Author Topic: A fresh look at the Clem motor (Read 21208 times)

TommeyReed · « **Reply #120 on:** April 24, 2023, 07:39:20 PM »

aussiebattler,

If you think it's that simple, then you would have to prove it.

Energy is not free, to generate heat in anyway will take energy, Input of mechanical work to output of heat will cost you greatly.

What do I know, you seem to have all the answers and theories in a box of cookies!

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #121 on:** April 24, 2023, 08:37:36 PM »

You still dont get it do you Tommey?
I before anybody else here state where the energy comes from - it comes from the heat contained in the ambient which replaces the heat loss at the venturis. The convection flow in the oil producesthe pressure that then increases in the spiral - (and I cant make that soind funny)
ab

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #122 on:** April 25, 2023, 10:24:05 AM »

Quote from: aussiebattler on April 24, 2023, 08:37:36 PM

You still dont get it do you Tommey?
I before anybody else here state where the energy comes from - it comes from the heat contained in the ambient which replaces the heat loss at the venturis. The convection flow in the oil producesthe pressure that then increases in the spiral - (and I cant make that soind funny)
ab

If you believe this to be the case:

Show me a single Venturi that can do any of this.
(just ab… anyone else don’t waste your time: temperature changes in a venturi system are proportional to the speed of the fluid)

aussiebattler · « **Reply #123 on:** April 25, 2023, 10:43:36 AM »

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 25, 2023, 10:24:05 AM

If you believe this to be the case:

Show me a single Venturi that can do any of this.
(just ab… anyone else don’t waste your time: temperature changes in a venturi system are proportional to the speed of the fluid)

Do you not believe there are large temperature and pressure increases before the venturi hence high rate of discharge and then low pressure and low temp after?

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temperature changes in a venturi system are proportional to the speed of the fluid

Do you mean directly or inversely proportional? (only smokey is to answer others dont waste your time )

aussiebattler · « **Reply #124 on:** April 25, 2023, 10:58:35 AM »

aussiebattler · « **Reply #125 on:** April 25, 2023, 11:35:23 PM »

Quote from: TommeyReed on April 23, 2023, 09:23:57 PM

Tom

OK Think I got it Tommy. Your car has fallen to pieces and you want us to help you fix it?

ab

TommeyReed · « **Reply #126 on:** April 26, 2023, 03:47:06 AM »

aussiebattler,

I'm amazed that you are so funny, but at the end of the day you will have to prove your theories.

You have a good idea, but even ideas needs to be proven. When do you plan to finish your project?

Theories is like writing a science fiction book, it all sounds good but until you prove it; it's nothing more then a fantasy!

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #127 on:** April 26, 2023, 06:33:49 AM »

Finish?
Nah
I'm having too much fun
ab

TommeyReed · « **Reply #128 on:** April 26, 2023, 02:22:36 PM »

Go woke, go broke!

All talk and no action, is why this world is full of insane people who make claims and do nothing to prove it.

Even our education system is broken with theories after theories that are not facts.

Experiments always override theories no matter what they are.

Sometimes I wonder if these site have hacks and scams to keep others from finding answer to our energy needs.

I wouldn't be surprise if even the government is following these post and have insiders to create chaos and miss information!

I'm still keep to open source, and fully understand that this is the only way to change the system we live in today.

Those who control energy, control the world and freedom!

I hope to work with others on these projects, but sometime you have to wonder if we have hacks on these forums also.

Tom.

aussiebattler · « **Reply #129 on:** April 26, 2023, 08:37:27 PM »

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Experiments always override theories no matter what they are.

But I say....
Good theories overide bad experiments

ab

ramset · « **Reply #130 on:** April 27, 2023, 04:13:52 PM »

Sir,
I have often heard ,
“No such thing as a bad experiment “
Typically it takes an experiment to prove a theory..

IMO it should be possible to mimic this effect you propose…in a test chamber,
Or apparatus which can meet all criteria.
Granted we don’t need to see 350 hp ( Clems claim ?)
A few “ponies or hamster power” in a test rig which can show a measurable /scalable gain?
Can you model such an experiment.. or give specifics for this theory to manifest?
Temp , flow rate ,pressure ( or vacuum?) etc etc ?

Sincerely
Chet K
Ps
we are all here to bring change…
The more who can experiment ( simple testing of theory)
The better our chances to bring change..this is after all
How Open source works!
Pps
Your image is too blurry to read even when downloaded
?
Maybe post link ( sorry if you have already posted somewhere?)

aussiebattler · « **Reply #131 on:** May 01, 2023, 09:46:23 PM »

I hope answers are here

ab

aussiebattler · « **Reply #132 on:** May 01, 2023, 09:54:47 PM »

citfta · « **Reply #133 on:** May 04, 2023, 09:25:50 PM »

Continuing from my last post about using a long tapered gently curving pipe. What also seems to be overlooked by a lot of experimenters concerning the Clem engine is the nozzle and reaction force from that nozzle. As most of us know we use a small nozzle to increase the velocity of the fluid (gas or air). And of course the higher the velocity of the fluid being expelled the greater reaction force. But that is only one aspect of the reaction force. The density of the material being expelled also affects the amount of reaction force. The more dense the material the higher the reaction force.

But probably just as important as the velocity of the fluid is the amount of fluid being expelled. I think this is the primary area being ignored by most experimenters. We need a small nozzle to increase the velocity of the fluid but the more fluid we expel the more reaction force we get. For some reason most of the experiments I see are only using 4 small nozzles. They are getting the velocity but not the volume. The answer of course is to use more nozzles. I will be conducting some tests soon I hope, but my experience tells me that you probably need at least 8 nozzles in order to get the amount of thrust you need to make the Clem engine work.

Respectfully,
Carroll

ramset · « **Reply #134 on:** May 05, 2023, 12:25:18 AM »

Quote from: aussiebattler on May 01, 2023, 09:46:23 PM

I hope answers are here

ab

AB
Yes the answer is there ( somewhat… snippet from your PDF below)

I do believe a static test bed can manifest the pressure ( I know that’s a tuff question to ask
“What pressure”?)
Also : 300 degrees? No issues with manifesting any given temperature …within reason.
And the nozzle ? ( orifice or Venturi spec ?
Also not too difficult to get a ballpark feel for developed thrust ?

IMO
Easier to do a mockup than a total build .( for Carroll’s build recommendation also)

Thanks for sharing PDF
For clarity
Yes hot oil is quite dangerous to work with
However
Most things we play with here are equally as dicey…
On that note,

Tommey’s path towards investigation
Phase change water/atmosphere injected into hot oil is not gonna be a walk in the park either .
Below generic static test video of Water phase change in hot oil ….explosion video again !

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAbV-yXy0M
Slow motion starts approx .52sec- 1 minute into vid ..Mucho gusto …”instant” 1600 fold expansions …

Respectfully
Chet K

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