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Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7200 on: September 03, 2016, 03:15:51 AM »

Floyd Sweet said: [...]

Turbo Charged Induction is my definition there!

P.S: Key sentance: "as more current is required by varying loads more feedback magnetomotive forces free more electrons from binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces"
Love it!
 
Here's a question, Chris. Could we envision this idea of feedback magnetomotive forces freeing "electrons" from "binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces" in terms of accessing voltage-dielectricity (separated from amperage-magnetism) through the action within these partnered output coils?

What I am proposing is that these feedback magnetomotive forces cause pure dielectricity (Sweet's "electrons" unbound from "potential magnetic forces") to enter the system from the immediate surrounding area, as required by the load?

I have more I could say in this regard, but would like to see what you think.
Thanks,
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« Reply #7201 on: September 03, 2016, 05:51:31 AM »
Love it!
 
Here's a question, Chris. Could we envision this idea of feedback magnetomotive forces freeing "electrons" from "binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces" in terms of accessing voltage-dielectricity (separated from amperage-magnetism) through the action within these partnered output coils?

What I am proposing is that these feedback magnetomotive forces cause pure dielectricity (Sweet's "electrons" unbound from "potential magnetic forces") to enter the system from the immediate surrounding area, as required by the load?

I have more I could say in this regard, but would like to see what you think.
Thanks,
Bob






Hey Bob - Please set me straight if I go off track.

If I understand your question correctly, I will try to explain. Let me start at the start: We are dealing with two different things. Voltage and Current, although we typically think of them as the same thing, EG: the product of the two being Power, we really do need to think of them as separate things. I know you know this stuff, but let me try to explain:

Quote from: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/voltage

Voltage, also called electromotive force, is a quantitative expression of the potential difference in charge between two points in an electrical field.



Quote from: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/current

Current is a flow of electrical charge carriers, usually electrons or electron-deficient atoms.



As an example, we could visit two different Rivers’, same length and volumes of Water (Potential or Voltage), but flowing at very different rates (Current). Floyd Sweet gives us a clue:


Quote from: Floyd Sweet

The current and potential windings require relatively little power



Two separate windings, one for Voltage, and one for Current. Why would he define each separately in this fashion? Because there is a need to!

The Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field creates a Voltage, this is just a Potential. No Current can flow if the Terminals are open, or not connected to a load.

The Magnetic Field Density (B), itself is directly related to Current and not the change of it. One ampere per meter is equal to: 4𝛑 × 10−3 Oersted.

This is an astounding sentence once comprehended. So, Magnetic Flux is Current, the two, are the same thing, and there is no change in time required for this equivalence, as far as I know anyway. Yet there is for Voltage!!! No Change in Time and there can be no Voltage!!!

Isn’t this astounding!!!

So, dielectric, technically, is the Material where a Potential can be applied, E.G: across the Capacitor Plates. Dielectricity could be thought of as this stored Electricity. So to answer your question, not really.

We are dealing with stored Energy, in the form of Mass Energy Equivalence, but this is not in a Dielectric, it’s in the Quantum Structures we term as Atoms.

The processes we need to incorporate need to pump this Energy from the Quantum Structures, in the Copper Conductors we use. Electromagnetic Induction can be very much more efficient than we have known for so many years, seen in Electric Transformers today.

Induction we see today, is the product of Volts(Potential) and Current (One Amp = 6.24 x 1018 electrons⁄second) – We view Volts as a Potential and not a means of doing “Work”, but Current is considered as a means of doing “Work”!!!

So, Amplifying Current should be our primary goal, and Voltage, being that it is Potential, can be changed easily!!!

However, we measure Electric Power in the product of the two and therefore need the two together. Volts times Amps.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7202 on: September 03, 2016, 06:46:16 AM »
EMJunkie


Can you repeat experiment but in Mhz range ? Is it still the same effect ?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7203 on: September 03, 2016, 07:27:02 AM »
EMJunkie


Can you repeat experiment but in Mhz range ? Is it still the same effect ?


Not sure, never gone than high.

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« Reply #7204 on: September 03, 2016, 07:45:48 AM »
Hi EM-master of Oz  :D

Chris ,
does B field depend from specific resistance of wire conductor/s for some given current density and voltage ?

Or simple - which conductor will make greater B field in simple experiment - copper or steel // both with same diameter and lenght - with same initial conditions current and voltage  // ?

And does near thermodynamic aboslute zero temperature with some given current density there will be present B Filed or not ? And why not or yes ?

Does Biot-Savart’s law is valid near thermodynamic aboslute zero temperatur or not ?
Or simple does B field is wire-geometry dependent and wire-properties dependent ?

You have acquired all necessary equipment in your lab (compass and oscillograph ) to easy proove or disprove some /unknown/ facts.!!

.................................................................................
Chris  I am free to ask you with your own question: If you saw something so amazing, something you had no idea how or why it worked, would you prefer to believe in "Einstain´s and main stream science Black-Magic" or in "Proofs" discovered by you" ?

Before answer or not study this picture  bellow !  :)

wire copper, diameter 0,5 mm.
"Same Current >200 Amps different behaviour !! How it is possible ??"

Best wishes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7205 on: September 05, 2016, 12:13:29 AM »



Hi Enjoykin - There is a lot of Question Markes in there!!!

I am going to throw my hands up and say: "I dont know..."

I am not questioning the work of others, I dont know what others have achieved. It is true that when one see's something, it does open ones eyes. Your experiment looks very interesting.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7206 on: September 05, 2016, 07:47:56 AM »
EmJunkie , I believe if you can repeat experiment with the parameters I've given to you then it's just a matter of antenna with secondary to make it OU  :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7207 on: September 05, 2016, 11:56:15 AM »
EmJunkie , I believe if you can repeat experiment with the parameters I've given to you then it's just a matter of antenna with secondary to make it OU  :)


Hey Forest, By increasing the Voltage, it will be OU. Once in resonance the input is not affected by the draw of current of the Output.

By stepping up the Voltage, accross our Load, and being that its a resonant system, and all input is reactive, then we have a system where it can go ou with some fiddling.

Primary Goal: Get Resonance with no Input to Output Lenz's Law reflective Effects. An isolated System. What I have shown is isolated.

Secondary Goal: Get the voltage to a point where the Voltage x the Current is more than the Input.

This is actually the same as Don Smiths System. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKoAu_X25A

Many ways work, this is just one way.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7208 on: September 06, 2016, 02:07:31 AM »



I would like to share some progress from another forum. I no longer post there, but some good people have been poached, and now post there.

You, will, of course, see there is no difference at all between the circuits he uses and the Circuits I have posted. Wistiti, Thaelin, and I believe Юрий Лиховид, has the exact same circuit, in his Anti-Lenz effect Device which Wistiti invented on: Feb 25, 2015. Partzman has now joined the list of Successes.

Partzman is getting a reported: COP 1.45

Good work Partzman, keep up the good work! Partzman's Work: http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57218#msg57218

Bucking Coils, what a concept!!! Wow who would have thought... Yes, I am being sarcastic and facetious, sorry!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7209 on: September 06, 2016, 03:51:02 AM »


I would like to share some progress from another forum. I no longer post there, but some good people have been poached, and now post there.

You, will, of course, see there is no difference at all between the circuits he uses and the Circuits I have posted. Wistiti, Thaelin, and I believe Юрий Лиховид, has the exact same circuit, in his Anti-Lenz effect Device which Wistiti invented on: Feb 25, 2015. Partzman has now joined the list of Successes.

Partzman is getting a reported: COP 1.45

Good work Partzman, keep up the good work! Partzman's Work: http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57218#msg57218

Bucking Coils, what a concept!!! Wow who would have thought... Yes, I am being sarcastic and facetious, sorry!


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Chris, may I know what should be the capacitance of those caps at the input.leads of the Primary.coil?

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« Reply #7210 on: September 07, 2016, 02:57:04 AM »



Some more progress from Partzman:

Quote from: Partzman http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57241#msg57241

I am surprised that no one has asked for the power measurements off the PM3 core arrangement without any pm bias! So, below are scope shots of measurements without the pms and supporting ferrite parts. As can be seen, the pin = .361w and the pout = .353w for a COP = .98.

The PM3 device is very sensitive to the pm placement on the ferrite supports and any gaps. The next two pairs of scope pix A and B demonstrate this quite well and the measurements are taken from the same circuit as above only with the pms added and adjusted. I'll leave it to the reader to calculate the COPs.

Please note the CH1(yel) to CH2(blu) (input voltage and current) phase differences between each of the test pairs.

pm


I think it is important to note, this sounds very much the same as something we have already covered. Floyd Sweets Early Work, yes you guessed it, I have posted it a million times:

Partzman is getting a COP = 4.249

Well done Partzman!!!

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« Reply #7211 on: September 07, 2016, 10:20:10 PM »



For the readers, Please read: http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg491263/#msg491263

There is some 10 or so posts that you may find interesting if youre following.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7212 on: September 09, 2016, 09:29:36 AM »



Our list of OU Hero's is growing!

Its about time!!!

Not in specific Order, just as I remember them.

   1: Wistiti (POC Toriod)
   2: Thaelin (POC Toriod)
   3: Tinman (Brad) (Rotary Transformer)
   4: Юрий Лиховид (Anti-Lenz effect) Independantly invented the (POC Toriod)
   5: Graham Gunderson (Magnetic Implosion Transformer)
   6: Partzman (POC Transformer)


There is perhaps 12 that have not come forward publically, some that are doing some excellent work, but not prepared to share with the public.

Please remember, we can only do this together, there is nothing gained if we dont share!!! It will be lost again, as it has been in the past!!!

Its now your turn!!!

Three Coils, make em Buck and tune to the optimium point. Partnered Output Coils!!!

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P.S: You would be surprised if I named the names of others that have achieved OU if I mentioned them!!! I trust they will help the cause when they are ready!!!




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7213 on: September 09, 2016, 11:11:17 AM »
I honestly believe a lot of people would be quite surprised to see even One independent verification
of any partnered output coil  self running [POC batteries not included]].

Just one will do !

it has been 1 or 2 years since the resident metrologist fastidiously followed your instructions on your original Free energy claim here and found no such Free energy
actually he found errors in your measurement protocols ,I am not saying that as a slight ..he is after all a trained metrologist and making proper measurement is his field of study and practice.... to the Highest industry standards .

perhaps since you are assisting Magluvin and Forrest you could assist them in reaching this goal ?
and that way someone will actually get to see this Free energy and actually get to see how you measure it ?

and then you can add it to YOUR scoreboard of success's and Life achievements.[which I might add does seem to be posted in a manner which enhances your stance in  your community ??? and seemingly without permission or even qualification
from the persons on the list ??

sincere and hopeful

Chet K




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« Reply #7214 on: September 09, 2016, 12:13:39 PM »
I honestly believe a lot of people would be quite surprised to see even One independent verification
of any partnered coil self running.

Just one will do !

it has been 1 or 2 years since the resident metrologist fastidiously followed your instructions on your original Free energy claim here and found no such Free energy
actually he found errors in your measurement protocols ,I am not saying that as a slight ..he is after all a trained metrologist and making proper measurement is his field of study and practice.... to the Highest industry standards .

perhaps since you are assisting Magluvin and Forrest you could assist them in reaching this goal ?
and that way someone will actually get to see this Free energy and actually get to see how you measure it ?

and then you can add it to YOUR scoreboard of success's and Life achievements.[which I might add does seem to be posted in a manner which enhances your stance in  your community ??? and seemingly without permission or even qualification
from the persons on the list ??

sincere and hopeful

Chet K




Hi Chet - A Fair post, even though I am reading a fair bit of negativity in there.


Lets look at permissions first. Publically posted information is just that, Public, without protection. Copyright can be no good to protect some things in many scenarios, also. Perhaps the reason many people do not post publically?

So, if its public, anyone expecting to not see others make use of it, legally, is kidding themselves.

I dont want to approach this in the wrong way, but really, you have been told twice now by very qualified people: First, from our resident metrologist:

Quote from: TinselKoala http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57155#msg57155

partzman, looking very good there I think.

A couple of comments:

In Spokane1's latest diagrams of the Synchronous Rectifier portion, he has the "dot" end of one secondary connected to the Drain of its mosfet, and the "non-dot" end of the other secondary connected to the Drain of its mosfet.
You have both "dot" ends connected to the drains. 
I get confused about winding sense CW vs CCW, current direction and the "bucking" arrangement, since whether or not fields are bucking depends on the current strength and direction and the winding sense as well as the time it takes to produce the fields and reverse them in the first place.
So I don't know exactly what effects are produced where. But at a first pass, it would seem that Spokane1's arrangement is more like a center tap in a coil that is all wound in one direction, whereas your arrangement is more like a center tapped coil that reverses winding direction at the center tap. In other words, an "EMJunkie" type arrangement. Am I thinking about this secondary winding arrangement correctly? And what is the functional difference in performance between your version and Spokane1's?

And  ... grrr..... you are not exactly consistent with your trace color assignments in your three plots! I spent some time looking at the first one and could see that it agrees pretty closely with the Gunderson shot, with one significant difference. But then when I started looking at the other two I became confused again because some of the trace colors had changed or you plotted different voltage points or something. Maybe I just need more coffee ... or new glasses.....    :o



Also by Brad, one of our OU Hero's:


Quote from: Tinman http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57155#msg57155

Quote from: partzman on 2016-08-31, 02:32:39

It is slow here so I decided to post my progress in simulating a likeness of Graham's device. The attached sim is a model of a real transformer that is fabricated out of ferrite E cores in P material from Magnetics with a .010" gap in all legs. The ur is ~3000 on both E's.

The transformer pix shows that three windings are used but the two outside secondaries are left open in the sim so only the primary is driven. Each winding is 200 turns. I realize that G used U cores but I want to prove that I can accurately simulate a known core/coil arrangement before attempting simulation with additional unknowns.

The primary inductance of the actual transformer measured with a Genrad bridge is 5.1mH. The sim calculation from the plot is 5.17mH. In gyrator-capacitance modeling of inductors, the inductance may be calculated as L = N^2/Peff. Peff is the effective permeance of all core paths (in this case wrt to the middle leg of the core) and N is the number of turns. In this example, Peff = 131e-9 which calculates to 5.23mH. At this point Pleak is a best guess and will probably need adjustment when leakage inductance tests are done.

One may notice that I have used both B and H sources to model the gyrators. The B source is more useful as it's voltage can be determined by any function allowed in LtSpice where the H source is determined only by current. The non-linearity of the primary flux is determined by B1 and it's equation. Basically the voltage across B1 increases exponentially as the voltage drop across P2 increases. One may also notice the added bias to this calculation which I believe will be equivalent to PM bias on any portion of the core.

There is no core loss represented in this example at this point so there is no control over the hysteresis loop. This will be added later using a nonlinear resistance and then a B-H plot can be done and compared to the real transformer.

B sources are used to calculate the core flux and Pin.

pm


PM

How closely do you think this is starting to resemble EMJs partnered output coil setup?,as i am seeing some resemblance here.


Brad




So, I guess my point is, Who's Work is this really? Who is making progress on who's work, really? Please give me some names of others, before me, that made standard practice of using more than one Output Coil in a single System!!!

I bet you can’t get more than one name out!!! It is now standard practice for everyone trying to make progress. So, am I doing the wrong thing? I most certainly do not think so!!!

I gave nothing of the sort!!! This is totally false: "resident metrologist fastidiously followed your instructions on your original Free energy claim" - I can’t believe you of all people would try to imply this!!!

The truth is: Our “resident metrologist” offered not a single measurement at all on the work he did on Stanley Meyer VIC Circuit with my modified Output!!! EVER!!!

I said I had gotten a COP = 1.7 in my very early version of my PDF Document: Guidelines to Bucking Coils.

I gave no Circuit, ever! With this claim!!!

I gave you the Meyer Circuit I had tested, but never once claimed it was Over Unity!!! Ever!!! I claimed Meyer had great successes from it, his famous VIC Circuit, and that, I found it interesting!!! You people jumped into the Fire, a flighty leap, based on complete assumptions!!!

You see, the real problem is today, we have at least SIX other people, that have followed exactly the same, or similar to, ideas I have presented for many more than two years!!! So, my claims have been not only verified and independently replicated once, but SIX Times publically!!!

I did release a Circuit, not the fore mentioned Stanley Meyer VIC Circuit, way back, nearly 18 Months ago. This Circuit can achieve Over Unity with some work. The really funny thing is Chet, that not once, not twice, but FOUR of the SIX people I reference, uses this exact Circuit!!!

Of these two, I suspect one is the same, but I can not prove it, and the other is similar, by achieving the same end result.

Now isn’t that just a real Coincidence!!!

For your convenience, I have posted this very same circuit again, see below:

I understand that many people get frustrated about me not posting the entire thing at once. I am sorry for your frustrations. But there are many very good reasons I am going about this the way I am.

Today, for you to question me, you question everyone that has shown their work!!! Do you question Graham Gunderson, a trained “metrologist”!!!

I have had some small very well-funded groups try to get me to “Give All” and then work for them so I would be “Quiet” – But you see Chet. It’s about every single generation ahead of us… Not Us!

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P.S: I have, today, achieved, many, many more times than COP = 1.7 - So have others!!!

P.P.S: Brad is the only one here that did not need my help. He was there, on the verge of achieving Success before I came along. Brad is a Genius and you should listen and respect him and what he tells you!!!

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