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Author Topic: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System  (Read 19173 times)

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2015, 05:06:14 AM »
Nink is trolling this thread.

1.)  Nink asserted that the device will only work when it is raining.  <----Totally False!

2.)  Nink asserted that somebody was spraying mist.  <-----Totally False!

3.)  Nink asserted that this isn't a form of renewable energy.  <-----Totally False!

4.)  Nink asserted that an electrical fan was used in the video for the rotary engine.  <-----Totally False!

5.)  Nink asserted that an electrical pump is required to inject humidity-controlled air into an enclosed chamber for it's proper operation.  <-----Totally False!

6.)  Nink asserted that a water pump is required to move the moisture back to the water reservoir.  <-----Totally False!

7.)  Nink asserted that it takes 10x the output of the device to move the water back to the reservoir.  <-----Totally False!

8.)  Nink asserted that the device is a closed system.  <-----Totally False!

9.)  Nink asserted that two environments (1 humid and 1 dry) can't be maintained.  <-----Totally False!

.......stay tuned for more false assertions, more misinformation, and more deceptions by Nink!

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2015, 05:06:14 AM »

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2015, 09:00:33 AM »
i missed the point of the reservoir up till now. i get it now. thanx.

amazing how much force against gravity spores can create. that is alot of lifting power and that component of the machine is also renewable.

It's good to see you didn't fall for any of Nink's B.S..  In the video, the oscillatory engine sits on the surface of the water for it's humidity source.  However, it's not a requirement for it to sit on the surface of the water.  It only needs a source of humidity for the layer of spores (muscle) to expand in order for it to open the shutters to release the evaporation and humidity.  Once the evaporation has been released and the humidity levels decrease, then the muscle will contract and the shutters will close again until the muscle acquires enough humidity to expand again to repeat the process.

We could integrate the oscillatory engine into the moisture mill, which will increase the efficiency of the system.  The dryer side of the moisture mill could have layer after layer of spores (multiple muscles) to capture the evaporation released from the spores on the moisture mill and to release this evaporation through the shutters of the oscillatory engine.  The shutters will be around the same height of the water reservoir of the moisture mill.  This makes it easy to recycle the evaporation back to the water reservoir via condensation on the WarkaWater Tower.  This will allow the spores on the moisture mill to release their moisture content at a higher rate, which results in a higher RPM, torque, and energy output for the moisture mill.  Also, additional energy from the oscillatory engine can be extracted.  The important thing is to have the shutters release the evaporation before the muscles become saturated.  If the muscles become saturated with moisture, then the humidity levels will begin to rise on the dryer side of the wheel.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2015, 10:27:45 AM »
It's good to see you didn't fall for any of Nink's B.S..  In the video, the oscillatory engine sits on the surface of the water for it's humidity source.  However, it's not a requirement for it to sit on the surface of the water.  It only needs a source of humidity for the layer of spores (muscle) to expand in order for it to open the shutters to release the evaporation and humidity.  Once the evaporation has been released and the humidity levels decrease, then the muscle will contract and the shutters will close again until the muscle acquires enough humidity to expand again to repeat the process.

We could integrate the oscillatory engine into the moisture mill, which will increase the efficiency of the system.  The dryer side of the moisture mill could have layer after layer of spores (multiple muscles) to capture the evaporation released from the spores on the moisture mill and to release this evaporation through the shutters of the oscillatory engine.  The shutters will be around the same height of the water reservoir of the moisture mill.  This makes it easy to recycle the evaporation back to the water reservoir via condensation on the WarkaWater Tower.  This will allow the spores on the moisture mill to release their moisture content at a higher rate, which results in a higher RPM, torque, and energy output for the moisture mill.  Also, additional energy from the oscillatory engine can be extracted.  The important thing is to have the shutters release the evaporation before the muscles become saturated.  If the muscles become saturated with moisture, then the humidity levels will begin to rise on the dryer side of the wheel.

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one concern would be winter.
the wheel would have to inside a temp controlling structure of sorts.
somehow thawing what it needed and sending that to the reservoir.
and the reservoir should maybe be on the lower part of the wheel. you also mentioned that too.

some practical test wheels next.

all choices in best materials and where to buy them..

4 or 5 design considerations

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2015, 11:16:01 AM »
one concern would be winter.
the wheel would have to inside some sort of temp controlling chamber of sorts.
somehow thawing what it needed and sending that to the reservoir.
and the reservoir should maybe be on the lower part of the wheel. you also mentioned that too.

some practical test wheels next.

material choices..

Yes, winter is an obstacle.  However, there are solutions to the water freezing.  The moisture mill itself could be moved indoors.  The WarkaWater Tower would need to stay outside, and wouldn't be beneficial for collecting condensation when the outdoor temperature is below or near freezing.  This is where an insulated storage tank of water would be beneficial.  The moisture evaporating from the shutters could be fed to your furnace.  The furnace would then distribute the warm moist air throughout your home.  This has quite a few benefits.  It causes the wood around your window seals, etc to swell which decreases heat loss.  You'll feel more comfortable at a lower temperature with a humidified home in the winter and there are health benefits with this also.  There will be some heat loss through the roof, which will aid the sun in slowly melting a snow-covered roof, which could be recycled back to the water reservoir or insulated storage tank.  The home will quickly lose it's humidity, so there is no worry about having humidity build up to such a high level where it would have a negative effect on the system.   I'm just throwing out a few ideas off the top of my head at the moment and I'm sure there are other solutions to this obstacle, such as insulation and/or placing the moisture mill in the ground below the frost line and/or using solar and/or wind turbines to heat the surrounding air of the moisture mill, etc.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2015, 12:51:32 PM »
Nink is trolling this thread.
I have been responding to questions asked.  My opening question was  "how do you maintain two environments, one wet and one dry?"  The inventors manually moved water to the top of devices to achieve this and the energy consumption to move the water exceeds the energy created by the wheel.    The premise of the invention is that the paper remains wet.  You have to keep the paper wet to make it work. You can only keep the paper wet by providing moisture to the paper. Either manually placing it in the reservoir as you see in the video or pumping moisture to just 1 half of the device. 

If the entire device was in a humid environment it would not work.  Both sides the spores would be wet and the wheel would become balanced and not rotate.

The invention as stated will not work without external intervention (manually moving water, fans or pumping in humid air).  You are trying to make it work using additional systems that further complicate the design and provide a strawman for your additional arguments that it works.

I agree the spores are quite amazing but I don't agree they can be used to generate power.  The inventors should be focusing on designs such as cut off relays for electronics when devices become moist (spores expand break circuit to battery), window defogger sensors that switch on when expanding and moisture builds up on car windows. There are lots of applications but perpetual motion wheels are not one of them.

I continue to assert that you can not have 2 separate environments with a wheel moving between them so it has to be open on one side. If it is open the environments will equalize unless you provide some type of system that is powered to maintain these 2 separate environments. If this is not the case the device will quickly equalize and stop functioning.


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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2015, 08:52:02 PM »
I have been responding to questions asked.  My opening question was  "how do you maintain two environments, one wet and one dry?"  The inventors manually moved water to the top of devices to achieve this and the energy consumption to move the water exceeds the energy created by the wheel.    The premise of the invention is that the paper remains wet.  You have to keep the paper wet to make it work. You can only keep the paper wet by providing moisture to the paper. Either manually placing it in the reservoir as you see in the video or pumping moisture to just 1 half of the device. 

If the entire device was in a humid environment it would not work.  Both sides the spores would be wet and the wheel would become balanced and not rotate.

The invention as stated will not work without external intervention (manually moving water, fans or pumping in humid air).  You are trying to make it work using additional systems that further complicate the design and provide a strawman for your additional arguments that it works.

I agree the spores are quite amazing but I don't agree they can be used to generate power.  The inventors should be focusing on designs such as cut off relays for electronics when devices become moist (spores expand break circuit to battery), window defogger sensors that switch on when expanding and moisture builds up on car windows. There are lots of applications but perpetual motion wheels are not one of them.

I continue to assert that you can not have 2 separate environments with a wheel moving between them so it has to be open on one side. If it is open the environments will equalize unless you provide some type of system that is powered to maintain these 2 separate environments. If this is not the case the device will quickly equalize and stop functioning.

Sahin doesn't agree with you, and I don't either.  He believe the device can be made self-sustaining, as I do.  Here's a small quote by Sahin, “We made a lot of compromises in creating this version in hopes of creating a self-sufficient device.  We know actually that it can be made 100 times more powerful by solving a number of problems.”

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2015, 09:03:09 PM »
If the entire device was in a humid environment it would not work.  Both sides the spores would be wet and the wheel would become balanced and not rotate.

Another false assertion by you!  If you live in a humid environment, then you don't need a water reservoir, wet paper towels, WarkaWater Tower, etc.  You would only need to install an oscillatory engine over one half of the moisture mill, which will pull the humidity out of the air and release it through the shutters.  This keeps one side of the wheel dry and the other side of the wheel humid.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2015, 09:22:38 PM »
Another false assertion by you!  If you live in a humid environment, then you don't need a water reservoir, wet paper towels, WarkaWater Tower, etc.  You would only need to install an oscillatory engine over one half of the moisture mill, which will pull the humidity out of the air and release it through the shutters.  This keeps one side of the wheel dry and the other side of the wheel humid.

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HOW DO YOU POWER YOUR "OSCILLATORY ENGINE" ?   WE ARE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES.

I am having a rube Goldberg moment, and this is usually the case with propetual motion machines. You just keep adding components to solve the problem the previous components created. 

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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2015, 09:26:56 PM »
The invention as stated will not work without external intervention (manually moving water, fans or pumping in humid air).  You are trying to make it work using additional systems that further complicate the design and provide a strawman for your additional arguments that it works.

No, it is you who is complicating the concept and misrepresenting the facts at every turn.  Water doesn't need to be manually moved as you continue to falsely assert.  Yes, they manually filled a reservoir with water in the video.  This was for demonstration purposes only, and wouldn't be necessary in a more fully developed system.  How can you be so shallow? ROFLMAO!

The system doesn't need to pump in humid air and to use an electrical fan to move this humid-controlled air around as you falsely assert!  That was a controlled experiment to simulate a moisture mill in a humid environment so they could collect data on the power output vs. the potential differences of the two environments.  In my previous post, I clearly showed how the system can be simplified in a humid environment and how it's easy to maintain two environments (1 humid and 1 dryer).

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2015, 09:40:38 PM »
HOW DO YOU POWER YOUR "OSCILLATORY ENGINE" ?   WE ARE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES.

I am having a rube Goldberg moment, and this is usually the case with propetual motion machines. You just keep adding components to solve the problem the previous components created.

The shutters open and closes as the spores absorb and release humidity from the device.   This is how it keeps one side dryer than the other side.  I'm not adding components to solve the problem the previous components created as you falsely assert.  I added the oscillatory engine to the moisture mill to increase it's efficiency and power output.  If it's in a humid environment, then components, such as the water reservoir, wet paper towels, and the WarkaWater Tower isn't necessary.  If it's in a dry environment, then the water reservoir, wet paper towels, and the WarkaWater Tower is necessary.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2015, 09:56:14 PM »
In my previous post, I clearly showed how the system can be simplified in a humid environment and how it's easy to maintain two environments (1 humid and 1 dryer).

I must have missed this post could you tell me again how without the use of any external energy source you get the water to the top of the device to flow down and maintain 2 environments 1 humid and 1 dry. 

I'm not adding components to solve the problem the previous components created as you falsely assert.

You appear to have quite a shopping list.

The shutters open and closes as the spores absorb and release humidity from the device. 
The shutters are new. This is new and not part of the invention.

The Warkawater Tower is new. This is new and not part of the invention.

The oscillatory engine  is new. This is new and not part of the invention.

If it's in a humid environment, then components, such as the water reservoir, wet paper towels, and the WarkaWater Tower isn't necessary.
How do you keep one side Humid and one side dry?   If it is a humid environment the spores on both sides would be moist so their is no potential difference between the two sides so the wheel will be in balance and will not turn.   

  If it's in a dry environment, then the water reservoir, wet paper towels, and the WarkaWater Tower is necessary.
So how do you get the water to the top of the reservoir?  How do you keep half dry and half moist.  Is this back to your shutters you need to power to open and close and your "oscillatory engine" 
What is powering these devices?

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2015, 01:25:20 AM »
In my previous post, I clearly showed how the system can be simplified in a humid environment and how it's easy to maintain two environments (1 humid and 1 dryer).

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I must have missed this post could you tell me again how without the use of any external energy source you get the water to the top of the device to flow down and maintain 2 environments 1 humid and 1 dry. 

What's the purpose for the water reservoir and the wet paper towels?  It's to create a humid environment for one half of the wheel.  If the air is naturally humid in a specific environment, then the water reservoir and the wet paper towels isn't necessary for it's proper operation, thus it's not necessary to recycle the evaporated moisture to the water reservoir at the top of the device.  If the air isn't naturally humid, then the water reservoir, wet paper towels, and the WarkaWater Tower can be utilized.  The evaporated water that is released through the shutters will be rising which can be recycled through condensation via the WarkaWater Tower.  If the natural humidity levels change from a dry environment to a humid environment, then the evaporated water escaping through the shutters can be recycled through condensation via the WarkaWater Tower and diverted into a water storage tank instead of the water reservoir for the moisture mill.  If the natural humidity levels change from a humid environment to a dry environment, then the evaporated water escaping through the shutters can be recycled through condensation via the WarkaWater Tower and diverted into the water reservoir of the moisture mill instead of the water storage tank.

The oscillatory engine (video) is based on the same basic operating principals of the spores expanding and contracting as we find in the moisture mill.  Placing an oscillatory engine over one half of the wheel in a naturally humid environment causes that half of the wheel to be dryer than the other half.  As the spores in the oscillatory engines absorbs the humidity from the surrounding air, then the surrounding air on that side will become dryer.  The spores will expand as they absorb the humidity from the surrounding air, which mechanically opens a shutter to allow the spores to evaporate their moisture content into the air above it without any external electrical energy.  As the spores release their moisture content through the shutters, then they will become dryer and contract, which then mechanically closes the shutter.  When the shutters are closed, then the spores of the oscillatory engine will begin to swell and expand again as the spores from the moisture mill release their moisture content on that side of the wheel.  The spores of the oscillatory engine will capture the moisture released from the spores of the moisture mill and vent this moisture through the shutters, which maintains a dryer environment on one half of the wheel.  The process will then repeat itself, and there will be a continuous removal of humidity on one half of the moisture mill without any external electrical energy.

What I'm proposing is a dynamic system that can utilize or not utilize certain components of the system according to the natural humidity levels in which it may be operating in.  Simply diverting the recycled evaporated water that escapes through the shutters to or away from the water reservoir of the moisture mill will determine which components of the system is active or inactive.  It's that simple!

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2015, 01:46:38 AM »
The shutters open and closes as the spores absorb and release humidity from the device.

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The shutters are new. This is new and not part of the invention.

The Warkawater Tower is new. This is new and not part of the invention.

The oscillatory engine  is new. This is new and not part of the invention.

Three additional false assertion by you!  The shutters operate on the same basic operating principals of the moisture mill and is related to the same invention of Sahin.  Once again, the oscillatory engine operates on the same basic operating principals of the moisture mill and is related to the same invention of Sahin.  The WarkaWater Tower is beneficial to Sahin's invention, and it helps to more fully develop his invention.  It's totally irrelevant if it's old or new!  ROFLMAO!!!

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2015, 01:55:16 AM »
Is this back to your shutters you need to power to open and close and your "oscillatory engine" 
What is powering these devices?

You're totally lost.  The spores expanding and contracting as they absorb and release moisture in the surrounding air is what is powering these devices.  Where have you been?  ROFLMAO!!!

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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2015, 02:33:25 AM »
You are making this up as you go along. 

If the system would work without 1) continually filling the top reservoir with water in an open environment  or 2) Using a pump and fan in a closed environment (that you continually say they did not do, but pasted a screen shot of anyway) then why didn't the inventors do this? 

Are you just smarter than the guys who invented it?

How is the environment kept dry that your vents are opening into?

How is the environment kept moist that the vents are opening from ?

Is the water wheel in the Humid environment or the Dry environment? 

How does the water wheel traverse between the two environments Dry and Humid (through the vents) ?

Is the water wheel going through the vents when they are closed ? 

DRAW A PICTURE PLEASE .  THINK IT THROUGH, STOP MAKING THINGS UP AS YOU GO.

So I will ask the same question again HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN 2 ENVIRONMENTS 1 DRY AND AND 1 HUMID WITHOUT AN EXTERNAL POWER SOURCE?

And the pump and air fan once again that was used in the test for your reference in the closed humid environment.
 

 

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