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SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1215 on: February 24, 2015, 10:56:38 PM »
Quote from: Sa-r-Ke-i-Zzzzzz-En
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Vaccines and other drugs are prevention.
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There is Truth in that statement.

In order to fully reveal that Truth and also the
Lie that it serves to conceal it is necessary to
discover what is being 'prevented.'

The Love of Money has effectively excised the
good intentions from the whole program of
Medicine and Vaccinations.  Top Down pressure.

The Love of Money has made most Americans slaves.


Those who Love Money the Most will step on those
who dare to reveal their 'secrets.'


The Whole World is suffering corruption at the hands
of those who Love Money.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1216 on: February 24, 2015, 11:07:18 PM »
The Love of Money has effectively excised the good intentions from the whole program of Medicine and Vaccinations.
Again math, as usual says you're an idiot.  People have their lives saved by medicine every day.  In fact people do studies on the overall effectiveness of medicine and we compile stats on particular therapies and outcomes.   It's actually pretty difficult to find a common practice where the NNTH is close to the NNTT.

But again, this requires knowing something about what you're talking about.  Something you don't seem too concerned with. :)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1217 on: February 25, 2015, 03:29:36 AM »
Millions of people have died from malaria over the years in many different countries.  This did not used to be so.  Why?  Because of a book called "Silent Spring' which touted all of the horrible dangers of DDT.  So, DDT was banned all around the world and...now millions have died...deaths that were preventable.  How many folks have died from exposure to DDT?  None have ever been officially recorded.  Not one.

This makes no sense but clearly demonstrates how an ignorant over reaction can have a real and devastating effect.  There were no studies on DDT prior to banning.  Had this been done, it would have been clear that the risk to humans from mosquito bites was far, far more dangerous than exposure to DDT.

They used to spray it in my hometown in summers via a truck, we kids would ride our bikes through the cool looking "fog".  I am still here.  Millions that have died from malaria are not.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1218 on: February 25, 2015, 03:48:31 AM »
Millions of people have died from malaria over the years in many different countries.  This did not used to be so.  Why?  Because of a book called "Silent Spring' which touted all of the horrible dangers of DDT.  So, DDT was banned all around the world and...now millions have died...deaths that were preventable.  How many folks have died from exposure to DDT?  None have ever been officially recorded.  Not one.

This makes no sense but clearly demonstrates how an ignorant over reaction can have a real and devastating effect.  There were no studies on DDT prior to banning.  Had this been done, it would have been clear that the risk to humans from mosquito bites was far, far more dangerous than exposure to DDT.

They used to spray it in my hometown in summers via a truck, we kids would ride our bikes through the cool looking "fog".  I am still here.  Millions that have died from malaria are not.

Bill
I'm not an expert on this but my understanding is similar.  DDT as having endochrine distruptor characteristics is probably like BHA in terms of toxicity.  However back in the day the average persons exposure to DDT was probably several orders of magnitude of the average persons exposure to BHA.  It also bioaccumulates so I can understand some caution.  AFAIK what it is banned for is agricultural use and is still used (or at least was when I was in Africa) for controlling disease.   Which probably makes it more effective.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1219 on: February 25, 2015, 04:40:11 AM »
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=111551

This is a big issue that a lot of people are not aware of or have just thrown in the towel and have learned to just take it and not make a peep.

One of the things that I have noticed regarding my passion for understanding our beautiful earth is that workers are treated like donkeys. From the top level even from the bottom level.

Thankfully I have never experienced this myself due to the fact that I can pretty much maintain a job due to the ability to learn the job easy. I honestly felt guilty when one of my bosses fired an older guy that was way over his forties (I was just in my early 20's) that had been there working over 6-7 years and I just did the job because I did not find it hard to be honest. I felt bad when he was let go (I knew i was his replacement) and the other workers where trying to say that I was kissing ass to the boss which I wasn't. The cold truth is that not knowing what to do at your job (or one that has been slacking for years) will get replaced by the one that makes the company a greater profit no questions asked.

But yeah, most of todays life is just people taking advantage of people. That even happens in family matters where one poor excuse of a person that cannot hold a job kills the other that has a one million dollar life insurance. Actually, money is a disease that needs to get cured.

But there is no cure for it to be honest. The best cure is to keep those young ones smart. Teach them how to fix their own car, their own TV, their own HVAC, their own computer, their own everything....it's not really that hard to due because the human brain calculates millions of things a second.

Anyone can learn to fix anything in their house or understand anything at work. That is 100% facts! The only thing that is 100% wrong is that all businesses want to keep the consumers stupid since being stupid is what makes them more money than if you are the intelligent type.

Money makes the world go round. And money corrupts the mind.

I read the history of money a while back and my eyes where opened wide big. There is a PDF book on the internet regarding the corruption of money and shows how the bankers can print one dollar bills and 100 dollars bills by just paying cents. They only pay the cent to the paper, ink, etc...while the profit is obvious of course...who would not print 100 bills for cents?

There is a law that allows people to print their own money if they want to but the printers of their currency are strictly monitored. They are not going to get rich nor could use their currency to buy outside their town/city.

This money corruption gets engraved in to people that a lot of them get sidetracked from truth. The big example that you can probably understand is the fued with nicola tesla and jp morgan. Also Andrew Carnegie with his historic incident that was forcing workers to work over time.

Etc.

Now all of this historic greed mentality still effects the minds of people today. Even in the medicine . For example, HPV Vaccines here that cause the leading throat cancer due to being sexually transmitted, cost $600 dollars each.

Another simple example, My brother was in a car accident where his car rolled over and he was charged $800 dollars for anesthesia alone. Plus the ambulance ride to the hospital which was a thousand something dollars. Plus staples that he had to have in his head...etc...

If I'm not even mistaken, parents pay $3000 USD to give childbirth in the hospital.

SO:

$600 for a HPV vaccine for girls. (which I believe there are three to be had for the major strains)
$800 for anesthesia. (numbing drug so you don't feel the pain)
$3000 so your wife gives birth in the hospital not counting is there is an ambulance ride nor if there is anesthesia.

Look at all the money coming in their fat pockets. And these are few examples that I personally know of. Lol.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1220 on: February 25, 2015, 05:15:48 AM »
As usual you're full of kind of random nonsense...
For example, HPV Vaccines here that cause the leading throat cancer due to being sexually transmitted, cost $600 dollars each.
Cervarix has shown some significant ability to prevent (which is why vaccines are preventative) oral HPV infections which could lead to throat cancer.  Which is in addition to protection against cervical cancer.  The cost of Cervarix varies but it's around $134 per dose - unless you're in Canada (and perhaps other single payer economies) where it's $90.  That's $270 to prevent a disease that would cost either you, your insurer or your economy between $3000 and $45,000 to treat.
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$800 for anesthesia. (numbing drug so you don't feel the pain)
That's analgesia.  Anesthesia is about sensation or in the case of general anesthesia it's about keeping you unconscious.  The point is to allow doctors to perform another procedure with a higher chance of success and lower probability of injury.  Anesthesia is expensive because it has a narrow therapeutic range and serious consequences if not done properly.  The insurance an anesthesiologist needs to have can cost between $4000 and $54000 per year.
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Look at all the money coming in their fat pockets.
Wah wah wah wah wah.  Joel could you take your whining somewhere else.  Sure doctors aren't poor but they also have costs that are beyond the means of many people as well.  You could just as easily complain about plumbers or electricians or any other professional occupation.

Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1221 on: February 25, 2015, 07:11:07 AM »
Wakefield is not a fraud - His study linking MMR vaccine to autism vindicatedLearn more:  http://www.naturalnews.com/048753_Wakefield_study_MMR_vaccine_autism.html#ixzz3Sjb7FEzT



If vaccines work so well, then why does the science have to be FAKED?Learn more:  http://www.naturalnews.com/048758_vaccine_dangers_fake_science_chemical_medicine.html#ixzz3SjbCGzPW



Oregon state senator Elizabeth Steiner Hayward calls for government to physically violate children by force with vaccine mandate echoing Nazi crimes against humanityLearn more:  http://www.naturalnews.com/048760_Elizabeth_Steiner_Hayward_vaccine_mandate_Oregon_government.html#ixzz3SjbHXaap


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1222 on: February 25, 2015, 07:28:20 AM »
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Cervarix has shown some significant ability to prevent (which is why vaccines are preventative) oral HPV infections which could lead to throat cancer.  Which is in addition to protection against cervical cancer.  The cost of Cervarix varies but it's around $134 per dose - unless you're in Canada (and perhaps other single payer economies) where it's $90.  That's $270 to prevent a disease that would cost either you, your insurer or your economy between $3000 and $45,000 to treat.

lol Cervarix. Did that word come from term cervix which is the opening of the females uterus? Lol 

Due to the contrary beliefs females are very very promiscuous. That is why they would require to get HPV vaccinated first and the reason that most females get throat cancer is because they give “head” where the virus would focus on the throat. Lol

But HPV does not discriminate and would also infect males. BUT, like I've said it before and I'LL said it again, PREVENTION IS ALWAYS THE CURE RATHER THAN THE MEDICINE.

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That's analgesia.  Anesthesia is about sensation or in the case of general anesthesia it's about keeping you unconscious.  The point is to allow doctors to perform another procedure with a higher chance of success and lower probability of injury.  Anesthesia is expensive because it has a narrow therapeutic range and serious consequences if not done properly.  The insurance an anesthesiologist needs to have can cost between $4000 and $54000 per year.

NO matter what the name is, you pay BIG money so you can't feel the  pain (you will still feel it the upcoming days). My brother was more worried about dying than the pain WHILE THE HOSPITAL WAS MORE FOCUSING ON EMTYING HIS POCKETS/WALLET! My brother was in the verge of dying and the doctor asked him while his face was bleeding and him worrying about dying “sir, do you want anesthesia or no? If you do, $800 would be added to your bill." While my brother was in tears and blood dripping from his head. True facts! Hospitals treat people like farm animals. I hope you never need to step inside a hospital as a patient.

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Joel could you take your whining somewhere else.  Sure doctors aren't poor but they also have costs that are beyond the means of many people as well.  You could just as easily complain about plumbers or electricians or any other professional occupation.

It is pretty obvious that you are bias towards all medical endeavors. You will just turn a blind eye so the only way for you to learn is when you actually get cancer yourself and have to deal with all of the suffering of it all.

You will eventually see it when one of your parents goes through it or one of your of springs too. It's inevitable in the way of greed. Millions don't cure viruses! How can one million dollar cure a simple flu virus strain?

I'm young, I'm healthy for the most part so i'm not whining for my health. I'm just speaking about how I cannot picture myself operating on a human and NOT OPERATE ON A HVAC motor the same. Doctors have it easy because the human body heals itself. The doctor is only helping the IMMUNITY OF THE BODY. The doctor is not a miracle worker.

I'm not whining at all. Heck, I should enter the medical field myself and get my pockets fat. Which I should also enter in the oil field too. Money money money sweet money. Give me money sark I need money to live a healthy life.

Sark, how much money can you give me?

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1223 on: February 25, 2015, 04:31:12 PM »
Due to the contrary beliefs females are very very promiscuous.
No, due to the prevalence of the virus in women.
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But HPV does not discriminate and would also infect males.
It will but as males do not get cervical cancer and most of the data we have about other sequlae is for females and we only know that the vaccine prevents HPV-16 (and 18) and that HPV-16 is correlated with throat cancer.  So vaccinating males is an open question.
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PREVENTION IS ALWAYS THE CURE RATHER THAN THE MEDICINE
Yawn.  As vaccines are preventative measures I'll take this to mean you support universal HPV vaccination. :)
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NO matter what the name is, you pay BIG money so you can't feel the  pain
It depends on a number of things.  Most of the time anesthetic is used to keep people from interfering with a procedure.
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My brother was more worried about dying than the pain WHILE THE HOSPITAL WAS MORE FOCUSING ON EMTYING HIS POCKETS/WALLET! My brother was in the verge of dying and the doctor asked him while his face was bleeding and him worrying about dying “sir, do you want anesthesia or no? If you do, $800 would be added to your bill." While my brother was in tears and blood dripping from his head. True facts! Hospitals treat people like farm animals.
So people usually ask farm animals "Would you like pain medication?" - Is that what you do?  Talk to farm animals?  Do they talk back?
If we're assuming that anesthetic was not medically necessary then giving someone a choice for something that isn't necessary for a procedure is exactly  the opposite of how you treat farm animals.  You don't give them a choice.  Even if they had not given him a choice depending on the details of the case it may well be in the patients best interest.
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I hope you never need to step inside a hospital as a patient.
I have, and have had no complaints.  Maybe that's because stupid people like you are microchipped at birth and the shadowgovernment issues scanners to medical personnel which allows them to make sure they get the worst treatment...or you're just wrong?
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It is pretty obvious that you are bias towards all medical endeavors.
Dude, all you provided was a cost for a few procedures.  Your numbers were considerably off in at least one case.  Then without knowing the procedures done, the cost in equipment and facilities I'm supposed to conclude that this is all about greed. Are you really that clueless about how businesses are run?  So that's why you just sound like an enormous whiner.
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Doctors have it easy because the human body heals itself.
LOL - so we can just shut down all the ICU's - throw the people on the street and say "don't worry you'll just get better".  You have to be pretty stupid to think that.
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I'm not whining at all.
You sure are, all you gave was the (wrong!) price of some procedures, no information about material costs and facilities.  All it was was sour grapes.
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Heck, I should enter the medical field myself and get my pockets fat.
Yes that would be amusing to see you try and pass the medical board exams with "viruses eat other viruses" or "viruses have an immune system".  I would definitely pay money to see that.
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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1224 on: February 25, 2015, 04:57:16 PM »
Wakefield is not a fraud - His study linking MMR vaccine to autism vindicatedLearn more:  http://www.naturalnews.com/048753_Wakefield_study_MMR_vaccine_autism.html#ixzz3Sjb7FEzT
Only someone who didn't read or understand either Wakefield or DeStefano et. al. could write something like that.  I can explain but I doubt you're interested. :)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1225 on: February 26, 2015, 02:05:09 AM »
The most read article at Natural News today.... ;)


Gardasil: The decision we will always regrethttp://www.naturalnews.com/048745_Gardasil_vaccine_injury_Big_Pharma.html


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1226 on: February 26, 2015, 02:11:03 AM »

That is why they would require to get HPV vaccinated first and the reason that most females get throat cancer is because they give “head” where the virus would focus on the throat. Lol



Do you have the phone numbers for these females?  I am just curious...it's not like I was going to call them or anything.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1227 on: February 26, 2015, 02:38:39 AM »
Gardasil: The decision we will always regrethttp://www.naturalnews.com/048745_Gardasil_vaccine_injury_Big_Pharma.html
There are more than a few problems with that article.  I'd be happy to point them out but you're not really interested are you?   All you seem to want is something that is parallel to your pre-existing beliefs.  Nothing to make you think too hard.


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1229 on: February 26, 2015, 02:57:27 AM »
A Heartwarming Story of True Love

Mind Control through Cognitive Dissonance

Back to felating your usual haunts eh?

That image was pretty awesome in it's artlessness.  The word "MANDATORY" on the sleeve.  Because everyone who is in any kind of enforcement puts verbs on their cuffs.  It's a shame there isn't a local art contest for propaganda.  This might have a shot in the poster division.