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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 3555539 times)

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2760 on: May 18, 2015, 10:59:11 PM »
Quote from: Drak on May 18, 2015, 10:08:56 PM

300uf and .12mH LC resonant frequency is 839Hz. If you are using 664Hz, doesn't the power get reflected back to the source if not in resonance? Like burning up the finals in your CB radio? 839 is kinda a harmonic of 664 I think. I've been trying to follow this thread for a while, but my head is spinning, lol.


Finally! Someone is paying some attention!

Dark, you're exactly right! So, with the Parallel Resonance, the 300uF cap, 0.12 mH Coil the calculated resonance = Omega = 1/Sqrt(LC)

So: 1/Sqrt(0.00012 * 0.0003) = 5270.462 Radians per/second = 838.820Hz

So how could this Circuit possibly be resonant at 664Hz?

Come on MarkE Show us your Brilliance here!!!
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2761 on: May 18, 2015, 11:39:31 PM »
@All,

We are moving into territory that MarkE is not comfortable with, he can see something that may not be obvious to others and does not want to publically comment of such blasphemous things!!!

MarkE Knows and admitted that Reactive Power:

Quote from: MarkE on May 18, 2015, 10:44:39 AM

Power is reactive in two phase regimes of current through a circuit branch relative to voltage across a circuit branch:  45 degrees to 135 degrees, and 225 degrees to 315 degrees. 

Within the ranges of 315 degrees to 45 degrees and 135 degrees to 225 degrees power is resistive and not reactive. 

The real power in these regimes, which includes your sample exceeds the reactive power.


Now, proving I have a wave with a Phase Shift of 94 Degrees, we hear silence! MarkE has gone, will not be serious and keeps claiming he's being attacked - Hahaha Old Mate  ;)
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2762 on: May 18, 2015, 11:56:07 PM »
A simple video that gives some information on Power: Real Power, Reactive Power and Apparent Power

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU6jtai4wys

Don't be fooled by sentences that blow off your figures, that have no real meaning! There is a ton of information about this on the net.
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MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2763 on: May 18, 2015, 11:57:57 PM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 18, 2015, 10:59:11 PM
Finally! Someone is paying some attention!

Dark, you're exactly right! So, with the Parallel Resonance, the 300uF cap, 0.12 mH Coil the calculated resonance = Omega = 1/Sqrt(LC)

So: 1/Sqrt(0.00012 * 0.0003) = 5270.462 Radians per/second = 838.820Hz

So how could this Circuit possibly be resonant at 664Hz?

Come on MarkE Show us your Brilliance here!!!
Zeta.  Of course you don't know what zeta is.
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2764 on: May 19, 2015, 12:04:22 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on May 18, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
Zeta.  Of course you don't know what zeta is.

Your Post proves?

Your Post Helps?

Zeta is: Damping Factor


Hahaha - Blown out of the Water again MarkE!!
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MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2765 on: May 19, 2015, 12:21:23 AM »
Quote from: Drak on May 18, 2015, 10:08:56 PM
300uf and .12mH LC resonant frequency is 839Hz. If you are using 664Hz, doesn't the power get reflected back to the source if not in resonance? Like burning up the finals in your CB radio? 839 is kinda a harmonic of 664 I think. I've been trying to follow this thread for a while, but my head is spinning, lol.
No, at the resonant frequency the network approximates an open.  Drive your finals into an open and see how well that works.

The reason for the frequency shift is zeta.
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2766 on: May 19, 2015, 12:22:42 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 19, 2015, 12:04:22 AM
Your Post proves?

Your Post Helps?

Zeta is: Damping Factor


Hahaha - Blown out of the Water again MarkE!!

MarkE is now saying, the damping Factor (Zeta) is causing the Resonance shift of: %20.84

I say this is unlikely! I think more is causing this! I think 10% Damping factor might be more likely.

MarkE Plucking straws from Charles Holland Duell Air again???
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picowatt

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2767 on: May 19, 2015, 12:23:28 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 19, 2015, 12:04:22 AM
Your Post proves?

Your Post Helps?

Zeta is: Damping Factor


Hahaha - Blown out of the Water again MarkE!!

EMJ,

How old are you?

PW
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MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2768 on: May 19, 2015, 12:23:39 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 19, 2015, 12:04:22 AM
Your Post proves?

Your Post Helps?

Zeta is: Damping Factor


Hahaha - Blown out of the Water again MarkE!!
It proves that the frequency shift you are so excited about is ordinary and expected.  If you understood zeta's relationship to the frequency you would not be surprised as you claim to be.
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2769 on: May 19, 2015, 12:27:14 AM »
Quote from: picowatt on May 19, 2015, 12:23:28 AM
EMJ,

How old are you?

PW

Picowatt - How helpful are you?

Hahaha - Pull your head in!
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2770 on: May 19, 2015, 12:30:53 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on May 19, 2015, 12:23:39 AM

It proves that the frequency shift you are so excited about is ordinary and expected.  If you understood zeta's relationship to the frequency you would not be surprised as you claim to be.



But still does not explain the 94 Degree phase shift!

Would you like to explain what this means to the Masses MarkE?

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picowatt

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2771 on: May 19, 2015, 12:36:35 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 19, 2015, 12:27:14 AM
Picowatt - How helpful are you?

Hahaha - Pull your head in!

I just caught up reading a bit of this thread from last night.

I didn't mean to go off topic, I just thought your answer might help explain your "attitude".

Carry on...

PW
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TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2772 on: May 19, 2015, 12:41:23 AM »
Have you taken into consideration that your El Cheepo Current Probe likely has a significant propagation delay? Do you understand what probe skew is? Do you know the magnitude of your Current Probe's delay, and how it would affect a phase determination when compared with the signal from an ordinary passive voltage probe?

Have you bothered to compare the difference between what your Current Probe reads, and what a plain passive voltage probe across a current-viewing resistor reads in the same circuit simultaneously?

I would be happy to answer these questions for you, but I can't find any Current Probes like you are using at my favorite thrift stores, garage sales or back-alley garbage can prowls. I can tell you, however, that the Probe Skew issue has come up before, fooling people into investing millions of dollars in nonsense schemes, and even real, quality, three thousand dollar current probes have significant delays that must be corrected for if accuracy in measurement is desired.

For example:
http://www.newark.com/pdfs/techarticles/tektronix/Probing_power_measuremets.pdf
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2773 on: May 19, 2015, 12:44:29 AM »
Quote from: picowatt on May 19, 2015, 12:36:35 AM
I just caught up reading a bit of this thread from last night.

I didn't mean to go off topic, I just thought your answer might help explain your "attitude".

Carry on...

PW

In my defence: "To play with Children that think they are Adults, one must play like a Child"

Yes, much of this thread has been hijacked by people that were asked to leave early on, they didn't, but that's why the Internet has such a term: "Trolls"

Feel free to join serious discussion and be helpful!!!

   EMJ
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2774 on: May 19, 2015, 12:55:16 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 19, 2015, 12:41:23 AM
Have you taken into consideration that your El Cheepo Current Probe likely has a significant propagation delay? Do you understand what probe skew is? Do you know the magnitude of your Current Probe's delay, and how it would affect a phase determination when compared with the signal from an ordinary passive voltage probe?

Have you bothered to compare the difference between what your Current Probe reads, and what a plain passive voltage probe across a current-viewing resistor reads in the same circuit simultaneously?

I would be happy to answer these questions for you, but I can't find any Current Probes like you are using at my favorite thrift stores, garage sales or back-alley garbage can prowls. I can tell you, however, that the Probe Skew issue has come up before, fooling people into investing millions of dollars in nonsense schemes, and even real, quality, three thousand dollar current probes have significant delays that must be corrected for if accuracy in measurement is desired.

For example:
http://www.newark.com/pdfs/techarticles/tektronix/Probing_power_measuremets.pdf

TK, most importantly: I want NO Investment!!! I do not want any money from anyone! I don't want anything from anyone...

Maybe something I would like, is for proper investigation by all interested into Devices that show totally unexpected results!

E-Bay has a ton of the same probe's that I have. The reviews are very good to be honest!

Really, TK, what's the absolute Error margin: +- 1%

So your Post is really not much use to us, it is just attempting to put doubt into the minds of others that do not wish to do the research!!! Which is a very sad way to approach Real Science!!!

Please don't forget, I have an output, that is over and above this current topic!

Propagation Delay at 664Hz would be?

Hahaha TK, you're doing the same as MarkE has done, Plucking straws from the Charles Holand Duell's Air!


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