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Author Topic: Vaccinations; recent developments  (Read 498770 times)

Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1200 on: February 23, 2015, 06:18:21 PM »
Any reason they don't link to the actual image sources?  I mean why would they try so hard to avoid giving you some context?  Anti-vaccine people always seem to want you to take immense leaps of faith.  Most of the pictures seem to be some form of severe eczema which is at least a possible vaccine reaction.  If it is, it's a) exceptionally rare and b) usually self-resolves.  The HPV reference is nonsense and the line about: " CDC officials, media newscasters and U.S. lawmakers claim all these photos do not exist" indicates the amount of carelessness used in assembling the article.

Lol. This from the 'know it all'.  Ever think to look in the description of the video on YT????  Long list. The last 3 posts from me are from that list of sources. Of course, no reply from you on the CDC link post. ::) ::)

HPV.  You ever seen the teen pregnancy rates in the US in the last couple years?  Down in all 50 states. What, you think teens are just not that interested in having  these days? ::) ::) In all 50 states???

Its about population reduction. Even Bill gates is involved in that.  You go look that up yourself. If you find only links to the contrary, Ill do the easy work for you then. ::) ;)

From now on, maybe you had better put up 'your' links to sources for what you say, instead of throwing that blame around on others. :P

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sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1201 on: February 23, 2015, 06:45:04 PM »
Lol. This from the 'know it all'.  Ever think to look in the description of the video on YT????
The article provided no sources for the images.  If someone put them somewhere else that still doesn't put them in the article.  It also doesn't make up for how poorly researched the article was when it implies that the CDC denies these pictures exist. :)
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Of course, no reply from you on the CDC link post.
The post with a list of ingredients?   What did you want to say about that?
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You ever seen the teen pregnancy rates in the US in the last couple years?  Down in all 50 states. What, you think teens are just not that interested in having  these days? ::) ::) In all 50 states???
Actually live births per 1000 show rapid decline from 1991to 2005 followed by a slow decline.  So I'm not sure what your particular idiot idea is but if you're saying that HPV vaccination is somehow sterilizing teens then clearly it's not nearly as good as whatever was being used before the introduction of HPV.  So if depopulation is their game they aren't very good at it.
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From now on, maybe you had better put up 'your' links to sources for what you say
As ever if you want a SPECIFIC reference I'm more than happy to oblige.  Just say: "You said X. Can I see a reference for X".  As long as X is a specific thing it works like magic. :)
« Last Edit: February 23, 2015, 11:38:34 PM by sarkeizen »

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1202 on: February 23, 2015, 10:25:45 PM »
Quote from: Sar-Ke-I-Zzzzzz-En
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That question still remains:  Is your discernment entirely useless at finding if there is a relationship between two variables?  Again all you have to do is say yes or no or that you don't know.  It has to be one of those three. Perhaps you know that your answer kind of kills your argument?  No?  If not, why not answer?

The answer - in case you missed it:

Your Desperate Proposal is merely an effort to
engage in Desperate Games in a purely Desperate
Attempt
to bolster your Desperately Bruised Ego. ::) ??? :-[

Desperately Useless.  You're struggling Desperately
to create an image of knowledgeable intellect and
are failing Miserably. :o ::) ???

It is looking more and more like your Mush-Mind
is indeed a Terminal Condition.  Absolutely no hope of
escape from your Desperate State of Mush-Mind. ::) :o :(

How very sad... :( ??? ::)

Sarkey, you must simply face the fact that you're a loser. :o 8) :-*

Desperately so. :) ;D ;)

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1203 on: February 23, 2015, 10:59:36 PM »
The answer - in case you missed it:
See, you're wrong. The question I'm asking is clear and highly relevant to the topic at hand.  It only can be answered in one of three ways, so until you choose one of those - you have not answered it. :)
So please answer if your discernment is useless at finding a relationship between two (or more) variables.  Just a yes, no or I don't know will do.  :)

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Your Desperate Proposal is merely an effort to
engage in Desperate Games in a purely Desperate
Attempt
to bolster your Desperately Bruised Ego. ::) ??? :-[

Desperately Useless.  You're struggling Desperately
to create an image of knowledgeable intellect and
are failing Miserably. :o ::) ???
Could you use the word "desperate" a few more times in your next post?  LOL.

Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1204 on: February 23, 2015, 11:53:32 PM »
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SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1205 on: February 23, 2015, 11:57:59 PM »
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So please answer if your discernment is useless at finding a relationship between two (or more) variables.  Just a yes, no or I don't know will do.  :)
...

Discernment, as you already know, develops
its powers of 'vision' through life experiences.
Wisdom grows as discernment becomes refined
in its ability to detect the Lie which obscures Truth.
To uncover the gems of Truth which those deceived
by the Lie are not able to comprehend.

Thinking that Discernment can be evaluated by
means of a competitive game is a prime example
of the Folly of the Wisdom of Man as it is taught in
numerous Institutions of The Establishment.

True Discernment, which is not attached to the Lie,
comes from a Source which is not the Same Source
as the Lie itself.  Good vs. Evil.

Your sense of Desperation originates from the same
Source as the Source of the Lie.  You cannot rest
until you've proven to yourself that you are in some
way Superior to others; that your Cleverness is better
than theirs; that your Beliefs are the only right beliefs;
that your Idol of Worship is more powerful than any
other.

Aye, it is very sad indeed to see how Desperation leads
one to pursue the Comfort in the Lie.

The day will come, perhaps soon, where you will realize
that not all is well within the Matrix which presently feeds
your desires.  Then you'll have to make a very difficult
choice;  whether to continue on the present path or to
wander off in the direction of Truth.

A Deceived Mind is a terrible thing to behold.


sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1206 on: February 24, 2015, 12:01:15 AM »
Who needs facts?
Not you apparently. :)

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1207 on: February 24, 2015, 12:32:01 AM »
Discernment, as you already know, develops its powers of 'vision' through life experiences. Wisdom grows as discernment becomes refined in its ability to detect the Lie which obscures Truth.
Seems like you say you can differentiate.  If someone gives you a bunch of datasets and labels them related, non-related.   Then either the label is correct or it's a lie.

...but I'm sure you have some excuse ready.  So let's hear what makes your discernment so useless. :)

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Your sense of Desperation
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Aye, it is very sad indeed to see how Desperation
Only a 2 on the "SeaMonkey is desperate scale".  Disappointing. :)

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1208 on: February 24, 2015, 02:35:06 AM »
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Then either the label is correct or it's a lie.
...

That is for You to decide to your own Satisfaction.

All should be free to make such choices in accordance
with their level of understanding.  If errors are made
then potential consequences may provide correction.

Such is life in a Free society.  Where none strive to
control the lives or the thinking of any others.

Sa-R-Key,

Why the obsession for control over others?

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1209 on: February 24, 2015, 02:49:28 AM »
But you see you said...
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Mind of Mush is not able to distinguish the Truth from the Lie
I think it's well within the critical thinking that you used to champion (until I cornered you into to going all dimes-store mystic) that you examine your abilities.  So now that you've confirmed that your discernment works in these cases.  It will be simple to set up the test...

Shall I post the datasets tomorrow?

joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1210 on: February 24, 2015, 07:11:40 AM »
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So in Africa there are protozoa which are resistant or partially resistant to an very specific anti-microbial called artemisinin.  If these parasites migrate to India we can expect a lot more deaths than in Africa because in Africa so many people have died of the disease there has been a selective pressure on people to develop some greater ability to survive the disease.  This "immunity" (not a very precise word) is in the form of an allele which causes other kinds of illness and death but short-term disease resistance.

Artemisinin is extracted from a plant to be used as a medicine for malaria from what I have read. From the article, south east Asia malaria is on the verge to mutate to become immune to artenisinin (only known vacine that can fight it in 2015). While in Africa, even though people still get sick, there are MORE positive results due to the human body immune system learning to cope with the virus with vaccination along with human  immunity. IOW, higher success rate due to human immune system fighting the virus along with the vaccination!

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While this has very little to do with vaccination being effective and safe compared to being unvaccinated. You seem to want to stretch the analogy.  It's probably just as good a warning against remaining unvaccinated as anything else.  In this case you have a group of people dying - because Joel says so - and over time this selects for disease resistance however that resistance is a trade off making the population MORE SUSCEPTIBLE to longer term illness.

All I have being saying is that prevention is the ONLY KEY/CURE! You kind of believe that ignoring the prevention is NOTHING and vaccinations is the EVERYTHING. Which I kind of find as stupid. = The key to any cure is to get sick in the first place and then cure it with medicine?

The only purpose of vaccinations exist is as a last resort. The 100% cure to the known virus is prevention! NOT, getting cured after getting sick. That would be like teaching people, “i don't care if I crash cus I have insurance”.

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Also you still seem confused that vaccines are preventative measures.

You are stuck that vaccines ere the 100% cure! When it is 100% wrong. You are killing people by spreading that ideology. Viruses that get in to the body will never leave. Even with a vaccine...the immunity will only bitch slap it sort to speak. The carrier, even thought immune, will always carry the virus and will spread it around to others that their immune system have not fought the virus successfully.

Are you not smart enough to understand such simple things AND NOT ONLY THAT, a virus will mutate and the vaccine will become useless once the virus mutates in the future.

Prevention is the key not drugs.

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1211 on: February 24, 2015, 07:35:58 AM »
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Shall I post the datasets tomorrow?

As is always the case, you may do as you please.

Whether or not anyone takes note of what you
do is an entirely different matter.

Games intended to create an air of Superiority
for the advocate who exhibits symptoms of
Inferiority are generally not well received by
Adult audiences.

Let your Desperation be your Guide.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1212 on: February 24, 2015, 01:10:15 PM »
Games intended to create an air of Superiority
It's simply not a game.  It's exactly what you would do when you judge any piece of data
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Let your Desperation be your Guide.
Only scoring a 1 on the "SeaMonkey is desperate" scale.  You really should try harder.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1213 on: February 24, 2015, 03:11:45 PM »
...and the affectation drops even more.
From the article, south east Asia malaria is on the verge to mutate
Let's see if I can phrase some of your text better: The article does not say "verge to mutate" anywhere.  Please say "from the article" when you are using a text from the article :). Malaria is an infection by a protozoa.  There is already a variant which is resistant to artemisinin which is not a vaccine - it's a very specific anti-microbial and should only be used in conjunction with other therapies.  This resistance is not in Africa it's primarily in Cambodia.  However it has been detected in Myanmar - which is very close to India which is of high concern because of it's population density (421/sqkm).    Normally the medical conversation about artemisinin resistance centers around Africa because when drugs like chlorquinine became less useful - lots of people died in Africa.  This paper contends that India is a bigger risk than Africa because of a human allele which confers disease resistance.  However that is at the cost of being more likely to get sick later and that current attempts to contain resistant protozoa are not sufficient.  Artemisinin isn't the only drug but it is the more effective and most well-tolerated.

So this is not "human body is doing better than drugs in Africa".  African people are still being treated with artemisinin (and hopefully in concert with other drugs).  It's about being able to maintain a population density.  If you stop people taking artemisinin people will die at a higher rate lowering the overall population.  Eventually this will cause people to have less contact the r0 of the disease drops.  In concert with this will be anything nature can do to confer resistance - that is select for people who are more likely to be immune but that's by killing people who are not likely.   
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All I have being saying
Dude you go off topic more than anyone I've ever met.  Hence you lose the right to say "all I have been saying".
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is that prevention is the ONLY KEY/CURE!
Having spent some time in Africa in malaria affect I can tell you that people do use preventive methods - in fact for non-natives the most common preventative action is to take drugs.  For natives it's neither feasible to take the same medication that visitors do neither can they spend the whole day in a spacesuit.  The current infection rate is the result of prevention being insufficient to maintain the population :)
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You kind of believe that ignoring the prevention is NOTHING and vaccinations is the EVERYTHING.
Something I've never said.  Even though you have stupidly claimed it many times. 
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The only purpose of vaccinations exist is as a last resort.
Again as we learned in the recent ebola outbreak preventative measures are insufficient even when people are well equipped, highly-educated and have a lot to lose.  Most vaccines reduce the r0 by more than half.  Hence most vaccines are superior to preventative measures. 
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The 100% cure to the known virus is prevention!
...and earlier you said that no preventative measure is 100% so you have contradicted yourself.  Congratulations.
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You are stuck that vaccines ere the 100% cure! When it is 100% wrong.
They're not the cure, they are prevention and they harm almost nobody.  All evidence suggests that your way would create more corpses.  If that's what you want.  That's your business. :)
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Viruses that get in to the body will never leave.
Not true.  A virus that can not replicate eventually discorporates.
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The carrier, even thought immune, will always carry the virus and will spread it around to others that their immune system have not fought the virus successfully.
Nope.  Serology of someone who has been infected tends only to show antigens.  If viruses exist they eventually die and you don't shed them because they can't replicate.   
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a virus will mutate and the vaccine will become useless once the virus mutates in the future.
Primary method of mutation is replication error.  People who use Joel methods will likely replicate more viruses and therefore Joel methods create more mutations.
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Prevention is the key not drugs.
Vaccines and other drugs are prevention. Let me know when you figure this out.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1214 on: February 24, 2015, 07:50:47 PM »
Actual vaccine news....sort of gene therapy to produce proteins which will coat most types if HIV virus.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150218073059.htm