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Offline dieter

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #120 on: February 18, 2017, 03:18:47 AM »
Yeah, sorry, I must have mixed up something.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #121 on: February 21, 2017, 03:19:24 PM »

I'm contemplating on a series (cascade effect) for the next build.
If there is a gain, it should be obvious then


Hi Luc,

When you say "a series build" do you mean you will link multiply systems together? Just curious.
I am looking forward to your next build.

I am developing a mechanism to capture the "stop and go" motion of your setup and use it in a "two bicycle wheel" setup,
since continuous rotation ultimately is going to be the most efficient.  A linear sliding setup should work as well. One way
to capture the motion of the magnets is to create cam followers to follow two separate tracks to create the "stop and go" motion.

Keep up the great work!
Alex


Offline gotoluc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #122 on: February 21, 2017, 05:34:38 PM »
Hi Alex,

Thanks for your interest.         

When you say "a series build" do you mean you will link multiply systems together? Just curious.

Yes, they are linked to multiply in a way.
The idea is, if there's a gain, then the first unit can be calibrated to use its gain to operate the polarity flip slider of the second unit. That way all the output of the second unit is free to use or to re-use to operate a 3rd unit and so on.
Each unit or stage should be able to have 50% more magnet surface area causing an exponential torque amplification as the stages are added.
This is the idea but at this point only a theory since it hasn't been built or tested.

I am developing a mechanism to capture the "stop and go" motion of your setup and use it in a "two bicycle wheel" setup,
since continuous rotation ultimately is going to be the most efficient.  A linear sliding setup should work as well. One way
to capture the motion of the magnets is to create cam followers to follow two separate tracks to create the "stop and go" motion.

Glad to see someone working on this!

Regards

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #122 on: February 21, 2017, 05:34:38 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #123 on: February 22, 2017, 12:41:11 AM »
A little comic relief that just might floor you ,
I hope its not out of place.

.....................................
If one seeks proof of perpetual motion....
One need only to look to the length of men's arguments upon that subject.  :)
........................
Conservation of momentum is the most critical aspect of most over unity designs .....

This is because ...
most designs, rely upon momentum as their  primary energy source. ;)
..........................
          Some say that
Playing with magnets is like a rocking chair, while
it gives a person something to do, it gets them no where !
          further more
Magnets are dangerous !  If two or more are swallowed, their attraction
can pinch right through an organ !

I have even heard magnets referred to as    "the devils junk"   by some.

So ... my suggestions ares
                  don't play with the devils junk
                        and especially ......
                  never let the devil put his junk into your mouth.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #124 on: February 22, 2017, 07:05:40 PM »

Yes, they are linked to multiply in a way.
The idea is, if there's a gain, then the first unit can be calibrated to use its gain to operate the polarity flip slider of the second unit. That way all the output of the second unit is free to use or to re-use to operate a 3rd unit and so on.
Each unit or stage should be able to have 50% more magnet surface area causing an exponential torque amplification as the stages are added.
This is the idea but at this point only a theory since it hasn't been built or tested.


Luc and Floor,

Your cascade setup sounds very exciting.  I hope it will work as expected.

Upon playing more with the ceramic magnets, I realized that continuous rotation may not be achievable with your setup.
The output magnet seems to only do positive work in the 11 mm stroke(maybe a tiny bit more than 11mm), and as it moves further than 11mm it enters into attraction mode which essentially creates a sticky spot.  Unless I am setting up my magnets in the wrong way.  Can you confirm this or let me know what I may be doing wrong?

I've completed my conceptual design on the "stop and go" mechanism, but I still need to figure out some of the mathematical relationships.  I will post pictures or a video of the concept when I have it in a presentable form.

Regards,
Alex


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Re: TD replications
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #125 on: February 22, 2017, 08:54:57 PM »
Upon playing more with the ceramic magnets, I realized that continuous rotation may not be achievable with your setup.
The output magnet seems to only do positive work in the 11 mm stroke(maybe a tiny bit more than 11mm), and as it moves further than 11mm it enters into attraction mode which essentially creates a sticky spot.  Unless I am setting up my magnets in the wrong way.  Can you confirm this or let me know what I may be doing wrong?

Regards,
Alex

Hi Alex,

It is difficult to see what's different without seeing what you've built. Can you make a video so I can see what could be different.

Two things my device has is, the magnets on the wheel are alternating north south and the 11mm magnet has stops (wood blocks) to limit the 11mm magnet stroke so it does not get out of range.

Maybe watch the video again to see these limiter blocks.

Looking forward to seeing what you've built.

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #126 on: February 22, 2017, 09:42:46 PM »
Luc,

Thanks for the quick reply.  I did notice the alternating magnet pole arrangement (which is where the self re-set comes from), and the limiter blocks (which is where the 11 mm is coming from).  I am trying to emulate your setup exactly.  I guess my question is if you remove the limiter blocks, how much further will the slider magnet travel beyond the 11mm distance.  Apparently, don't remove the limiter blocks just to answer my question.  I will set something up tonight and make a video to clarify my question.

Regards,
Alex

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #126 on: February 22, 2017, 09:42:46 PM »
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Offline gotoluc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #127 on: February 22, 2017, 10:19:58 PM »
The 11mm magnet can travel a little more then where I limited them but if its center goes past the side edge of the rotating magnet it won't flip back on its own when the next rotating magnet comes in. That's the main reason for the limiters.

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #128 on: February 23, 2017, 01:33:59 AM »
Opening a latch while it is is under a large force
can use a lot of energy.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #128 on: February 23, 2017, 01:33:59 AM »
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #129 on: February 23, 2017, 02:50:41 AM »
I stumbled on this video and wondered if anyone has heard about this device.

MTG (Magnetic Torque Generator)

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI2Fwb91PhI

As for my device, I should have a larger version to demonstrate late next week.

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #130 on: February 23, 2017, 06:02:35 AM »
The 11mm magnet can travel a little more then where I limited them but if its center goes past the side edge of the rotating magnet it won't flip back on its own when the next rotating magnet comes in. That's the main reason for the limiters.


Luc,


Below is the link to a video showing my build which is the same setup as yours except I turned the bicycle wheel into a slide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-BqcWUHmWY&feature=youtu.be
The video shows the sticky spot I've mentioned in my previous post.  This would not affect your linear reciprocating build.  It only affects continuous rotation designs(example: mounting the magnets on 2 bicycle wheels instead of a bicycle wheel+slider setup as you've used in your video).  I guess this renders the "stop and go" mechanism useless then.  Anyway, I look forward to your next build.


Regards,
Alex

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #131 on: February 23, 2017, 05:36:30 PM »
@Cairun

Nice video / device !  thanks

So far, my own attempts at a constantly rotating version
have not worked out. 

Going with the    full stop.... then... next action, 
seems always to give the better results.

Conserving all of the energy of momentum would be nice
but doesn't have to happen... at all.

Our / "the free energy researcher's",  obsession with continuous
rotation has been (perhaps)... one of the primary reasons that these
interactions have been over looked in the past /  for so long.

I'm not phrasing some new law here (heaven forbid) !
             but
Hard right angle interactions, stop actions and reciprocation .... works....
circular hasn't !  Curious don't you think ?
...
...
A longer stroke in the output will have a more extreme drop off in
force... near the end of that stroke.  That force while it may otherwise be "wasted" 
would also be difficult to practically utilize, (staying near to the average force is good)
................
I think maybe, a longer  INPUT  stroke might be the first thing to try to expand.
i.e yet longer magnets in what is already their longest dimension
                                   or two magnets end to end
...............
Next.... maybe a wider  "output magnet"  width ? .....and cascading

 just my take on it
                     regards
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #132 on: February 23, 2017, 08:08:05 PM »
Floor,

Thank you!

Quote
Going with the    full stop.... then... next action, 
seems always to give the better results.

Conserving all of the energy of momentum would be nice
but doesn't have to happen... at all.

I agree, the "full stop....then...next action" is necessary.
And conservation of all momentum is not necessary to achieve OU, although it would be nice if that were possible.

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Our / "the free energy researcher's",  obsession with continuous
rotation has been (perhaps)... one of the primary reasons that these
interactions have been over looked in the past /  for so long.

Perhaps, that's true.  I am always too eager to reach the end goal and overlook certain subtle but important details.

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A longer stroke in the output will have a more extreme drop off in
force... near the end of that stroke.  That force while it may otherwise be "wasted" 
would also be difficult to practically utilize, (staying near to the average force is good)

I agree, and the extreme drop off ultimately turns into a sticky spot.  Finding the limits of the stroke is essential in maximizing the output.  Although, a 60% excess of output to input is pretty good too.

Quote
I think maybe, a longer  INPUT  stroke might be the first thing to try to expand.
i.e yet longer magnets in what is already their longest dimension
                                   or two magnets end to end
...............
Next.... maybe a wider  "output magnet"  width ? .....and cascading

I agree, increasing the both magnets' length will increase the output force.  And increasing the output magnet's width will increase the length of the output stroke.  Although, I think input work required may increase as well.  However I don't know if the increase in input vs output will proportional.

Additionally, The sticky spot is irrelevant now that I've had some time to think about it. 
Stepping through the operational sequence I see now that the input magnet will move away before the output magnet moves beyond the 11mm of stroke.  A huge brain fart on my part...  I will continue to develop my "stop and go" mechanism.

Best regards,
Alex

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #133 on: February 24, 2017, 12:22:04 AM »

Luc,


Below is the link to a video showing my build which is the same setup as yours except I turned the bicycle wheel into a slide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-BqcWUHmWY&feature=youtu.be
The video shows the sticky spot I've mentioned in my previous post.  This would not affect your linear reciprocating build.  It only affects continuous rotation designs(example: mounting the magnets on 2 bicycle wheels instead of a bicycle wheel+slider setup as you've used in your video).  I guess this renders the "stop and go" mechanism useless then.  Anyway, I look forward to your next build.

Regards,
Alex

Nice and clean build Alex. Thanks for making a video.
I understand now what you're trying to do which won't work that way as you've concluded.
You don't want to use the (11mm) magnet to exit because of a sticky spot in that dimension. Use the other magnet to exit since it has next to no sticky spot.
It would take too much writing for me to describe how I envision it all working, so you're going to have to wait for my next video which should demonstrate more of how I plan to solve this.

Hopefully I'll have something next week
Great work!

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #134 on: February 24, 2017, 01:07:40 AM »
Nice and clean build Alex. Thanks for making a video.
I understand now what you're trying to do which won't work that way as you've concluded.
You don't want to use the (11mm) magnet to exit because of a sticky spot in that dimension. Use the other magnet to exit since it has next to no sticky spot.
It would take too much writing for me to describe how I envision it all working, so you're going to have to wait for my next video which should demonstrate more of how I plan to solve this.

Hopefully I'll have something next week
Great work!

Luc


Luc,


Thanks.  The build took longer than I expected, but I am glad you like it.
I look forward to your next video.


And, thanks for the pointers.
I did, after thinking through the operational sequence, realize the sticky spot is irrelevant and will not pose any problems.


Best regards,
Alex




 

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