to show.

Great expert!

That is why I am nasty to you.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 08:41:42 PM

You can not go against intelligence without intelligence.


You are bullying me over and over, I didn't bully you.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 08:53:47 PM
v8karlo, you have shown yourself here to be not only quite nasty, but also
very dishonest and very delusional.

You are thinking now!
How can I be great in the eyes of others again?
What to answer now? What answer will make me smart?


You showed what you are. You can't any more.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 12, 2019, 08:57:25 PM
   Karlo:   Calm down, no one is killing anything.
   I ask you how you determined a 3 times increase in current, But, I get no answer.   The important thing (for us) is not that the one bulb is brighter than the other bulb. The main thing is the comparison of the input to the output readings. To really see if the circuit has merit, or not. Or, which one of the three circuits actually does something unusual.
   Sorry, I do get confused with all three different circuits, at times.  However, some nice clear input to output readings would help.
   
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 12, 2019, 09:08:11 PM
My explanation for the operation of the 'Zero' circuit: -

Using my 25W bulb having a cold resistance of 204R, the bulb in series with a 10uf cap and diode, the bulb does not visibly flash on connection to a 240V mains supply. However, it will flash with a 20uf or higher value cap. The difference is due to the reactance of the capacitor allowing sufficient current to heat the bulb filament to a glow in the case of the 10uf cap. The combined series capacitance of C1 to C4 in the zero circuit is around 5uf, thus no flash.
 
When the transistor is switched ‘ON’ and conducts on one phase of the mains supply, caps 1 to 3 effectively discharge in parallel to a much lower resistance output circuit, via steering diodes, to common output rails to which L2 is connected. The combined currents through the lower resistance, discharged from caps 1 to 3 are sufficient to heat the filament of L2. However, L1 cannot light on this phase as the diodes in series with the caps are reverse biased. The caps are now discharged ready for re-charge on the next phase when the transistor is switched ‘OFF’.
 
Altering the power rating of the bulbs and cap values will alter the impedance of the input loop to an extent whereby LI may be seen to glow together with L2.

   V8Karlo:  In case you missed it, this was Hoppy's explanation (above) of the difference in bulb brightness, and what is causing that on that particular circuit replication, in his opinion.
   I personally tend to trust his expertise in the above explanation. 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 09:17:19 PM
   Karlo:   Calm down, no one is killing anything.
   I ask you how you determined a 3 times increase in current, But, I get no answer.   The important thing (for us) is not that the one bulb is brighter than the other bulb. The main thing is the comparison of the input to the output readings. To really see if the circuit has merit, or not. Or, which one of the three circuits actually does something unusual.
   Sorry, I do get confused with all three different circuits, at times.  However, some nice clear input to output readings would help.
 

I don't have to calm down because of you. You were always ok researcher.

And I will always try to answer your question if I can.

There are 3 concepts.

We are talking about Zero circuit now.
C1, C2, C3 will triple current trough them. (law of serial capacitors, current is triple, voltage is / 3, but Czero rise voltage so voltage almost stays the same ( 175V, not 220V), so you have 3 x current, but lower voltage for a little, but not 3 times)

Czero will double voltage inside those 3 capacitors. (cap CZero will be in serial connection with grid)

That is why is more power on output.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 09:21:50 PM
   V8Karlo:  In case you missed it, this was Hoppy's explanation (above) of the difference in bulb brightness, and what is causing that on that particular circuit replication, in his opinion.
   I personally tend to trust his expertise in the above explanation.


Then you trust his expertise, don't try to have your own.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 09:29:05 PM
   V8Karlo:  In case you missed it, this was Hoppy's explanation (above) of the difference in bulb brightness, and what is causing that on that particular circuit replication, in his opinion.
   I personally tend to trust his expertise in the above explanation.

My explanation for the operation of the 'Zero' circuit: -

Using my 25W bulb having a cold resistance of 204R, the bulb in series with a 10uf cap and diode, the bulb does not visibly flash on connection to a 240V mains supply. However, it will flash with a 20uf or higher value cap. The difference is due to the reactance of the capacitor allowing sufficient current to heat the bulb filament to a glow in the case of the 10uf cap. The combined series capacitance of C1 to C4 in the zero circuit is around 5uf, thus no flash.
 
When the transistor is switched ‘ON’ and conducts on one phase of the mains supply, caps 1 to 3 effectively discharge in parallel to a much lower resistance output circuit, via steering diodes, to common output rails to which L2 is connected. The combined currents through the lower resistance, discharged from caps 1 to 3 are sufficient to heat the filament of L2. However, L1 cannot light on this phase as the diodes in series with the caps are reverse biased. The caps are now discharged ready for re-charge on the next phase when the transistor is switched ‘OFF’.
 
Altering the power rating of the bulbs and cap values will alter the impedance of the input loop to an extent whereby LI may be seen to glow together with L2.

Hoopy explained part of circuit, and he did it very professional.


[Europe 220V grid]
He did not explain part when CZero making serial connection with grid and raises voltage in that line to 525V.
That explaines why you read on each cap 175V instead of 90V. That is essence of effect.

You can test it easily.

Remove CZero cap and plug in circuit in the grid.
Effect is gone and you will read on the caps only 90V or so. And the power is gone also.

So, he does explain it partially. Yes.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: vasik041 on January 12, 2019, 09:42:17 PM
Step down converter with capacitors ;)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 09:42:37 PM

Nick,


We are talking about this more than 24h.
Would it been easier for you to assemble Zero in just 1 hour and see for yourself?
Just a stupid question, but...?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 09:47:20 PM
Step down converter with capacitors ;)


Can you explain in few words what this circuit purpose is?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: vasik041 on January 12, 2019, 09:54:25 PM

Can you explain in few words what this circuit purpose is?
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you :) This information for people who wants understand how it works.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 10:10:54 PM
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you :) This information for people who wants understand how it works.

You don't have to do that!

If you are talking about J circuit? J circuit is same as half bridge topology which everyone use! You don't have to search further.
If you are talking about Zero, you are missing transistor if you replace switches with diodes.
And you are right. Zero use voltage doubler in one phase. That is essence of it's effect. What is wrong with that?

If people wanna to understand how Zero works, they can read it in my pdf. And after that they can try it for themselves to see if I was correct.
It is open source.


I attached Zero pdf again so everyone can read it.


I don't know what are you trying here?

Catch me in the game of words?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 10:21:51 PM
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you :) This information for people who wants understand how it works.

Now, put bulbs in that circuit, on input and output.
If your bulb on output glows more and have more heat than you have something similar to Zero circuit.

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 10:59:37 PM
Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you :) This information for people who wants understand how it works.

You made this circuit? It is your work?

You claim that this circuit does what my Zero circuit does!
You found somebody else's scheme and you claim that is my circuit!

I asked you before!

In a few words can you explain how your circuit works and what is it purpose?
It has title step down capacitor converter. You don't have to explain that.

Replace switches with diodes...and you got your circuit.Everyone knows voltage multiplier, this is "voltage divider".Step down voltage, increase current as any normal step down transformer.
PS please don't say that I attack you :) This information for people who wants understand how it works.


Can you explain how it is stepping down voltage and increase current?
It is not transformer, and how exactly it is increasing current?
Every capacitor in front of load draw more current.

In a few words, please!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 11:18:57 PM
Step down converter with capacitors ;)

If you do not understand your own scheme how can you claim anything???

 ;) :-[
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 12, 2019, 11:53:10 PM
Step down converter with capacitors ;)

I dont't think people react very well to your posts?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 12, 2019, 11:57:11 PM
V8karlo,
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not a power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you better understand your circuit.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 12:07:39 AM
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you understand your circuit.

Hoopy,

I've been playing with this for a long time. I know all it's secrets.
You don't have to explain to me how it works.
I gave it to you, to the world.
If you can use it, use it!
This book has more than 3 chapters.
I am here to help if I can. My goal is to reach people who want to do something.

I am not rude. Am I rude to you now? You are asking normally. I am answering normally.
I do not experiment any more, it is all my old knowledge.
It is new to you, but not for me.
So, if I can help I will because I made tons of experiments with all 3 concepts.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 12:10:42 AM
V8karlo,
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not a power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you better understand your circuit.

CZero boost power. Simple as that.
Eventually you will see that.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 12:28:38 AM

Every component in CZero works with others.
I made it that way.
If you remove anything from circuit it will become useless.
You can remove diode or two, but that's it.
I separated it in 3 separate concepts.
I lost lot's of time doing that.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 12:36:07 AM
V8karlo,
CZero is the cap that together with diode closest to it (shown drawn in vertical orientation) produces the doubling of voltage. By shunting out that capacitor, the voltage doubling is cancelled and this is why the 175V on caps 1-3 drop down to around 90V as you have observed. So, in effect, CZero does boost the voltage as you thought but this is not a power amplifying or free energy effect because a voltage doubler cannot be loaded with something like the bulbs you are using, without a very high voltage drop. The return path for the voltage doubler is interesting, so I'll leave you to work it out.

BTW, please stop the rude comments at people who are just trying to help you better understand your circuit.

If the voltage on caps are doubled, then the power on that caps is doubled too (more than double actually).??
Capacitor of 100uF filled to 175V has more power than capacitor of 100uF 90V.

We are talking about power here. Time to accept that.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: madddann on January 13, 2019, 01:59:59 AM
Hi

I rarely post, but I thought I would give you my honest and simple explanation of what your zero device does - the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.

Why don't you put a watt meter at the input and see what it says, then connect an identical bulb in series with an 400v AC cap directly to the watt meter - use the right cap value to match the brightness of the bulb to that one of the zero device L2 bulb (help yourself with a small solar cell and a voltmeter to detect the brightness at a fixed distance).

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 02:17:44 AM
Hi

I rarely post, but I thought I would give you my honest and simple explanation of what your zero device does - the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.

Why don't you put a watt meter at the input and see what it says, then connect an identical bulb in series with an 400v AC cap directly to the watt meter - use the right cap value to match the brightness of the bulb to that one of the zero device L2 bulb (help yourself with a small solar cell and a voltmeter to detect the brightness at a fixed distance).

I can ask you the same question?

You expect me to make videos and presentations for you while you drink beer in front of your screen?
My goal was to reach people who wanna to do something.
They started to contact me and I have contacts with people who are willing to do something.

Why don't you make an effort to put the meter in the circuit and get involved?
You can do that but you probably won't. It is easier to seat back and watch with the beer!
I am not laughing here. But it is true.

You wanna me to do the work for you so you can make your mind: Is it or is it not?
I can tell you this.
I did what I needed a years ago. I don't need to do this again to prove myself anything.
You are the one who needs prove.

the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.


Anything, but anything which goes into circuit must pass trough L1!
There is no other way for current to pass! There is only one path for current.

If it is redirected it must have another path to go, but there is only one wire to the circuit, trough L1.

Don't get me wrong, I am not mad at you, it was your idea that I do all the work for you.
I won't do that. If you have any other idea, post it I will answer.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 02:53:29 AM
the circuit just prevents to a part of the energy to go to L1 and instead it redirects it to L2, this is why L2 ends up brighter than L1.

The input energy can go only trough L1. But that small energy is multiplied in second part of circuit.
Maybe I did circuit too much simple. Maybe if I did it more complex it will work better.

Don't listen to me. All of this sounds frightening. It is not.

You have to change your mindset so you can accept others ideas.
If you have one, bring it up.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 13, 2019, 03:10:38 AM
v8Karlo, you approve your findings by prototype !
Physics gives you , in minimum,  three types of electric power and the measuring method :

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/)

                                               https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor)
                                                                  Not : 0 to 1 but -1 to 1         

                          negative power factor to power factor zero to positive power factor ( |-P|  |P|)



Power : active power      ( P)

              reactive power   ( Q)

              complex power  ( S)

              apparent power  (|S|)

                                                                      POWER TRIANGLE
                                                LAGGING AND LEADING POWER FACTOR
             
                positive power factor   f.e.  0,1     |P|                  1 KW /   0,1    = 10 KVA.     source to load

                negative power factor  f. e. -0,1   |-P|                 1 KW / - 0,1    = - 10 KVA.    surplus load to source

                                                   

                                                                            complexity analysis

                                                         POSITIVE COS PHI AND NEGATIVE COS PHI

                       to understand f. e.  the " net zero energy building" program expression by the E.U.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 09:40:14 AM



C1, C2, C3 = 22uF = constant


P = U * I


I on the capacitors is constant


You have 2 cases


P = 90 * I (constant)


P = 175 * I (constant)


If the current on caps is constant, with voltage you change power.


Very simple.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 10:20:00 AM



CZero
Sine AC, 220V grid, Europe

U = 270-300V rectified, that is why meter reads 90 and 175V on caps. On caps is DC. There are voltage drops also on diodes, but not that much.

Power on input
P = U * I




Power on output
P = ((2/3)*U) * (3*I)

2 is voltage doubler
3 is number of capacitors

Power on output is DC.

If you remove cap CZero P = ((U/3) * (I*3)) , now it is ordinary circuit which is usseles.

220V AC rectified is cca 300V DC.
That is why 90V and 175V and 525V.


Example :
220V/3 = 73V, but rectified it is cca 90V which your meter shows.


With square AC is simpler.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 10:39:41 AM



Put 2 Zero circuits with inputs in opposite phases.


Combine their outputs into one.


You have full cycle output.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: citfta on January 13, 2019, 01:52:09 PM


C1, C2, C3 = 22uF = constant


P = U * I


I on the capacitors is constant


You have 2 cases


P = 90 * I (constant)


P = 175 * I (constant)


If the current on caps is constant, with voltage you change power.


Very simple.

Thank you so much for that simple explanation.  You have now proven without a doubt what I have been expecting for the last couple of days.  You do NOT understand the circuit you have been posting about.  Anyone with just a very basic understanding of electronics will tell you that the current through the capacitors is not constant.  In this circuit the current is constantly CHANGING.  If the current through the caps was constant the would mean the caps were BAD.  Good caps charge up and when they are charged the current drops to ZERO except for whatever leakage current there might be.  This thread has certainly proven how confused some people are about electronics.

This will be my last post here because there is no reason for me to waste any more time trying to help you.  Everyone that has tried to help you understand your circuit has been ridiculed.  So apparently you are not interested in learning anything.  Most of the people that have tried to help you have many many years of experience in electronics but you have ignored their advice.

You need to find another forum to post to.  There are many people on this forum that will gladly help someone that wants to learn.  But arrogant people like your self will soon find they are not welcome here.


Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 02:10:09 PM
You do NOT understand the circuit you have been posting about.  Anyone with just a very basic understanding of electronics will tell you that the current through the capacitors is not constant.  In this circuit the current is constantly CHANGING.  If the current through the caps was constant the would mean the caps were BAD.  Good caps charge up and when they are charged the current drops to ZERO except for whatever leakage current there might be.

Hehe,

Capacitors are not linear. But, you missed everything here. Everything.
I am not talking about process of charging.

In a capacitor 22uF you can not put more charges than that capacity can hold at given voltage.
It changes with voltage. So with voltage you change power in capacitor, but you can't change capacity. Capacity is fixed, constant.
Voltage is factor which push more charges into capacitor.

So you have threshold above which you can not go with 90V.
If you have 175V in that capacitor it can hold more charges (power) than same capacitor at 90V, but still it is limited with capacity of 22uF.Capacity of 22uF does not change, it is constant!!!With voltage you regulate how much power capacitor can store.Capacitor 22uF at 175V holds more power than capacitor 22uF at 90V.
So, the power is what we are talking about here which changes with voltage in caps. Capacity stays the same.

Current is the speed how fast cap will charge to some voltage for given capacity.
Less current - it will take more time for cap to charge to given voltage at given capacity.
More current - it will take less time for cap to charge to given voltage at given capacity.

You are not only missing the point, you probably missed entire forum.

And when you put amp meter on that line it won't show how capacitors are charging.
It will show constant value. That is how you measure current.
And the current trough L1 is same value as the current trough 3 caps. It is the same current.
I presume you know how amp meter works?


This will be my last post here because there is no reason for me to waste any more time trying to help you.

You are not helping me at all.
You never did. From the beginning.


I will be glad for you not to post here.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 13, 2019, 02:32:54 PM
Joachim Rieder               https://www.abacus-electronics.de/ (https://www.abacus-electronics.de/)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Joachim+rieder&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Joachim+rieder&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19860312&CC=EP&NR=0173724A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19860312&CC=EP&NR=0173724A1&KC=A1#)
                                                         FLIP: WHERE IS FLOP  ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900104&CC=DE&NR=3821856A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900104&CC=DE&NR=3821856A1&KC=A1#)
               
 Relationship between thermo-(cryo)/ electro-magneto dynamics :
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rmetauscher#Leistungsf%C3%A4higkeit_eines_W%C3%A4rme%C3%BCbertragers

     

Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 13, 2019, 02:46:46 PM


Put 2 Zero circuits with inputs in opposite phases.


Combine their outputs into one.


You have full cycle output.

   Karlo:   I am using a crystal oscillator which is connected to a "diode loop", pictured below.
   The diode loop allows for both positive and negative pulses from the oscillator to be utilized by the output.
The IN4148 diodes are switching diodes, and help to increase the voltage, similar to what your capacitors are doing. The two leds bulbs that are in the middle of the diode loop are 120v 8w AC bulbs, and can light fairly bright, although not as bright as when connected to the grid. Each diode added to the loop is increasing the output voltage. Each bulb is equivalent of a 60w incandescent bulb.
  Possibly the same type of diode loop and led bulbs can be used on your type of oscillator or device to allow both polarities (full sine wave) to be used, which may give a higher bulb brightness (lumin levels) than what incandescent bulbs will do on limited input sources.
   The oscillator, (or signal generator) is on the left side of the diagram, cap C1 and C2 help to separate the polarities from the source pulses, along with the series connected twin diode loops.
   If you have questions, just let me know.                                                             
                                                              NickZ
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 13, 2019, 03:03:43 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=2835554A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19800228&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=2835554A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19800228&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)

 And from Tele-Vision to Philo Farnsworth FUSOR :
https://www.google.com/search?q=farnsworth+fusor&client=firefox-b&oq=farnsworth+fusor&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.3...153299.156409.0.157160.6.6.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..34.mobile-heirloom-serp..6.0.0.3iAUs2knNG0


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCockcroft-Walton-Beschleuniger (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCockcroft-Walton-Beschleuniger)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 03:06:12 PM

  Possibly the same type of diode loop and led bulbs can be used on your type of oscillator or device to allow both polarities (full sine wave)                                                       
                                                             

I did try to utilize both polarities in one circuit, but I failed. What I did is 2 Zero in opposite phases sharing 1 cap CZero.

It worked but it was too complicated.

Later I did 2 Zero circuits separated, with inputs in opposite phases.
I merged output. Minus to minus. Plus to plus.
And I got full wave output.

I know what are you trying to tell me, I tried, but I failed to do it in 1 circuit.
Maybe it can be done.

Can you send me link of that video to see what you did?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 03:16:37 PM
   Karlo:   I am using a crystal oscillator which is connected to a "diode loop", pictured below.
   The diode loop allows for both positive and negative pulses from the oscillator to be utilized by the output.
The IN4148 diodes are switching diodes, and help to increase the voltage, similar to what your capacitors are doing. The two leds bulbs that are in the middle of the diode loop are 120v 8w AC bulbs, and can light fairly bright, although not as bright as when connected to the grid. Each diode added to the loop is increasing the output voltage. Each bulb is equivalent of a 60w incandescent bulb.
  Possibly the same type of diode loop and led bulbs can be used on your type of oscillator or device to allow both polarities (full sine wave) to be used, which may give a higher bulb brightness (lumin levels) than what incandescent bulbs will do on limited input sources.
   The oscillator, (or signal generator) is on the left side of the diagram, cap C1 and C2 help to separate the polarities from the source pulses, along with the series connected twin diode loops.
   If you have questions, just let me know.                                                             
                                                             

Your C1, C2 here are very interesting.
When you adding diodes you are adding resistance, so in C1, C2 will remain charges from that phase because of resistance, they will not empty all the way.

Whatever voltage remains in them from that phase,
in next phase they will be in serial connection with source raising (adding it's voltage to source voltage) the voltage on their line.

You are doing the same thing as CZero does, but with diodes.
Using serial connection of caps and source.

Maybe I am wrong, but it looks to me that is the case.
You can test it easily. Remove caps, if the voltage do not raise then that's it.
Just like in Zero, remove CZero, voltage is gone, and power.

OK, thanks for help!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 13, 2019, 03:45:18 PM
What you are doing is not unknown,  it is the electro-magnetical device in :
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernwaffe (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernwaffe)
 the chain reaction starter, by compact impulse !
What is written under the first picture?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockcroft%E2%80%93Walton_generator)
https://www.google.com/search?q=farnsworth+fusor&client=firefox-b&oq=farnsworth+fusor&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.3...153299.156409.0.157160.6.6.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..34.mobile-heirloom-serp..6.0.0.3iAUs2knNG0 (https://www.google.com/search?q=farnsworth+fusor&client=firefox-b&oq=farnsworth+fusor&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.3...153299.156409.0.157160.6.6.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..34.mobile-heirloom-serp..6.0.0.3iAUs2knNG0)

PROLIFERATION ?
Messer,Gabel,Schere,Licht(?) : sind fuer " kleine Kinder " NICHT ALLOWED !
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 03:53:30 PM

   The oscillator, (or signal generator) is on the left side of the diagram, cap C1 and C2 help to separate the polarities from the source pulses, along with the series connected twin diode loops.
   If you have questions, just let me know.                                                             
                                                             

This is very interesting circuit.

I didn't saw before that you separating polarities!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 13, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
If the voltage on caps are doubled, then the power on that caps is doubled too (more than double actually).??
Capacitor of 100uF filled to 175V has more power than capacitor of 100uF 90V.

We are talking about power here. Time to accept that.
OK. Let try one last time.
 
Your statement is correct in that the 175V charged cap has more stored energy than the 90V charged cap. However, you need to understand that the increase voltage is not a free energy gain because it has been achieved by pulling additional energy from the power supply. A voltage doubler has to use both cycles of the AC supply to function. Whilst the caps 1 to 3 are discharging to L2, CZero is re-charging. You fail to show this on your current flow diagrams in your book. So, when the caps 1 to 3 are ready to re-charge from the supply, they also receive the additional peak voltage already stored in CZero from the previous cycle, thus the voltage doubling action. See this (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/voltage-multipliers/) link for a full explanation on the operation of voltage doublers.
 
If you were to measure the input and output power correctly, you would find that although the current discharge from caps C1 to C3 is now just sufficient for L1 to glow, it is at the expense of a large voltage reduction measured across L1 in comparison with the combined peak voltage levels on C1 to C3.
 
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
OK. Let try one last time.
 
Your statement is correct in that the 175V charged cap has more stored energy than the 90V charged cap. However, you need to understand that the increase voltage is not a free energy gain because it has been achieved by pulling additional energy from the power supply. A voltage doubler has to use both cycles of the AC supply to function. Whilst the caps 1 to 3 are discharging to L2, CZero is re-charging. You fail to show this on your current flow diagrams in your book. So, when the caps 1 to 3 are ready to re-charge from the supply, they also receive the additional peak voltage already stored in CZero from the previous cycle, thus the voltage doubling action. See this (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/voltage-multipliers/) link for a full explanation on the operation of voltage doublers.
 
If you were to measure the input and output power correctly, you would find that although the current discharge from caps C1 to C3 is now just sufficient for L1 to glow, it is at the expense of a large voltage reduction measured across L1 in comparison with the combined peak voltage levels on C1 to C3.


Ok, you are right.


Can you tell me did you made the input output  power measure?


I am asking you that because I am waiting for measurement results from few other people.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: Hoppy on January 13, 2019, 10:55:39 PM

Ok, you are right.


Can you tell me did you made the input output  power measure?


I am asking you that because I am waiting for measurement results from few other people.
No, not on your specific circuit but I have measured power levels on other circuits using voltage doubling circuitry.

Please understand that I'm simply giving you the accepted understanding of how this type of circuitry functions within the conventions of electrical principles. I am not here to give you a set of test measurements and I'm not intending, after your harsh and disrespectful worded replies to me and others just trying to help you gain a better understanding, to post any further on this thread. Its up to you whether you still continue to believe that your circuit is amplifying power.

Best wishes.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 13, 2019, 11:36:55 PM

I just received measurements of J circuit.
Load is 10ohm.

You helped Hoopy. Thanks. It is reasonable that you don't have to measure anything.
I respect your view.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 14, 2019, 12:24:01 AM
   Looks like the feed back circuit is returning less than 100mA to the 12v battery. Which would not keep the battery up for very long, if a 25w bulb or bigger bulb were used as the load.
   But, there is no actual output readings, at the bulb, to compare with the input current.
   Karlo: here is a link to the "double diode loop" by Dr. Stiffler.
   https://youtu.be/8VRqf8E8VIM (https://youtu.be/8VRqf8E8VIM)
   I also have some videos about that circuit, or at least my versions of the Docs device, if interested.
   You can look on youtube,  just search for my name, Nick Zec.
   Or for my youtube channel.   Here is my last video about the diode loop.: https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc (https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: lancaIV on January 14, 2019, 08:20:47 AM
1 circuit,  cycle 90% peak efficiency :
------------------------------------------
1 . cycle 100% in    90% out

2 . cycle   90% in    81% out

3 . cycle   81% in    73% out

..   cycle.   .  % in.  +-0% out

COMBINED "TOTAL WORK CYCLES " OUTPUT ( 90% + 81% + ...... ) FROM THE BEGINNINGS "100%" !?
                                                     result/ numbers of cycles : average efficiency
                            peak cycle efficiency : average cycle efficiency : coefficient of work performance
.................
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306121298_Mandelstam-Papalexi-Bethenod_Generator_a_Parametric_Dynamo (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306121298_Mandelstam-Papalexi-Bethenod_Generator_a_Parametric_Dynamo)
different research view and kinds and modi about :
https://www.google.com/search?q=parametric+generator+papalexi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b (https://www.google.com/search?q=parametric+generator+papalexi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b)
Melde-Rayleigh-Experiment et cet.
--------------
                                 C. O. P.  actually in average of industrial split-heat pumps :

                 U.S. gov studies end70'/80'/90'/.... and DE FRAUNHOFER INSTITUTES 201...
                                           < = 1 , not P but PE is the source calculation divisor :

                                average heat pump work C.O.P. :  < 2,0.  / (  average PE/ electric P  ) C.O.P. :  - 2,0         
                                   Primary Energy (PE~" Power") / Electric Energy ( "Electric Power")

                                                                  < 2,0 / - 2 =

                                                                  < 1 as Total on-grid C. O. P. 


                                in households cable-grid-losts .........( ? Meters cable   P- source   to   P-consumer ?)
                                               positive C. O. P. ~ gain, win and negative C. O. P. ~ losts

                                    1 important PARAMETER : CIRCUIT LENGTH ( / VELOCITY)           

                                      and the number of conversion steps ( load flow barrier)       


                   https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKirchhoffsche_Regeln (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKirchhoffsche_Regeln)     
                   BUT:     when not  :   .......=  0
                   then                 
             
                   https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAmp%25C3%25A8resches_Gesetz (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAmp%25C3%25A8resches_Gesetz)
                   AMPERES LAW + MAXWELL'S " DISPLACEMENT CURRENT"- extension               


                  to become an  " UNIVERSAL AMPERE- MAXWELL LAW"

                  but because AMPERE LAW = LAPLACE LAW = BIOT-SAVART LAW

                  "LAPLACE-MAXWELL LAW" AND " BIOT-SAVART-MAXWELL LAW" are equal


                   ERGO : " AMPERE-LAPLACE-BIOT-SAVART-MAXWELL UNIVERSAL LAW"
                                 
                   https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8resches_Gesetz (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8resches_Gesetz)

                           thermodynamic Carnot circuit :
                  evaporator,  condensator,  Drossel,  compressor  + fluidum ( f.e.  Butanol- liquid  - 78°C)

                          electrodynamic Carnot charge acceleration/deceleration  circuit  :

                                                                              Drift-Strom             

                                                  Raumladungsdichte x Driftgeschwindigkeit
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FElektrische_Stromdichte (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FElektrische_Stromdichte)
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 14, 2019, 01:06:56 PM
   Looks like the feed back circuit is returning less than 100mA to the 12v battery. Which would not keep the battery up for very long, if a 25w bulb or bigger bulb were used as the load.
   But, there is no actual output readings, at the bulb, to compare with the input current.
   Karlo: here is a link to the "double diode loop" by Dr. Stiffler.
   https://youtu.be/8VRqf8E8VIM (https://youtu.be/8VRqf8E8VIM)
   I also have some videos about that circuit, or at least my versions of the Docs device, if interested.
   You can look on youtube,  just search for my name, Nick Zec.
   Or for my youtube channel.   Here is my last video about the diode loop.: https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc (https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc)


It draws from battery 90mA an returning 110mA.


But it also means that primary coils eats 200mA and returning 110mA. That coil is only 50% efficient.


Great way to see efficiency of transformer.
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: densama on January 15, 2019, 10:50:55 AM
theres beautifully crafty and sly person in the forum that try to misdirection correct path in smart energy device. Keep up the good work Vkarlo8 .. thumbs up

Tito, Dave45 and Chris Skies and other great experimenter get the same experience like u ... Just ignore and b cool mr. vkarlo. KEEP FAITH
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: v8karlo on January 15, 2019, 12:17:33 PM
theres beautifully crafty and sly person in the forum that try to misdirection correct path in smart energy device. Keep up the good work Vkarlo8 .. thumbs up

Tito, Dave45 and Chris Skies and other great experimenter get the same experience like u ... Just ignore and b cool mr. vkarlo. KEEP FAITH




Thx, but there is nothing to worry about.


At the end of the day when dust settles, they will all seat at the bench and try, no matter how much they were against it.


The process needs time.


But there is a lot more people who loved idea of sharing and trying. A lot more than I expected.


So, thanks. If I will have something new, I will share it.


Stay good!
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: densama on January 20, 2019, 09:56:34 AM
not yet ... but getting ready to test. ( zero device )
Verify ... please

THE TRANSISTOR not right specs .. is there alternative ...Vkarlo ?
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: NickZ on January 20, 2019, 03:33:29 PM
   V8Karlo:   
   The idea with the video linked below, by Dr. Stiffler, is to show how a small input source from the signal generator can be increased to provide for higher amperage and voltage, by the use of his series connected "diode loop" and capacitor.    Perhaps this has some similarities to your circuits. 
   I'm just trying to understand where any "extra power" may be coming from, and why. 
   Out of thin air...                             NickZ
   https://youtu.be/sgKetMbQMGY
Title: Re: Zero and Q device
Post by: forest on January 20, 2019, 05:23:03 PM
from the inductance of the wires and the effect is tapping the earth magnetic field